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10-15-2018, 04:10 AM #61
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10-15-2018, 07:30 AM #62
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10-15-2018, 09:23 AM #63
A female can take multiple precautions to ensure that she NOT get pregnant. Said precautions are: 1) tubes tied - if she doesn't ever want to have kids 2) birth control + 3) make sure he wears a condom + 4) morning after pill for possible scares.
That combo would prevent 99% unwanted pregnancies. Abortions would not be needed. Ever.Thus let me live, unseen, unknown;
Thus unlamented let me die;
Steal from the world, and not a stone
Tell where I lie.
2/17/15 - Dunk Tank Results: 15% bf (Omron said 18.6%) - 123.4 lbs LBM
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10-15-2018, 09:29 AM #64
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10-15-2018, 09:38 AM #65
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10-15-2018, 10:31 AM #66
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10-15-2018, 10:33 AM #67
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10-15-2018, 10:35 AM #68
Abortions wouldn't be needed if both males and females used precautions.
People aren't consistent in their views. They pick and choose based on selfishness.
I ask why is the father not consulted before a woman decides to have an abortion? How inherently unfair is this system towards men?
If I were a dude, I'd be pissed about this injustice.Thus let me live, unseen, unknown;
Thus unlamented let me die;
Steal from the world, and not a stone
Tell where I lie.
2/17/15 - Dunk Tank Results: 15% bf (Omron said 18.6%) - 123.4 lbs LBM
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10-15-2018, 10:40 AM #69
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10-15-2018, 10:45 AM #70
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I've already clearly made my stance on where I feel the murder line is. If you aren't religious, seeing a fetus as an undeveloped low level organism is easy.
Screaming murder doesn't make it so. We just have a difference of opinion on where we draw the line.
Agreed. And? That's no reason to give up rights.
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10-16-2018, 03:21 AM #71
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Your damn opinion about abortion not considered as murder is just that, its an opinion not a fact.
Abortions are performed in the second and some case the third trimester. It's not just a small fetus cell.
If you actually look at the statistics, 90 something percent of all abortions occur due to selfishness rather over rape, incest, or medical reasons. In 2018, over 860,000 abortions have been commited so abortions commited because of selfish reasons is significantly greater than any other reason.
There shouldn't be a line of opinions about murder/abortions. If you feel you have a opinion about it then you are psychotic and should just join some cult.
"My body, my choice" JUST LOL at this statement..
What about the babies choice and their personal freedoms and individual rights? Just because they have the inability to speak because they are babies doesn't mean they do not have these natural born rights.
If you believe abortion is okay, then you're against your own Constitution of personal liberty.
*sips coffee
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10-16-2018, 04:20 AM #72
The foetus doesn't have a "right" to occupy the body of another. The right to let another individual occupy your body and sustain itself using your body rests with you.
The foetus's rights don't come into the equation here, the same way my "right" to demand a kidney from you if I needed it never enters the equation.
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10-16-2018, 04:27 AM #73
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I understand what you are trying to say but regardless of rights, it is still murder even if law allows it and calls it something else.
Just because you have the "right" to terminate a pregnancy doesn't make it morally correct. Slavery was part of the constitution before it was abolished, do we have rights to own slaves if law allows it?
Simple solution to abortion, do not have unprotected sex, take BC, plan-b pill, and have a strong pull out game..
The fact that abotions performing in the 2nd and 3rd trimester is so over looked its sad. Most people talk about the abortion of a cell and forget about actual humans being ripped apart..
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10-16-2018, 04:39 AM #74
It is not murder - if you let me die because you refuse to donate me some blood, is that murder?
The foetus is only alive because of its mothers body/organs. If the mother has autonomy over her body, then she should have the ability to choose whether to let the foetus inhabit her body or not, no? Why does denying this constitute murder?
If a woman were to terminate a foetus that can survive outside of her body (ie 24 weeks>) then, if it wasn't done without an exceptional reason, then you can call it immoral.
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10-16-2018, 04:51 AM #75
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How is ripping apart a baby inside the womb or sucking it out with a vacuum, not murder? Why does a mother wait 24 weeks (sometimes more) to change her mind about being a parent?
Like I said, if you don't want kids, then thats your choice. But getting pregnant even if it wasn't your choice is your fault for having unprotected sex and you live with the consequences of having sex.
Killing/murdering/executing babies because you decided not to be a parent is very irresponsible, cruel, selfish and evil thing you can do. Thats a fact - sorry bud. Murdering babies shouldn't be tolerated.
EDIT: Its obviously murder if you are charged with homicide of executing a baby secretly adding a pill in your signifcant others drink. Did you not read the article OP posted? If you believe otherwise, then you are indenial like the rest of the pro-choicers.
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10-16-2018, 04:53 AM #76
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10-16-2018, 04:55 AM #77
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10-16-2018, 04:56 AM #78
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10-16-2018, 04:57 AM #79
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10-16-2018, 05:07 AM #80
More emotional REEEEE but still not understanding the moral argument being presented.
Have a read of the following:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evictionism
It's basically the pro-choice position that most people subscribe to, but elaborated and defined a bit better. It wasn't put forward by a liberal, but an anarcho-capitalist, if that helps you approach the issue more rationally.
Read it and tell me if you're still not understanding how the thought process works. But simply larping about baby murder and parenting in the meantime is not an argument
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10-16-2018, 05:12 AM #81
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I don't need to understand the mindset and intentions of killing a innocent, defenseless baby. Again like I said, 98% of babies aborted this year are due to selfishness and there had been 860k abortions and counting this year alone.
There is no reason to kill a baby. Idc what kind of life the child grows up in either. Leave it up to the child to pick his/her path in life. The baby has rights, liberty, freedoms..
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10-16-2018, 05:15 AM #82
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10-16-2018, 05:15 AM #83
It's not that you don't "need" to understand, it's that you literally don't understand the concept of bodily autonomy and how it relates to a woman with a baby growing in her body. Fairly standard issue for conservatives.
Since you're incapable of understanding that there's nothing we're going to gain here from more of your emotional outbursts
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10-16-2018, 05:16 AM #84
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10-16-2018, 05:19 AM #85
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10-16-2018, 05:20 AM #86
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So you think this whole time with me debating with you I'm trying to find a common ground? I'm not lol
I won't come to a common ground with a person who thinks its okay to kill a baby regardless of any circumstance.
I will argue with you as long as you please though.
Me saying I don't need to understand/learn your logic means I just don't give a chit about understanding murderous logic.
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10-16-2018, 05:21 AM #87
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10-16-2018, 05:24 AM #88
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10-16-2018, 05:25 AM #89
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10-16-2018, 05:25 AM #90
It just means you aren't very bright. If you were, you'd understand why (1) one individual isn't morally obligated to give up their organs for use by another individual, and (2) they can retract that use if they want, even if (3) that results in the other individual dying.
But being a bit slow means you seem to equate this with murder, which it obviously isn't if you can follow the (completely uncontroversial) premises above.
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