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    ‘Not fair’: World cycling bronze medalist cries after transgender woman wins gold

    The American bronze medalist who lost a world-championship cycling race to a transgender woman from Canada has criticized the results as unfair.

    "First transgender woman world champion...ever," Rachel McKinnon, an assistant professor of philosophy at the College of Charleston in South Carolina, bragged Sunday in a tweet that set off a massive debate.


    McKinnon gave a talk at the College of Charleston earlier this year asking: “Is it fair for transwomen athletes to compete in women’s categories?”

    While McKinnon argues it is, given the rules and regulations adopted by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), the bronze medalist felt another way at the finish of the world championships.

    “It’s definitely NOT fair,” Jennifer Wagner, the third-place finisher from Houston, said in response to a tweet from British conservative Katie Hopkins.

    Hopkins tweeted an image of the three cyclists on the podium with this caption: “For clarity – this was the WOMENS world championships. I repeat. Women’s. Congratulations to the brave faces of silver & bronze. The world is gripped by a febrile madness.”

    Carolien van Herrikhuyzen, the silver medalist representing the Netherlands and a friend of McKinnon, disagreed.

    “No one is a transgender to steal anyone’s medal,” van Herrikhuyzen wrote. “We had an honest race under UCI rules. If you compete you accept the rules, otherwise, don’t compete. I can only imagine what she had to go through in her life to be where she is now, how hard it is to fit in.”

    Wagner snapped back: “Just because it’s a CURRENT UCI rule doesn’t mean it[‘s] fair or right. And rules can be changed.”

    Four days later, after a firestorm of controversy, Wagner apologized to McKinnon, adding that she will work to get the rules changed offline to avoid more controversy.

    “After having some time to reflect, I realize my twitter comments earlier this week unintentionally fanned the flames on a controversial situation, and that I regret,” Wagner wrote. “I made the comments out of a feeling of frustration, but they weren't productive or positive.”

    Wagner added: “While I may not agree with the rules when I pin on a number I agree to race by them.”

    And she ended: “I apologize, @rachelvmckinnon , for not properly congratulating you on race day. I hope you accept it a few days late. Congratulations and enjoy your off-season. Thanks, everyone, for reading.”

    But McKinnon refused to accept her apology: “She merely apologizes for being caught saying it publicly. She wants to ban trans women from competing. They will fail…”

    McKinnon labeled critics as “transphobic bigots” and pointed out that Wagner could face sanctions for allegedly violating the USA Cycling’s policy against harassment for “creating hostile environments or disparaging remarks against people on the basis of gender identity.”

    As of 2015, IOC guidelines require biologically born men who identify as transgender to block certain amounts of natural testosterone, but no longer require gender reassignment surgery. McKinnon argues testing is against human rights because there is no way to measure if testosterone provides an advantage, instead pointing to civil rights.
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    She's right, and the only people who disagree are transgender or probably have never competed at a high level of anything.

    I haven no issues with gay/trans/whatever you want to be. But it is absolutely wrong that someone who has the body of a man, even if it is going thru changes, gets to compete as a woman. These poor girls who work their asses off to be the best get dumped on by barely above average men passing as women. Completely unfair to them

    Make a trans league and let them compete with eachother. If they don't like it, they don't have to compete.

    I think she's right though where she says it's a rule now but rules can change, and they should change.
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    “Testing for testosterone is against human rights” wtf is it talking about...

    “Not sure if testosterone provides an advantage” wtf is it talking about...
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    no way to measure if testosterone provides an advantage? ...really?
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    Originally Posted by HannahPuffa View Post
    McKinnon argues testing is against human rights because there is no way to measure if testosterone provides an advantage, instead pointing to civil rights.


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    Originally Posted by Shysty021 View Post
    “Testing for testosterone is against human rights” wtf is it talking about...

    “Not sure if testosterone provides an advantage” wtf is it talking about...

    I agree. We should legalize testosterone injections and sell them on Bb
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    All this SJW bullchit is mostly pushed by women so the more of their sports are ruined by trannies the better. Couldn't have less sympathy for them. It will be a beautiful day when the womens 100m final is contested by 8 black blokes in sports bras, cawks windmilling in unison.
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    All this SJW bullchit is mostly pushed by women so the more of their sports are ruined by trannies the better. Couldn't have less sympathy for them. It will be a beautiful day when the womens 100m final is contested by 8 black blokes in sports bras, cawks windmilling in unison.
    yep. tbh I want to see every female sport DOMINATED by men.
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    Gender is socially constructed, while sex is biologically constructed. Why not segregate sporting events based on sex? Segregating based on gender just causes an influx of ridiculous problems.

    Also, how do we know the transgender participant won because of sex-related advantages?
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    The American bronze medalist who lost a world-championship cycling race to a transgender woman from Canada has criticized the results as unfair.

    "First transgender woman world champion...ever," Rachel McKinnon, an assistant professor of philosophy at the College of Charleston in South Carolina, bragged Sunday in a tweet that set off a massive debate.


    McKinnon gave a talk at the College of Charleston earlier this year asking: “Is it fair for transwomen athletes to compete in women’s categories?”

    While McKinnon argues it is, given the rules and regulations adopted by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), the bronze medalist felt another way at the finish of the world championships.

    “It’s definitely NOT fair,” Jennifer Wagner, the third-place finisher from Houston, said in response to a tweet from British conservative Katie Hopkins.

    Hopkins tweeted an image of the three cyclists on the podium with this caption: “For clarity – this was the WOMENS world championships. I repeat. Women’s. Congratulations to the brave faces of silver & bronze. The world is gripped by a febrile madness.”

    Carolien van Herrikhuyzen, the silver medalist representing the Netherlands and a friend of McKinnon, disagreed.

    “No one is a transgender to steal anyone’s medal,” van Herrikhuyzen wrote. “We had an honest race under UCI rules. If you compete you accept the rules, otherwise, don’t compete. I can only imagine what she had to go through in her life to be where she is now, how hard it is to fit in.

    Wagner snapped back: “Just because it’s a CURRENT UCI rule doesn’t mean it[‘s] fair or right. And rules can be changed.”

    Four days later, after a firestorm of controversy, Wagner apologized to McKinnon, adding that she will work to get the rules changed offline to avoid more controversy.

    “After having some time to reflect, I realize my twitter comments earlier this week unintentionally fanned the flames on a controversial situation, and that I regret,” Wagner wrote. “I made the comments out of a feeling of frustration, but they weren't productive or positive.”

    Wagner added: “While I may not agree with the rules when I pin on a number I agree to race by them.”

    And she ended: “I apologize, @rachelvmckinnon , for not properly congratulating you on race day. I hope you accept it a few days late. Congratulations and enjoy your off-season. Thanks, everyone, for reading.”

    But McKinnon refused to accept her apology: “She merely apologizes for being caught saying it publicly. She wants to ban trans women from competing. They will fail…”

    McKinnon labeled critics as “transphobic bigots” and pointed out that Wagner could face sanctions for allegedly violating the USA Cycling’s policy against harassment for “creating hostile environments or disparaging remarks against people on the basis of gender identity.”

    As of 2015, IOC guidelines require biologically born men who identify as transgender to block certain amounts of natural testosterone, but no longer require gender reassignment surgery. McKinnon argues testing is against human rights because there is no way to measure if testosterone provides an advantage, instead pointing to civil rights.
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    Gender is socially constructed, while sex is biologically constructed. Why not segregate sporting events based on sex? Segregating based on gender just causes an influx of ridiculous problems.

    Also, how do we know the transgender participant won because of sex-related advantages?
    Gender and sex are both biological and statistically co-dependent. If they were socially constructed then gender self-identification would be arbitrary for newborns, which is factually incorrect. You're repeating far-left doctrine not science.
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    Originally Posted by RainingBlood View Post
    Gender is socially constructed, while sex is biologically constructed. Why not segregate sporting events based on sex? Segregating based on gender just causes an influx of ridiculous problems.

    Also, how do we know the transgender participant won because of sex-related advantages?
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    Originally Posted by nzgs View Post
    All this SJW bullchit is mostly pushed by women so the more of their sports are ruined by trannies the better. Couldn't have less sympathy for them. It will be a beautiful day when the womens 100m final is contested by 8 black blokes in sports bras, cawks windmilling in unison.
    this, let them enjoy rolling in their own chit

    hopefully one day they'll understand that transgenders should be shot, or men will understand to not give women rights


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    Gender is socially constructed, while sex is biologically constructed. Why not segregate sporting events based on sex? Segregating based on gender just causes an influx of ridiculous problems.

    Also, how do we know the transgender participant won because of sex-related advantages?
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    Originally Posted by nzgs View Post
    Gender and sex are both biological and statistically co-dependent. If they were socially constructed then gender self-identification would be arbitrary for newborns, which is factually incorrect. You're repeating far-left doctrine not science.
    I'm repeating science. You're mistaken.

    Writing off facts as "far-left doctrine" doesn't make them so.
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    hopefully one day they'll understand that transgenders should be shot, or men will understand to not give women rights




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    This is messed up. If transgender people want to complete in races and other events then there needs to be a level playing field. The real females got screwed
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    no way to measure if testosterone provides an advantage? ...really?
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    Originally Posted by RainingBlood View Post
    lmao you conservacucks are on here about us liberals being "snowflakes", yet when you see something you don't agree with, you get rustled and start hurling insults.

    Step up, kid.
    i'm neither a libtard nor a conservacuck, there comes a point where arguing / discussing with another party makes no sense as common sense seems to be completely disregarded

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    Gender is socially constructed, while sex is biologically constructed. Why not segregate sporting events based on sex? Segregating based on gender just causes an influx of ridiculous problems.

    Also, how do we know the transgender participant won because of sex-related advantages?
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