I guess abortion is murder after all?

[rdwire88]

if you cease further growth of any organism that has DNA different than you, you're basically committing a killing. that's basic biology. whether if it's legal or not is the issue of morality and laws.

I agree with you 100% but laws and morality could both be subjective though..

I'm highly attempting to post this article on FB but I promised myself to never post anything political on FB again..

But this article can trigger so many people I know lol..

[Nihiliste]

The other case that causes NPC system crashes is to bring up mass abortion of female fetuses in countries like India and China.

I’ve never heard a pro-abortion drone give a satisfactory answer on how to morally process that phenomenon.

[MuzzieChik786]

Or you know he could have taken precautions to not get her pregnant in the first place.

Abortion or forcing an abortion isn’t a method to skip responsibility.

Let’s not act like most if these cases are guys using protection and pulling out. It’s ysually idiots raw dogging a rando cause it feels better

A female can take multiple precautions to ensure that she NOT get pregnant. Said precautions are: 1) tubes tied - if she doesn't ever want to have kids 2) birth control + 3) make sure he wears a condom + 4) morning after pill for possible scares.

That combo would prevent 99% unwanted pregnancies. Abortions would not be needed. Ever.

[BrocepCurls]

A female can take multiple precautions to ensure that she NOT get pregnant. Said precautions are: 1) tubes tied - if she doesn't ever want to have kids 2) birth control + 3) make sure he wears a condom + 4) morning after pill for possible scares.

That combo would prevent 99% unwanted pregnancies. Abortions would not be needed. Ever.

Those things should be done and encouraged and people educated better on prevention.

Abortion should also be available and safe.

Incredible how that works

[rdwire88]

A female can take multiple precautions to ensure that she NOT get pregnant. Said precautions are: 1) tubes tied - if she doesn't ever want to have kids 2) birth control + 3) make sure he wears a condom + 4) morning after pill for possible scares.

That combo would prevent 99% unwanted pregnancies. Abortions would not be needed. Ever.

Pro-choicers are the same people who hate guns (even used in self defense bc it's still considered "Murder") but also think killing babies are okay. lol wut?

[acrawlingchaos]

Pro-choicers are the same people who hate guns (even used in self defense bc it's still considered "Murder") but also think killing babies are okay. lol wut?

I'm Pro get the government out of people's affairs. Pro choice and Pro2A.

[rdwire88]

I'm Pro get the government out of people's affairs. Pro choice and Pro2A.

But its murder every one has the right to be involved to stop this man slaughter..literally man-slaughter.

[MuzzieChik786]

Those things should be done and encouraged and people educated better on prevention.

Abortion should also be available and safe.

Incredible how that works

Abortions wouldn't be needed if both males and females used precautions.

Pro-choicers are the same people who hate guns (even used in self defense bc it's still considered "Murder") but also think killing babies are okay. lol wut?

People aren't consistent in their views. They pick and choose based on selfishness.

I ask why is the father not consulted before a woman decides to have an abortion? How inherently unfair is this system towards men?

If I were a dude, I'd be pissed about this injustice.

[rdwire88]

Abortions wouldn't be needed if both males and females used precautions.



People aren't consistent in their views. They pick and choose based on selfishness.

I ask why is the father not consulted before a woman decides to have an abortion? How inherently unfair is this system towards men?

If I were a dude, I'd be pissed about this injustice.

This is why I sometimes disbelieve in Male-Privileges

[acrawlingchaos]

But its murder every one has the right to be involved to stop this man slaughter..literally man-slaughter.

I've already clearly made my stance on where I feel the murder line is. If you aren't religious, seeing a fetus as an undeveloped low level organism is easy.

Screaming murder doesn't make it so. We just have a difference of opinion on where we draw the line.

Abortions wouldn't be needed if both males and females used precautions.

Agreed. And? That's no reason to give up rights.

[rdwire88]

I've already clearly made my stance on where I feel the murder line is. If you aren't religious, seeing a fetus as an undeveloped low level organism is easy.

Screaming murder doesn't make it so. We just have a difference of opinion on where we draw the line.



Agreed. And? That's no reason to give up rights.

Your damn opinion about abortion not considered as murder is just that, its an opinion not a fact.

Abortions are performed in the second and some case the third trimester. It's not just a small fetus cell.

If you actually look at the statistics, 90 something percent of all abortions occur due to selfishness rather over rape, incest, or medical reasons. In 2018, over 860,000 abortions have been commited so abortions commited because of selfish reasons is significantly greater than any other reason.

There shouldn't be a line of opinions about murder/abortions. If you feel you have a opinion about it then you are psychotic and should just join some cult.

"My body, my choice" JUST LOL at this statement..

What about the babies choice and their personal freedoms and individual rights? Just because they have the inability to speak because they are babies doesn't mean they do not have these natural born rights.

If you believe abortion is okay, then you're against your own Constitution of personal liberty.

*sips coffee

[BrocepCurls]

What about the babies choice and their personal freedoms and individual rights? Just because they have the inability to speak because they are babies doesn't mean they do not have these natural born rights.

The foetus doesn't have a "right" to occupy the body of another. The right to let another individual occupy your body and sustain itself using your body rests with you.

The foetus's rights don't come into the equation here, the same way my "right" to demand a kidney from you if I needed it never enters the equation.

[rdwire88]

The foetus doesn't have a "right" to occupy the body of another. The right to let another individual occupy your body and sustain itself using your body rests with you.

The foetus's rights don't come into the equation here, the same way my "right" to demand a kidney from you if I needed it never enters the equation.

I understand what you are trying to say but regardless of rights, it is still murder even if law allows it and calls it something else.

Just because you have the "right" to terminate a pregnancy doesn't make it morally correct. Slavery was part of the constitution before it was abolished, do we have rights to own slaves if law allows it?

Simple solution to abortion, do not have unprotected sex, take BC, plan-b pill, and have a strong pull out game..

The fact that abotions performing in the 2nd and 3rd trimester is so over looked its sad. Most people talk about the abortion of a cell and forget about actual humans being ripped apart..

[BrocepCurls]

I understand what you are trying to say but regardless of rights, it is still murder even if law allows it and calls it something else.

Just because you have the "right" to terminate a pregnancy doesn't make it morally correct. Slavery was part of the constitution before it was abolished, do we have rights to own slaves if law allows it?

Simple solution to abortion, do not have unprotected sex, take BC, plan-b pill, and have a strong pull out game..

The fact that abotions performing in the 2nd and 3rd trimester is so over looked its sad. Most people talk about the abortion of a cell and forget about actual humans being ripped apart..

It is not murder - if you let me die because you refuse to donate me some blood, is that murder?

The foetus is only alive because of its mothers body/organs. If the mother has autonomy over her body, then she should have the ability to choose whether to let the foetus inhabit her body or not, no? Why does denying this constitute murder?

If a woman were to terminate a foetus that can survive outside of her body (ie 24 weeks>) then, if it wasn't done without an exceptional reason, then you can call it immoral.

[rdwire88]

It is not murder - if you let me die because you refuse to donate me some blood, is that murder?

The foetus is only alive because of its mothers body/organs. If the mother has autonomy over her body, then she should have the ability to choose whether to let the foetus inhabit her body or not, no? Why does denying this constitute murder?

If a woman were to terminate a foetus that can survive outside of her body (ie 24 weeks>) then, if it wasn't done without an exceptional reason, then you can call it immoral.

How is ripping apart a baby inside the womb or sucking it out with a vacuum, not murder? Why does a mother wait 24 weeks (sometimes more) to change her mind about being a parent?

Like I said, if you don't want kids, then thats your choice. But getting pregnant even if it wasn't your choice is your fault for having unprotected sex and you live with the consequences of having sex.

Killing/murdering/executing babies because you decided not to be a parent is very irresponsible, cruel, selfish and evil thing you can do. Thats a fact - sorry bud. Murdering babies shouldn't be tolerated.

EDIT: Its obviously murder if you are charged with homicide of executing a baby secretly adding a pill in your signifcant others drink. Did you not read the article OP posted? If you believe otherwise, then you are indenial like the rest of the pro-choicers.

[BrocepCurls]

How is ripping apart a baby inside the womb or sucking it out with a vacuum, not murder? Why does a mother wait 24 weeks (sometimes more) to change her mind about being a parent?

Like I said, if you don't want kids, then thats your choice. But getting pregnant even if it wasn't your choice is your fault for having unprotected sex and you live with the consequences of having sex.

Killing/murdering/executing babies because you decided not to be a parent is very irresponsible, cruel, selfish and evil thing you can do. Thats a fact - sorry bud. Murdering babies shouldn't be tolerated.

Taking a foetus out of a woman's body isn't murder because a foetus doesn't have a de facto right to its mother's organs, just like I don't have a right to your organs.

You seemed to understand the logic behind the pro-choice position, but then descended back into muh baby killing REEEEE.

[rdwire88]

Taking a foetus out of a woman's body isn't murder because a foetus doesn't have a de facto right to its mother's organs, just like I don't have a right to your organs.

You seemed to understand the logic behind the pro-choice position, but then descended back into muh baby killing REEEEE.

read my edit above your last post

[Cleveland33]

Taking a foetus out of a woman's body isn't murder because a foetus doesn't have a de facto right to its mother's organs, just like I don't have a right to your organs.

You seemed to understand the logic behind the pro-choice position, but then descended back into muh baby killing REEEEE.

Have you ever seen an abortion?

[rdwire88]

Taking a foetus out of a woman's body isn't murder because a foetus doesn't have a de facto right to its mother's organs, just like I don't have a right to your organs.

You seemed to understand the logic behind the pro-choice position, but then descended back into muh baby killing REEEEE.

Then you're a piece of chit human being if you think your life as a parent is more important than your childs. I'd die for each one of my kids, and I wouldnt even hesitate. I'd pull a John Q to save my kids life.

[BrocepCurls]

Then you're a piece of chit human being if you think your life as a parent is more important than your childs. I'd die for each one of my kids, and I wouldnt even hesitate. I'd pull a John Q to save my kids life.

More emotional REEEEE but still not understanding the moral argument being presented.

Have a read of the following:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evictionism

It's basically the pro-choice position that most people subscribe to, but elaborated and defined a bit better. It wasn't put forward by a liberal, but an anarcho-capitalist, if that helps you approach the issue more rationally.

Read it and tell me if you're still not understanding how the thought process works. But simply larping about baby murder and parenting in the meantime is not an argument

[rdwire88]

More emotional REEEEE but still not understanding the moral argument being presented.

Have a read of the following:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evictionism

It's basically the pro-choice position that most people subscribe to, but elaborated and defined a bit better. It wasn't put forward by a liberal, but an anarcho-capitalist, if that helps you approach the issue more rationally.

Read it and tell if you're still not understanding how the thought process works. But simply larping about baby murder and parenting in the meantime is not an argument

I don't need to understand the mindset and intentions of killing a innocent, defenseless baby. Again like I said, 98% of babies aborted this year are due to selfishness and there had been 860k abortions and counting this year alone.

There is no reason to kill a baby. Idc what kind of life the child grows up in either. Leave it up to the child to pick his/her path in life. The baby has rights, liberty, freedoms..

[Cleveland33]

More emotional REEEEE but still not understanding the moral argument being presented.

Have a read of the following:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evictionism

It's basically the pro-choice position that most people subscribe to, but elaborated and defined a bit better. It wasn't put forward by a liberal, but an anarcho-capitalist, if that helps you approach the issue more rationally.

Read it and tell me if you're still not understanding how the thought process works. But simply larping about baby murder and parenting in the meantime is not an argument

And why can't the same process be applied to animals?

[BrocepCurls]

I don't need to understand the mindset and intentions of killing a innocent, defenseless baby. Again like I said, 98% of babies aborted this year are due to selfishness and there had been 860k abortions and counting this year alone.

There is no reason to kill a baby. Idc what kind of life the child grows up in either. Leave it up to the child to pick his/her path in life. The baby has rights, liberty, freedoms..

It's not that you don't "need" to understand, it's that you literally don't understand the concept of bodily autonomy and how it relates to a woman with a baby growing in her body. Fairly standard issue for conservatives.

Since you're incapable of understanding that there's nothing we're going to gain here from more of your emotional outbursts

[BrocepCurls]

And why can't the same process be applied to animals?

What do animals have to do with this?

[Cleveland33]

What do animals have to do with this?

Your whole stance about killing animals being immoral

[rdwire88]

It's not that you don't "need" to understand, it's that you literally don't understand the concept of bodily autonomy and how it relates to a woman with a baby growing in her body.

Since you're incapable of understand that there's nothing we're going to gain here from more of your emotional outbursts

So you think this whole time with me debating with you I'm trying to find a common ground? I'm not lol

I won't come to a common ground with a person who thinks its okay to kill a baby regardless of any circumstance.

I will argue with you as long as you please though.

Me saying I don't need to understand/learn your logic means I just don't give a chit about understanding murderous logic.

[BrocepCurls]

Your whole stance about killing animals being immoral

If an dog is growing inside you and you want to remove it from your body, I'll have no objections to you doing so

[Cleveland33]

If an dog is growing inside you and you want to remove it from your body, I'll have no objections to you doing so

That's not the point, why is it immoral to kill a dog but not a baby?

[rdwire88]

That's not the point, why is it immoral to kill a dog but not a baby?

where did he say this?

[BrocepCurls]

So you think this whole time with me debating with you I'm trying to find a common ground? I'm not lol

I won't come to a common ground with a person who thinks its okay to kill a baby regardless of any circumstance.

I will argue with you as long as you please though.

Me saying I don't need to understand/learn your logic means I just don't give a chit about understanding murderous logic.

It just means you aren't very bright. If you were, you'd understand why (1) one individual isn't morally obligated to give up their organs for use by another individual, and (2) they can retract that use if they want, even if (3) that results in the other individual dying.

But being a bit slow means you seem to equate this with murder, which it obviously isn't if you can follow the (completely uncontroversial) premises above.