Vegan Diet?

[EIMoreno4900]

I heard that there is a lot of perks to going on a vegan diet. But Im not to sure of this. Is anyone on a vegan diet currently making any gains?

[Heisman2]

Ethical considerations aside, please name one of the perks that you heard of.

[AdamWW]

unless 'going vegan' also encourages you to eat a more generally wholesome diet compared to a standard american one, the only benefit is a moral one which is, of course, personal opinion.

[CommitmentRulz]

OP, in your profile, you say you're 18. In your AVI info, 41. How old are you?

In the thread that you claim to be closer to 18, you say you are having trouble eating more than 1500 calories a day - eating a typical diet (including meat). Why the switch to vegan?

[ironwill2008]

I heard that there is a lot of perks to going on a vegan diet.

You are mistaken.

But Im not to sure of this.

That's good; you shouldn't be sure of that.

Is anyone on a vegan diet currently making any gains?

In the past, in this forum, in similar threads, there's usually somebody who will post that he's a 'vegan' and making "all kindz of gainz," but of course, there's no way to substantiate such claims.


The best I can offer is that in almost 26 years of bodybuilding, I've never known even just one person who ever weight trained as a vegan and looked any better than a scarecrow.







Your post history shows you are over 6 feet tall but only weight 125. Your best plan of action is to forget all about vegans and start stuffing your face with cheeseburgers. srs.

[supramax]

I heard that there is a lot of perks to going on a vegan diet. But Im not to sure of this. Is anyone on a vegan diet currently making any gains?

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant. Check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=vega...utf-8&oe=utf-8

[gbullock32]

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant. Check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=vega...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Seems legit.

not srs.

[AdamWW]

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant. Check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=vega...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Cool story, let me share mine.

I 'went vegan' on my 30th birthday, having previously been a very balanced-eating omnivore all my live.

I ate maybe 3-4 eggs a week, but ate chicken, turkey, etc every day.

After 2.5-3 years vegan, I literally saw ZERO change in my health markers, except my blood cells counts got worse. Lipids, inflammatory markers, everything was identical.

This was without any change whatsoever in muscle mass, no different in veggie/fruit/fiber intake, nothing.

All I did was swap protein sources, matched macros, everything.

So for me, all it did was make eating out with friends more annoying and limited.

[supramax]

Cool story, bro.
I don't eat the way I eat for any reasons; I just eat the way I eat. I'm not a 'bodybuilder', either. I train for strength endurance and to not end up old and frail or diseased. I see my GP every 8-10 years and always hear the same good news.

[AdamWW]

Cool story, bro.
I don't eat the way I eat for any reasons; I just eat the way I eat. I'm not a 'bodybuilder', either. I train for strength endurance and to not end up old and frail or diseased. I see my GP every 8-10 years and always hear the same good news.

that's a bit confusing considering animal products are ubiquitous in almost any packaged food item you might get.... i highly doubt you accidentally don't like cheese, bacon, etc...

even Vitamin D added to things is not vegan... so... not so sure about your whole "this is my baseline" idea

[Mikeez0]

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant. Check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=vega...utf-8&oe=utf-8

"Vegan bodybuilders" are youtubers/media people. They are making money posting pictures of "organic vegan whey" etc.

[rhadam]

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant. Check this out: https://www.google.com/search?q=vega...utf-8&oe=utf-8

So post a pic of yourself then, not fake vegan youtubers making money off selling supplements. You realize that the most jacked "vegan" fitness pseudo-models aren't actually vegan right? And use illegal chemicals.

[AdamWW]

So post a pic of yourself then, not fake vegan youtubers making money off selling supplements. You realize that the most jacked "vegan" fitness pseudo-models aren't actually vegan right? And use illegal chemicals.

That and/or they built their entire mass base before they went vegan.

Show me a truly strong, built vegan lifter on YouTube who has always been vegan or at least since they started lifting... i've never seen one. Not to say it's impossible, but correlation and all that...

[supramax]

that's a bit confusing considering animal products are ubiquitous in almost any packaged food item you might get.... i highly doubt you accidentally don't like cheese, bacon, etc...

even Vitamin D added to things is not vegan... so... not so sure about your whole "this is my baseline" idea

I had no expectation of your understanding.

[supramax]

So post a pic of yourself then...

Not my thing. Thanks for the invite, though.

[sooby]

the only diet you need to go on OP is a bulking one

[EjnarKolinkar]

I've been vegan for 46 years this coming December and I look better at 69 than most of the 20 year olds that post their pics here. Don't heed the ignorant

In general most folks who start out a post with "I heard good things about a restrictive diet" aren't prepared to tackle said dietary change. Nor are restrictive diets required to be in shape.

Other than an appeal to your authority I see no enlightenment in your post. Calling others ignorant is simply not needed. It's an open forum just make your case politely.

I had no expectation of your understanding.

Weaksauce^ You'll have to try harder than that here.

[rhadam]

Not my thing. Thanks for the invite, though.

Makes claim, can't back it up. Can't respond to other claims being refuted.

Yup, sounds about right. Now run along child, this isn't the forum for you.

[supramax]

'Do not heed the ignorant' was a general statement. I hold no malice to anyone, although, some peoples' posts I don't read, because I consider them unable to read. I'm quite ignorant about Quantum Physics, myself.

[supramax]

Makes claim, can't back it up. Can't respond to other claims being refuted.

Yup, sounds about right. Now run along child, this isn't the forum for you.

I don't care what you think.

[AdamWW]

I had no expectation of your understanding.

That's a weird sentence... and if I 'didn't understand', then you must have written it strangely.

My point is, you claim that you naturally ended up just 'eating what you want' many decades ago and that SOMEHOW ended up including zero animal products.

Considering veganism has only recently gained popularity, it's hard to imagine you subsisted that long ago with no animal products in your diet. Even if you didn't eat meat, to claim ZERO intake of any animal stuff is... yeah hard to imagine.

[supramax]

That's a weird sentence... and if I 'didn't understand', then you must have written it strangely.

My point is, you claim that you naturally ended up just 'eating what you want' many decades ago and that SOMEHOW ended up including zero animal products.

Considering veganism has only recently gained popularity, it's hard to imagine you subsisted that long ago with no animal products in your diet. Even if you didn't eat meat, to claim ZERO intake of any animal stuff is... yeah hard to imagine.

True, nonetheless, though. Do you need a reason to not smoke cigarettes?

[gbullock32]

True, nonetheless, though. Do you need a reason to not smoke cigarettes?

No, but smoking is going out of my way to do something; so is going vegan. I have to actually put effort into it, so I do, in fact, need a reason to go vegan that can be proven scientifically.

I do not need a reason to eat a varied diet composed of the foods I like because that is easy and requires no effort on my part.

[AdamWW]

True, nonetheless, though. Do you need a reason to not smoke cigarettes?

of course I need a reason not to, and I have one: there is irrefutable proof that they severely increase your risk of cancer, heart disease, and other ailments.

the same cannot be said about animal products.

there is not one single study that has proven the intake of animal products increases health risks.

and before you respond with hyperbolic claims, study findings, etc, please keep in mind I'm assuming we can all agree that we're using common sense; obviously if you compare a completely whole-foods vegan diet to a diet containing nothing but lard, expired mcdonald's burgers, and donuts, the vegan diet in that example would win.

However, if you take two people with identical lifestyles, macro nutrient intake, etc, and SIMPLY REPLACE a reasonable amout of their plant-based choices with animal alternatives, there is zero evidence either of them with live any longer or 'better'. For example, swapping out 4oz of tofu in your diet with the equivalent in egg whites, lean poultry, low-fat dairy, etc, will do nothing.

[supramax]

So, you think that you need a reason to not inhale smoke into your lungs. I'm done here.

[AdamWW]

So, you think that you need a reason to not inhale smoke into your lungs. I'm done here.

Did you even read what I wrote? I take it you didn't....

Yes, I need a reason to do ANYTHING, and for inhaling smoke I have a reason not to do that: cancer, heart disease, etc. If inhaling smoke DIDN'T have any bad outcomes, then I'd be indifferent to it... but that isn't reality.

I do not, however, have a reason not to consume animal products.

Is this really hard to understand for you?

[Mikeez0]

So, you think that you need a reason to not inhale smoke into your lungs. I'm done here.

Omg. Are you carnivore or heroin addicted?

[desslok]

Don’t feed the trolls people. Or meat.

[rhadam]

I don't care what you think.

How will I go on living?

Oh, wait, I’ll be ok. For a second I forgot how aesthetic and successful I am.

[sfetaz]

I am at on a water fast retreat. I have had no calories for over 150 hours and actually feel pretty decent. The fast breaks in 4 hours with pomegranate juice.

The reason I bring this up is because the people who run these are vegan plant-based hard cores. The one lady admitted to me the first day there will be vegan "brainwashing" if you will.

Everyday the lectures are the same. Science that seems like I was from the 1980s. Yet no actual science. The guy who runs the thing is super stubborn and at times you can see he gets frustrated in people's debating him. When you use words like the science is there and there can be no debate you come off like a preacher who is pissed off.

I wonder why vegan hardcores tend to be so stubborn and pissed off about their viewpoint? My guess based on my recent diet experiences is the lack of omega-3 is required for proper brain function. But when you pushing 80% carbohydrate 10% fat 10% protein diet with no choices other than plants, I can't imagine that your brain is nothing but misery on the inside and that your insulin levels and hunger levels are completely insane.

As someone who's had mental health issues most of my life, I am finding a lot of clarity in this lack of calories for a week combined with the fact I've lost 12 pounds so far. But before this I was leaning on a more low carb high protein high fat diet. A lot of omega-3s and ironically from hemp seeds and chia seeds as well as salmon. I found my mental clarity to be well on that as well. Any time I had any decent amount of carbs my anxiety and negative self worth went up.

I will say this. A vegan or plant-based diet is probably healthier than most people in the modern society. But nothing shows that it's even close to optimal or actually healthy. The behaviours of the Vegan hard cores and the complete lack of flexibility and even discussion makes me have zero desires for that lifestyle.

Just admit you have a moral stance on killing animals instead of pretending you have 100-percent science that cannot be debated. Everything is debatable and current science shows that are mostly carbohydrate diet is beyond the concept of everything in moderation.

Hell it's possible to do vegan keto if you really believe in all plant based. But dammit if you can't back it up the best you close your mouth or in this case remove your thumbs.

The biggest irony of this fast with the person running it? He has people do the fast so they can enter ketosis. Then he preaches all carbs from the ground when we go back to reality.