Bill should be ripping himself while he's at it. He chose to put Gronk in on the final play of the game instead of a safety, when everybody on the team but him knew that Ryan fukking Tannehill couldn't throw the ball 70+ yards.
Also, not everyone played poorly. Gronk (although he isn't his old self), Edelman and Gordon had great games. Brady did too, overall (minus one rare mental mistake). In spite of a bit of weak playcalling AGAIN on offense (McDaniels kept going to the sweep run to the outside on 3rd down, which never works), the offense looks really good, overall. Special teams looked great. The run defense and the defense on the final play of the game was the drizzling shiots.
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Yes, you're over reacting IMO. We've proven we can win against good teams. We've beaten: Chiefs, @Bears, Vikings, Texans and we handily beat the Dolphins at home, further proving that we just suck in Miami. I was never expecting that we win #1 seed because I didn't think the Chiefs were going to lose, that's why I said nothing has changed.
You're acting like other teams are playing great defense and not making mistakes which is simply not true. And the whole NFC vs AFC comparison doesn't prove we aren't better than any NFC team. We went into Chicago and beat the Bears and the Bears just beat the Rams. I've watched a lot of exciting, high scoring games with NFC teams, but that isn't how games go down against us.
I still think we will get the #2 seed and if we go to KC for the AFC Championship, that we have a chance to beat them.New England Patriot
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I think what Hogan means is that historically we have a bad reputation on the road in the play-offs.
Just a statistical constatation, but it has some truth in it. That's what home field advantage can do for you.
The only point in which you two differ is:
- Hogan assumed KC would get lose one time more tha nus, which is why we had to win at least in Miami to get home field advantage in the AFC game (since we beat KC);
- you assumed KC wouldn't lose any more (at least not more than us), meaning we would [i]always[i] play in KC (even if we won in Miami).
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Interesting stat:
Since Tom Brady got Julian Edelman back in Week 5 he's been the same guy he was last season during his MVP campaign:
2017: 66.3% completion, 286 ypg, TD-INT ratio 4.0, PFF Grade 92.9
2018: 66.1% completion, 309 ypg, TD-INT ratio 3.5, PFF Grade 91.9New England Patriot
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My scenario is still looking good.
The Pats have a rough start to the season. They start to win more games. They may drop a few games but they finish 11-5. They don't have a 1st round bye or home field advantage. They limp through the playoffs and make it to the SB to play the Rams who seem unstoppable and have a potent offense and a really good defense. Wild Bill finds a way to neutralize both and squeak by for the SB win. Brady wins his 6th against the team that he won his first. Him and Bill retire and ride off into the sunset.
Then the Pats fall back into mediocrity and younger fans will have to deal with a poor Pats team that misses the playoffs."Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer." - Arnold
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This team gives me the feeling of the 2010 team. That team got bounced early from the playoffs.
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Darn, missed a good portion of the game. What happened with our offense? Stat wise doesn't look like Brady did terrible, but 3/10 on first down doesn't help. Gronk was essentially shut down. Defense only gave up 17 to Big Ben, AB and Juju which doesn't seem like a bad day.
Nice that Miami lost so these next two games don't matter other than as a way to figure out chit out.New England Patriot
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This game is 100% on the offense. Props to the defense. Shocked Bill didn't put Gilmore on JuJu and double AB84 but the plan basically worked.
Brady is lacking his usual intensity.
Gronk is a shell of himself, looks hurt, slow, and disinterested.
Edelman is still contributing making a lot of really difficult catches (but dropping some easy ones).
Gordon didn't seem to be looked at all game for some odd reason.
Where has White disappeared to?
OL performed well except for the penalties. Those were absolute killers.
What is this offense's identity? I understand that Patriots have always been multiple and changing their attack week to week based on the defense, but what does this offense do well? The team seems to be playing too safe. Punt and FG on 4th and inches. Brady won't throw a 50/50 ball ever (the heave INT excepted).
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I think come playoff time they'll be fine. Maybe I'm crazy, but based on how teams have played against us, it seems they treat us like it's the Super Bowl and I think that might make a difference when playoffs role around. I could be wrong though and we just aren't the team we used to be. I've seen a lot of progression this season and I think we're close.
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12-16-2018, 09:56 PM #148
Wrong. If the Patriots lose the next two and Miami wins the next two, the Dolphins win the tie breaker and the division (and could possibly bounce the Patriots from the playoffs). At least one of these two games does matter - win one of the next two and the division is locked. Nothing is a given with this team but it will be nice to be at home for the final two, which makes losing twice highly, highly unlikely.
You continue to be clueless about this. It is obvious to anyone who actually understands football. They haven't lost back to back games in December since 2002. They haven't had 5 losses in a season since 2009. This is one of the 3 worst teams the Patriots have fielded this century. They will not be fine come playoff time.
Let's review some of what I mentioned last week shall we...
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The Patriots committed 14 penalties.
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I talked about this in October (https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1564682121)...
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I've been spouting the same talking points since the offseason and they continue to ring true.
I also said this in October...
Originally Posted by HoganIsGOATLast edited by HoganIsGOAT; 12-16-2018 at 11:49 PM.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.
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12-16-2018, 10:30 PM #149
Correct. And the dynasty is winding down - it is obvious to anyone unbiased. What an incredible, once in a lifetime run.
Edelman is 32 and coming off of ACL surgery. Josh Gordon is good but certainly not the same receiver we saw in Cleveland and he's a free agent in the off season. Gronk is constantly riddled with injuries and his play has declined. Chris Hogan is 30 years old and a 3rd or 4th option at receiver. Sony Michel is in his rookie season and is already missing games due to injury. Tom Brady is 41 years old and hasn't played consistently great this year. The play calling has been very suspect at times and too conservative. They've dealt with a lot of injuries. The issues on defense weren't fixed in the off season. I'm not saying they can't beat anyone on any given day (they can), but it's all slowly falling apart.Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.
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For a team thread, you are a huge d*ck head. If you don't like what I post, don't feel the need to right a book length response back...or for that matter even respond back. Just because I'm not in here crying about how bad we are every week, doesn't mean I'm biased and only see rainbows and sunshine. I know where we struggle. I see the same stats you see. I watch the same games as you do.
My comment about the next two games not mattering were because we aren't going to lose both of those games.
And chill the fk out about me saying we'll be fine in the playoffs. It's my opinion. I don't see you jumping all over GarthVader for thinking we'll win the Super Bowl.New England Patriot
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