RS3 Or Hellcat Charger as daily

[BamaULilBitch]

RS3 and it isn't even close

this man fuks

[KilaByte]

And the rain, and from every single stop light.

You forgot stopping or turning

[1QWIK7]

Awww it seems people here never driven a high hp RWD before. Spin city lol. Because these cars don't come with multi levels of TC and because every driver goes 100% throttle in rain all the time lol.

SMH

[gsxtreme1987]

That's a clown question bro.

RS3 easy.

[anonymous]

Rs3 no question

imo you should trade the z06 for a ZL1, upgrade the blower and fueling and have a 800 HP daily

[Thacker]

Thanks for the opinions everyone.

I've seen and been around many hellcats but I was able to check out a RS3 in person at a local dealership this weekend. Unfortunately they had sold it two days before and it was being prepped for pickup so I wasn't able to drive it but I was able to sit in and check it out thoroughly. The interior quality and just overall feel of the car was friggin amazing. Leaps and bounds ahead of the charger in fit, finish, materials and technology.

I was offered invoice pricing on a transfer unit 18 and 5% off msrp on a 2019 if I choose to order. Should be making a decision this week.

[SouthDakotaBrah]

Audi S5 would probably be really comfortable for DD duty and still fun with a turbo V6 that can be tuned. Spacious car and I think the proportions look dead sexy. Practical car, not as special as the RS3, but a good DD and you already have a C7 Z06. If it were me I'd just save some cash and DD the Z06 tho lol.

[Thacker]

Audi S5 would probably be really comfortable for DD duty and still fun with a turbo V6 that can be tuned. Spacious car and I think the proportions look dead sexy. Practical car, not as special as the RS3, but a good DD and you already have a C7 Z06. If it were me I'd just save some cash and DD the Z06 tho lol.

My z06 is a c6. It's a heads / cam / intake car that isn't exactly DD friendly. The C6's suspension is stiff as a rock and driving in Atlanta traffic with the big cam + manual has always been a bitch. Not to mention everywhere I try to take the thing in the city results in scraping and fear of messing my rims up in a pothole or something else. I really do like the S5 sportbacks though, solid cars.

[SouthDakotaBrah]

My z06 is a c6. It's a heads / cam / intake car that isn't exactly DD friendly. The C6's suspension is stiff as a rock and driving in Atlanta traffic with the big cam + manual has always been a bitch. Not to mention everywhere I try to take the thing in the city results in scraping and fear of messing my rims up in a pothole or something else. I really do like the S5 sportbacks though, solid cars.

Oh nice, don't know why I thought I saw C7. LS7 + big cam = hnnnngh, probably one of the most iconic American engines ever made

[1QWIK7]

My z06 is a c6. It's a heads / cam / intake car that isn't exactly DD friendly. The C6's suspension is stiff as a rock and driving in Atlanta traffic with the big cam + manual has always been a bitch. Not to mention everywhere I try to take the thing in the city results in scraping and fear of messing my rims up in a pothole or something else. I really do like the S5 sportbacks though, solid cars.

If you're going the audi route, definitely an S5. While the RS3's are nice, comparing to the hellcat, i mean there's no comparison, the hellcat all day.

Now an S5 on the other hand. Now we have a real discussion between S5 and hellcat. That's actually a tough choice even for me lol

[anonymous]

If you're going the audi route, definitely an S5. While the RS3's are nice, comparing to the hellcat, i mean there's no comparison, the hellcat all day.

Now an S5 on the other hand. Now we have a real discussion between S5 and hellcat. That's actually a tough choice even for me lol

S5? That's trash with an engine that's maxed from the factory with way less potential than the last gen supercharged v6

Unless you mean RS5

The rs3 destroys the poverty s5 in every driving metric

[1QWIK7]

S5? That's trash with an engine that's maxed from the factory with way less potential than the last gen supercharged v6

Unless you mean RS5

The rs3 destroys the poverty s5 in every driving metric

So are we discussing performance or looks?

S5 looks > RS3

RS3 interior > hellcat

Hellcat> S5 performance and RS3 performance

People are first saying hellcat isn't as refined as an RS3. Which i agree. Obviously.

Then people say the S5 is slow compared to the RS3. In which i agree.

So which one are we talking about?

The hellcat chits on both the S5 and RS3 in performance. So does OP prefer performance or looks?

S5 for looks, hellcat for performance.

RS3 is too much money for the car. 60 grand? LOL

If OP can get some sort of discount for a leftover 18 RS5, he might be able to swing that since it'll be slightly more than an RS3.

When i think of RS3, i always think it's a girls audi. Nice car for sure. But those small ass cars are like for women.

[Murph0408]

No AWD + massive power = spin city or tires so soft you need to replace them every 8k

i own the SRT challenger and have never spun the wheels (well.....never unintentionally spun the wheels)

Awww it seems people here never driven a high hp RWD before. Spin city lol. Because these cars don't come with multi levels of TC and because every driver goes 100% throttle in rain all the time lol.

SMH

correct


for what its worth i'm a fan of the charger too just was floored somebody said the chal was unattractive / boat-looking

[MikeLowrrrey]

RS3 and it isn't even close

Lol no. That Audi is way to pretty to do practically anything. Hellcat you don't mind driving around like an *******, not to mention is more testosterone inducing in this pussified world. Audi is only good for going out to dinner, nothing else.

RS3, if I wanted a boat to drive around I'd get a boat and put some wheels on it

Newsflash: It's a muscle car, a highway missle that can comfortably fit 4. It's the only proper muscle car in 2018 and nothing comes close.


Question, have you ever driven a hellcat? Most reviewers of the Hellcat and Scat Pack say the car isn't all that bad in turns

[Murph0408]

Lol no. That Audi is way to pretty to do practically anything. Hellcat you don't mind driving around like an *******, not to mention is more testosterone inducing in this pussified world. Audi is only good for going out to dinner, nothing else.






Newsflash: It's a muscle car, a highway missle that can comfortably fit 4. It's the only proper muscle car in 2018 and nothing comes close.


Question, have you ever driven a hellcat? Most reviewers of the Hellcat and Scat Pack say the car isn't all that bad in turns

i agree with you and i can confirm it isn't bad around corners (mine is 392 srt not the cat but i'm assuming the ride is similar enough around turns/daily). however i think what is throwing me off here is the idea that OP wants this as a commuter/daily while already having a designated weekend ride.

i'm just iffy on the idea of a supercharged monster with brembos and all that comes with it and using that to sit in traffic back and forth to work. feels like it's being misused. if it were me the cat would be the fun one and i'd have something else daily.

[MikeLowrrrey]

i agree with you and i can confirm it isn't bad around corners (mine is 392 srt not the cat but i'm assuming the ride is similar enough around turns/daily). however i think what is throwing me off here is the idea that OP wants this as a commuter/daily while already having a designated weekend ride. i'm just iffy on the idea of a supercharged monster with brembos and all that comes with it and using that to sit in traffic back and forth to work. feels like it's being misused. if it were me the cat would be the fun one and i'd have something else daily.

The challenger is big, can seat 4 grown adults, room for cup holders, I'm sure has good AC, and some nannies to keep things in line. It's supposed to be comfortable and sounds like a daily driver, especially for long road trips. But you're right the Hellcat is probably a brute. Audi S3 would probably be better in this instance but I would feel guilty for having fun, not to mention parking anywhere, scratches, dirt, etc.

[1QWIK7]

i own the SRT challenger and have never spun the wheels (well.....never unintentionally spun the wheels)

correct


for what its worth i'm a fan of the charger too just was floored somebody said the chal was unattractive / boat-looking

lol i did call it a boat, meaning not the weight but the way it looks. I call vipers a clown shoe lol.

I just think the challenger is like a rolling brick. To me, there's no style IMHO. I love the engine, but i rather have the charger. That's just my opinion though. I'm not saying it's chit, i just think it doesn't look as good as the charger.

And i love how people default to "handling" when the car they like is underpowered vs a car in comparison. But then when someone mentions a car they don't like and they talk about handling, now all of a sudden it's, "a slow car, can barely out accelerate a minivan pos" etc etc.

People need to learn how to pick their battles. RS3 is a great car, but IMHO not when compared to a hellcat. These cars don't cost 10 grand to where if you don't like it, you take a small loss and get another one. This is a big decision to make. It's a lot of money.

OP, since he has a vette, would appreciate the hellcat more because it's a V8, fast and in auto, a good auto too. Seats 4 as well like the audi.

Once you go v8, you really can't go back. And definitely not to a 5 cyl lol

[1QWIK7]

I mean how can anyone turn this down?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJADVHp7jtQ

Just that sound alone is worth the admission.

Not a 5cyl sound, sounds like a vacuum cleaner lol

[swoleyo]

Awww it seems people here never driven a high hp RWD before. Spin city lol. Because these cars don't come with multi levels of TC and because every driver goes 100% throttle in rain all the time lol.

SMH

This is a really terrible argument.

The AWD car will be faster off the line every single time. No matter how much TC/Throttle feathering you do.

I'm not talking about the RS3.


Here's a Cadillac Escalade with AWD that could almost beat that car. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

The Escalade is definitely not a performance vehicle even after you throw a supercharger on the engine. I'm just using it to show how silly the difference is between AWD and 2W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYHyVi3FTY0

[1QWIK7]

This is a really terrible argument.

The AWD car will be faster off the line every single time. No matter how much TC/Throttle feathering you do.

I'm not talking about the RS3.


Here's a Cadillac Escalade with AWD that could almost beat that car. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

The Escalade is definitely not a performance vehicle even after you throw a supercharger on the engine. I'm just using it to show how silly the difference is between AWD and 2W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYHyVi3FTY0

Not sure if srs.

Hellcat times with the factory tires is 3.4 seconds 0-60. You do know these cars come with launch control right? The videos you are watching of them spinning are idiot owners who are racing these cars in 40 degree weather at night, with their tires at 40psi. Tell me if you think that's correct.

And why are we all of a sudden discussing hole shot performance? Is that really what you guys have to default to, to help your argument?

The audi has AWD, hellcat does not. So obviously the audi will have better traction almost all the time vs the hellcat in which you have to be selective on when to go WOT. But OP isn't going nascar 100% of the time during his commute. When there's open road, he will drop his right foot and an RS3 can only dream about accelerating the same way a hellcat would.

Btw nice CEL on that escalade. Good to know you guys can stay in the discussion properly.

[CrookedDink]

Atlanta eh? I say forget buying anything sporty as a DD. Not like you'll be able to use it in that horrendous 5 lane traffic. Get a cushy luxury cruiser with all the options. No mods or tune.

[swoleyo]

The audi has AWD, hellcat does not. So obviously the audi will have better traction almost all the time vs the hellcat in which you have to be selective on when to go WOT.

You went right back to the car I said I wasn't talking about but you also summed everything up quite nicely.


So you need to adjust the air in the tires to get the best launch? Nice, a AWD car doesn't have to worry about any of that nonsense. You can also run a all season tire instead of expensive high performance tires with soft compounds which wear down easily.

The fact that you're even trying to argue 2WD vs AWD shows you're retarded srs.

If you have two cars with comparable power bands the AWD car will destroy 2WD car almost every single time.

Brb spend tons of money on sports car
Get destroyed by supercharged non-performance 6000lb Cadillac Escalade while his three hoes are sitting in the back seat doing coke
Race is over by 40mph
But I WOULD HAVE HAD HIM BRAH IF THE RACE WENT ON LONGER

Cliffs:
AWD provides power and traction where you'll need it
Most street incursions will be over by 40/60mph

[1QWIK7]

You went right back to the car I said I wasn't talking about but you also summed everything up quite nicely.


So you need to adjust the air in the tires to get the best launch? Nice, a AWD car doesn't have to worry about any of that nonsense. You can also run a all season tire instead of expensive high performance tires with soft compounds which wear down easily.

The fact that you're even trying to argue 2WD vs AWD shows you're retarded srs.

If you have two cars with comparable power bands the AWD car will destroy 2WD car almost every single time.

Brb spend tons of money on sports car
Get destroyed by supercharged non-performance 6000lb Cadillac Escalade while his three hoes are sitting in the back seat doing coke
Race is over by 40mph
But I WOULD HAVE HAD HIM BRAH IF THE RACE WENT ON LONGER

Cliffs:
AWD provides power and traction where you'll need it
Most street incursions will be over by 40/60mph

Did someone say the OP lives in atlanta? lol yup, gotta have an AWD for that!!!

Brb who races in the rain that justifies a need for AWD?
Brb who races in the snow when OP lives in an area that doesn't get any of it, barely.
Brb posting an irrelevant car/truck just to show it's capabilities of AWD, by having it heavily modified. You're better off just posting a video of an STI or something
Brb OP didn't say he wants AWD, he just added AWD as an advantage because all wheel drive is better? Or is it? Brb again AWD adding weight to the car, at almost 3600lbs it's not exactly feather light. And it's also down on power by 300hp vs the hellcat

You're arguing AWD vs RWD. The hellcat has 300 more Hp than the RS3. Where is it going to go once 60 passes?

You're bringing up 0-60 times and hole shot performance. Because the car is AWD.

I know many people with AWD cars that are too scared to launch it because they're scared of destroying something. So that gets tossed out the window.

The hellcat will destroy this RS3 in any straight line acceleration there is. Even if the RS3 gets off the line first, which it will, the hellcat will immediately gain ground and put school buses on that little audi.

And no one here is randy pobst so not you, nor I, nor the OP would bring any of these cars talked about to it's max in terms of handling.

Lettuce be cereal.

Hellcat is a better choice here brahs.

[1QWIK7]

Wait, i just read that you said softer compounds wear down easy lol.

Do you have any idea what tread wear is?

Do you have any idea of how tires even work? Softer compound wearing down faster? Umm you WANT softer tires. Both in summer and winter. Summer for traction and softer tires (winter tires) for winter.

You're acting like hellcat owners are running their summer tires in winter. You know what i call those? Hockey pucks.

Btw, all season tires suck. The best of both worlds is getting BOTH sets of tires. One dedicated summer set, one dedicated winter set.


What happened in this thread is you get a bunch of people who never driven a high hp car before. All they do is watch youtube videos and make their assessment then. Then you have a bunch of german fanboys chiming in, most of which never owned nor owned an audi, or any german car.

The OP hasn't even replied much since he made this thread. But i know vette guys and he should go with the hellcat. Despite everyone claiming the RS3 is "better".

If he got the RS5 as an option i would have shut up a long time ago. The RS3 is a chick car.

[sumolgi]

I call vipers a clown shoe lol.

You should stop, the name is taken. Most car guys think Z3 M coupe when you say clown shoe. Jus' sayin'

[MikeLowrrrey]

This is a really terrible argument.

The AWD car will be faster off the line every single time. No matter how much TC/Throttle feathering you do.

I'm not talking about the RS3.


Here's a Cadillac Escalade with AWD that could almost beat that car. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

The Escalade is definitely not a performance vehicle even after you throw a supercharger on the engine. I'm just using it to show how silly the difference is between AWD and 2W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYHyVi3FTY0

AWD isn't enough for me to justify the Audi. Unless you're going to to the track or in Texas doing 2am pulls who digs(right terminology?) Who cares?

[1QWIK7]

AWD isn't enough for me to justify the Audi. Unless you're going to to the track or in Texas doing 2am pulls who digs(right terminology?) Who cares?

Bingo!

Awd is overrated. Unless you wanna do launches from every stop light just to say you got the hole shot on any car next to you. A good set of winter tires in winter for your rwd car and you'll be fine. Did that many winters.

I had a 06 wrx like 8 years ago. I miss that car. Didn't benefit from awd at all. It was good to have, because it was my daily but no benefit from the actual car compared to any other car i could have used for daily use. Sold that car in less than a year and went back to rwd and v8 lol.

Because once you go v8........lol

[anonymous]

In a daily, I do.

I do wish that GM and Ford would add AWD to their performance cars, but it's already a niche market compared to the poverty 4 bangers that make most of their sales

The ZL1 ****s on my old m240i in every respect but being able to put down all the power on square 305s would make it a 3 second 0-60 car

A bigger blower and upgraded fuelling would make up for the extra weight as the engines already good for 1000 HP, **** could be running mid 10s stock

But do I trust a Chevy AWD implementation?

[iifymbro]

What happened in this thread is you get a bunch of people who never driven a high hp car before. All they do is watch youtube videos and make their assessment then. Then you have a bunch of german fanboys chiming in, most of which never owned nor owned an audi, or any german car.

The OP hasn't even replied much since he made this thread. But i know vette guys and he should go with the hellcat. Despite everyone claiming the RS3 is "better".

If he got the RS5 as an option i would have shut up a long time ago. The RS3 is a chick car.

fukin lol at chick car, you're thinking of the A3



Also if you spend 60+ grand on a goddamn Dodge you are a full blown retard, for that reason alone he should get the Audi.

As for the "high hp" bullchit, the dodge also weighs a cool 1K pounds more and has to put that power down through two tires.

BHP per tonne on the Dodge: 340

BHP per tonne on the Audi w/ stock tune: 260....

...With a flash tune and a new intercooler (stock one is trash): 337


So get the Audi and flash it, wreck Dodge-cels at the lights with the AWD and superior gearbox and in the corners while living in luxury vs in a bloat-max rent-a-car dodge charger ayy lmao

[Murph0408]

fukin lol at chick car, you're thinking of the A3



Also if you spend 60+ grand on a goddamn Dodge you are a full blown retard, for that reason alone he should get the Audi.

As for the "high hp" bullchit, the dodge also weighs a cool 1K pounds more and has to put that power down through two tires.

BHP per tonne on the Dodge: 340

BHP per tonne on the Audi w/ stock tune: 260....

...With a flash tune and a new intercooler (stock one is trash): 337


So get the Audi and flash it, wreck Dodge-cels at the lights with the AWD and superior gearbox and in the corners while living in luxury vs in a bloat-max rent-a-car dodge charger ayy lmao

this whole general attitude towards the big dodge cars is stupid and i disagree but i think it also speaks to the weirdness of this thread. these are apples and oranges and the hellcat is absolutely not meant to be a day-to-day commute car. what are we even arguing about anymore. OP isn't even responding to most of it lol.