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    Great recovery since the weekend. BTC is almost back to where it dropped from.

    Alts are recovering quickly, as well. These are great signs.
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    ****ing miss Bizonacci brahs. His content was gold. Hasn't uploaded in ages, reading online he passed away, does anybody know?


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    Rumor has it that Bizonacci invested in AMB and then killed himself because it never recovered, but I dunno. I don´t think it´s confirmed. I try not to visit biz because of all the dogchit pnd that are shilled there.

    Or maybe he runs the youtube channel "Chainlink crypto"? I get Bizonacci vibes from some of those videos
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    Omg Binance have held back my transaction for fukkin hours now. Fukkin shady exchange make me miss out on making money. Raging right now
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    This market sucks, I'm sick of this BS. It will never go anywhere with chitcoiners pumping their BS
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    got damn the recent btc price action is so retarded. pure manipulation.
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    1. One more minor pump
    2. Another retest of 9.4-5
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    Originally Posted by johnnyboi123 View Post
    got damn the recent btc price action is so retarded. pure manipulation.
    People are getting sick of btc and the manipulation. More and more people are giving up on btc it seems. Time for something else to take over, somthing with more usecases.
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    Just thinking about how much momentum bitcoin have lost over the last few years. While coins like Tezos has gained huge momentum. In the next few years I expect this trend to continue. People will at one point start to question how valuable bitcoin really is, people are already starting to doubt it, and there are not too many new buyers. When the many smart contract use cases hits the market in the next few years, people will begin to question bitcoin even more. Especially when we will see other chains becoming more and more decentralized, hopefully. When bitcoins main advantage, decentralization, is no longer that ahead of the compitition, scaling and smart contracts will start to matter more. So, if other chains can successfully become decentralized enough, which is a question in itself, then bitcoin will fall apart.
    If other coins fail to become and remain decentralized enough, then bitcoin will stay on top, likely. When looking at decentralization we can automatically rule out 99,99% of all coins.

    I´m short/mid term bullish, but long time bearish on btc.
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    Originally Posted by PimpMasterC View Post
    People are getting sick of btc and the manipulation. More and more people are giving up on btc it seems. Time for something else to take over, somthing with more usecases.
    Originally Posted by PimpMasterC View Post
    Just thinking about how much momentum bitcoin have lost over the last few years. While coins like Tezos has gained huge momentum. In the next few years I expect this trend to continue. People will at one point start to question how valuable bitcoin really is, people are already starting to doubt it, and there are not too many new buyers. When the many smart contract use cases hits the market in the next few years, people will begin to question bitcoin even more. Especially when we will see other chains becoming more and more decentralized, hopefully. When bitcoins main advantage, decentralization, is no longer that ahead of the compitition, scaling and smart contracts will start to matter more. So, if other chains can successfully become decentralized enough, which is a question in itself, then bitcoin will fall apart.
    If other coins fail to become and remain decentralized enough, then bitcoin will stay on top, likely. When looking at decentralization we can automatically rule out 99,99% of all coins.

    I´m short/mid term bullish, but long time bearish on btc.
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    Yeah, I have nothing more to say anyway, for now. Trying to help people here with good advice. Bitcoin trend is over, jump on the next trend if you want to make it. You get rich by investing in the next trend that is coming, not by investing in an old trend that is on its way out. I will leave this thread for now, and come back when xtz is at $10.
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    If Bitcoin is over, then you can say goodbye to your precious Tezos and whatever other Shillcoin you may love. This reddit shillboy crap needs to stop. Maybe we need another multi year bear market.
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    If Bitcoin is over, then you can say goodbye to your precious Tezos and whatever other Shillcoin you may love. This reddit shillboy crap needs to stop. Maybe we need another multi year bear market.
    Lol I really don't think even absolute ****coins like tron or EOS or some crap are to blame for BTC behaving the way it has been just lol. You just sound mad you have been holding BTC only and not taking advantage of altcoins. It is foolish to not recognize that there are some actually cool ideas floating around with blockchain and thinking BTC is the end all be all at this point. Sure be mad at BSV or Bcash those you could argue easily dilute bitcoin and could be causing problems. But its retarded to be blaming obscure ****coins for this price action. Especially with how marketcap works, just silly to be blaming these alt coins for btc not going straight up. I don't think any coin is going to pass BTC marketcap or anything like that but some alt coins have way more exciting technological prospects going for them
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    Originally Posted by broseidon View Post
    Lol I really don't think even absolute ****coins like tron or EOS or some crap are to blame for BTC behaving the way it has been just lol. You just sound mad you have been holding BTC only and not taking advantage of altcoins. It is foolish to not recognize that there are some actually cool ideas floating around with blockchain and thinking BTC is the end all be all at this point. Sure be mad at BSV or Bcash those you could argue easily dilute bitcoin and could be causing problems. But its retarded to be blaming obscure ****coins for this price action. Especially with how marketcap works, just silly to be blaming these alt coins for btc not going straight up. I don't think any coin is going to pass BTC marketcap or anything like that but some alt coins have way more exciting technological prospects going for them
    I hold plenty of alts, I'm just talking about the importance of BTC and the phenomenon of reddit shillboys that time warped from 2017.
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    I hold plenty of alts, I'm just talking about the importance of BTC and the phenomenon of reddit shillboys that time warped from 2017.
    I just don't think that has much affect on the market. Futures and even government interest have a bigger impact any day. **** like BSV sure that could and I wish it didn't exist. Idiots losing their money on ****coins just seems like a part of the market now. And if you want some laughs go over to reddit and check the boards for things like VET or XRP--pure comedy I am glad I can read stuff like that when I am feeling low.
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    Lol I really don't think even absolute ****coins like tron or EOS or some crap are to blame for BTC behaving the way it has been just lol. You just sound mad you have been holding BTC only and not taking advantage of altcoins. It is foolish to not recognize that there are some actually cool ideas floating around with blockchain and thinking BTC is the end all be all at this point. Sure be mad at BSV or Bcash those you could argue easily dilute bitcoin and could be causing problems. But its retarded to be blaming obscure ****coins for this price action. Especially with how marketcap works, just silly to be blaming these alt coins for btc not going straight up. I don't think any coin is going to pass BTC marketcap or anything like that but some alt coins have way more exciting technological prospects going for them
    ****coins are the penny stocks\pink sheets\OTC of crypto. Low cap, thinly traded, hype based on what could happen in the future.

    In theory there is nothing wrong trading these, you just have to fully understand what you're getting into.

    There's a reason why 10 years in, Bitcoin is still 63% of the entire market.

    If you sort the top 100 crypto's by market cap, the exponential falloff is beautiful.

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    For a crypto to really succeed, it needs more than just decentralization or speed. Some traits that are needed for a crypto to succeed are listed below. If it doens´t have all of these traits it will simply fail, which means 99,99% of all existing crypto will fail in the long run.


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    Privacy (fungibility, also transactional privacy for both spenders and recipients). It is TBD if the level required is truly zk-SNARK (ZCash) or if a sufficiently high volume mix system (e.g. Monero) would be adequate. I do not thing the lower level of privacy (and fungibility) provided by Mimblewimble would do it. I believe there are various proposals to add zk-SNARKs to each of Ethereum, Cardano, Cosmos, Stellar, Polkadot, and EOS. I don't know the specifics. I do know that Tezos has various groups working on this actively and we should have something in some form by the end of 2019 -- it's just an engineering question of the best way to do it. We're probably 1-3 years from a good mobile privacy solution on any platform, though. I think Tezos is probably ahead of everyone except ZCash on this.

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    Adequate performance -- this depends on the applications, but it's probably >100 tps, but probably doesn't need to be >1000 tps on the base chain. Second layer might help with this, but there's still a base layer needed. Tezos can get >100 with some good but not heroic engineering and hopefully can continue well past that. The more centralized systems have a huge inherent advantage on this.

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    Adequate censorship-resistance: probably best accomplished by being permissionless and decentralized. BTC is the far-and-away leader here, with ETH second, Tezos and Cosmos doing pretty well (permissionless, but not enough nodes on Tezos -- we really need thousands of bakers on diverse infrastructure -- and Cosmos is limited to 100 right now). EOS is IMO too low on decentralization for long-term success, but maybe they'll expand that.

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    A form of governance which stakeholders (users, developers, regulators, etc.) can tolerate. It might be on-chain governance like Tezos. It might be that someone gets it right at launch and doesn't need to change much (BTC). It might be a more centralized entity doing development/control. No one really knows what is optimal here, but I think the Tezos system has a good chance of evolving to be closer to whatever works best.

    5.
    Fair enough token distribution -- either a fair POW mine, or a reasonably well accepted token distribution at start. The way Tezos did it was fine in that regard; seems ok on the others you've mentioned as well. You definitely don't want a system where a few large unknown parties hold huge reserves early on and can then dump on the market whenever.

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    Smart contracts, at least for the limited scope of "programmable money" for things like multisig/time lock/etc. Tezos and EOS and Eth are above the required level here; not sure about the others. Those who don't have explicit scripting at the right level will be much harder to work with (e.g. building custody systems when you don't even have bitcoin's level of multisig...)

    Token standards (these seem really useful for a lot of things, and Tezos is getting them, but Ethereum is by far the leader in this.)

    7.
    Mobile: some way to do a light client which is as close to a full participant as possible. This is particularly difficult with privacy -- it's easier for a light client to delegate transactions to a partner and know money hasn't been stolen/transactions go through, but preventing privacy leakage is hard. This was one of the main reasons I went to ZCon1 last weekend (to learn the options in this space.)

    8.
    Reasonable security (related to smart contracts particularly, but overall) -- being safe from 51% by scale is an issue for smaller POW; being able to avoid being taken over by ASICs if your initial goal was ASIC resistance. POS has an easier time on that part but there are still lots of other security threats.

    9.
    Vibrant developer/wallet/exchange/etc. ecosystem -- this means both end user retail wallets and also the libraries and other tools (deployable nodes in various forms, etc.) needed by institutional users (exchanges, merchants, etc.). BTC and Eth rule this right now. Tezos is improving but has a long way to go.

    Those 9 pretty much cover the technical requirements. On top of that there should be a lack of major legal encumbrances (no patents, licensing, etc.), clear communication about how the system works, and a sufficient killer app to cause real user demand. So far BTC has that (capital flight, particularly), and Ethereum probably does (although their killer app was ICOs which seems to have abated a lot). No one else does.


    As you can see, creating a good crypto is very challenging, and pretty much all projects that are created fail before they even get released
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    Fundamental analysis does not apply in crypto, Coz if most of these coins had legitimacy they'd have done an IPO,

    They only do an ICO here in crypto cuz its easier to sucker newbies and scam them (coz many come from backgrounds having not much finance knowledge.)

    Learn from us, Many of us have lost so much money in scummy alts. Don't make same mistake.

    This industry/market is very cash driven/money minded. People lie a lot, they lie about the tech they are making, They lie about future plans and use clever marketing gimmicks to fool people.

    Bitcoin will always be the leader, Nothing will replace it. Follow the financial institutions, They are invested in bitcoin -

    There's a reason big financial institutions wont put money in scummy alts with revolutionary technology. They are not stupid.
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    Originally Posted by BDSMBBW View Post
    Fundamental analysis does not apply in crypto, Coz if most of these coins had legitimacy they'd have done an IPO,

    They only do an ICO here in crypto cuz its easier to sucker newbies and scam them (coz many come from backgrounds having not much finance knowledge.)

    Learn from us, Many of us have lost so much money in scummy alts. Don't make same mistake.

    This industry/market is very cash driven/money minded. People lie a lot, they lie about the tech they are making, They lie about future plans and use clever marketing gimmicks to fool people.

    Bitcoin will always be the leader, Nothing will replace it. Follow the financial institutions, They are invested in bitcoin -

    There's a reason big financial institutions wont put money in scummy alts with revolutionary technology. They are not stupid.
    That applies to all alts except tezos and perhaps a few others. The top 3 right now should be 1. Bitcoin, 2. Ethereum and 3. Tezos
    If anyone have a worthy challenger to Tezos except for btc and eth, then I will gladly debate you. Don´t listen to me though, DYOR. Yeah, I follow the financial institutions too, and they are looking at Tezos. People won´t understand that until later this year tho. I come off as annoying, but I really want to help people here make good investments. Tough love. And sometimes you have to repeat it many times until they get it trough their thick skulls.

    IPO´s is for company stocks, not crypto. You don´t put crypto on the big stock exchanges when it launch, thats not how it works. Of course fundamental analysis works, thats why I´m up 600% on tezos right now. The hype might lag behind the fundamentals, but it will often catch up. The mindset that bitcoin will always be the leader is pretty narrow mided imo. You might be right, but you shouldnt be so sure. Even if I rave about tezos all the time, I´m still open to the possiblity of it failing.

    Most people that invest into crypto are fukkin stupid, so it´s not that hard to make money. The dumbasses just trasnfer their money to me basically. You just gotta see the trends before the majority. Bitcoin maximalist can cling to their btc, while it continue to lose dominance. Good alts will outperform btc this year, and btc dominance will continue to fall.


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    That applies to all alts except tezos and perhaps a few others. The top 3 right now should be 1. Bitcoin, 2. Ethereum and 3. Tezos


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    I will post as much as I want to. Because of my tezos gains I never have to work another day in my life, so I have plenty of free time sir.

    whoops, saying that I never have to work again is bad karma, and I will make you jelous. I will have to work of course. Cheers!
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    pretty much all altcoins trend to worthlessness.



    Most of these altcoins have claimed some sort of improvement real or perceived over BTC. Why is your altcoin any different?, why bet against overwhelming historical price trends for altcoins when you can make a safe bet in BTC?
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    Here's a better question, is ETH still considered an alt?
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    I will post as much as I want to. Because of my tezos gains I never have to work another day in my life, so I have plenty of free time sir.

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