How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[thunderykoala]

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Are you denying that God said those words?

I'm referring to the God mentioned in the bible in the OT. Are you denying that the God depicted in the OT didn't say the words that he said in the bible?

Yeah, you're the one playing word games for sure. Pure Satanic.

That's basically how the conversation went. I cited a passage from the bible, and your response to that context was to A. say that the God I was referring to was the Catholic God (bear in mind I cited Yahweh from the OT) and B. align Yahweh and what he said with Satan and Satanic word games.

[BrosefMengele]

Yahweh's words in the OT = Satanic word games to you.

Did you just pay lip service to Yahoweh the God of the Jews? Your trinity god won't like that.

[thunderykoala]

Did you just pay lip service to Yahoweh the God of the Jews?

What are you even talking about? I cited a passage from the OT and you went on about Catholicism and Satan. Are you legit ADHD or something?

[BrosefMengele]

It's so funny all of the sudden you start using the name after hundreds of posts without saying that. Yahoweh is not a "trinity"..

[thunderykoala]

It's so funny all of the sudden you start using the name after hundreds of posts without saying that. Yahoweh is not a "trinity"..

I've used the name several times, including in Greek. But in this instance I cited a passage of something that God said in the OT (that's in the bible). And your response was to say say that I was talking about the Catholic God. When I stated again that I was referring to a biblical passage mentioned by God, you then brought up Satan. Surely you can see how that looks.

But I'll try again. The passage I cited, do you agree that those were words that God spoke? "I am the first and the last."

[BrosefMengele]

Yahoweh is not a "trinity"; you just spent your last hundred posts trying to prove that God is a trinity and now you are paying lip service to the Living God Yahoweh. Are you aware that Yahoweh is not three different beings? Did you have a change of heart?

[BrosefMengele]

Jer 27
4And thou hast commanded them for their lords, saying, Thus said Yahoweh of Hosts, God of Israel, 5Thus do ye say unto your lords, I — I have made the earth with man, and the cattle that [are] on the face of the earth, by My great power, and by My stretched-out arm, and I have given it to whom it hath been right in Mine eyes.

[BrosefMengele]

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

[thunderykoala]

Yahoweh is not a "trinity"; you just spent your last hundred posts trying to prove that God is a trinity but now you are paying lip service to the Living God Yahoweh. Are you aware that Yahoweh is not three different beings? Did you have a change of heart?

So you are ADHD and can't address a simple point. I'll keep that in mind.

[BrosefMengele]

So you are ADHD and can't address a simple point. I'll keep that in mind.

You're just afraid to say that Yahoweh is a trinity.

[thunderykoala]

You're just afraid to say that Yahoweh is a trinity.

That'd be you, bud. You're the one who doesn't accept the Trinity.

[BrosefMengele]

That'd be you, bud. You're the one who doesn't accept the Trinity.

Deut 6:4 says Yahoweh is One, Yahoweh, alone, etc.

If you want to worship Yahoweh that's fine but that is not compatible with the trinity doctrine. (The trinity doctrine of the Catholic Church which you teach).

[thunderykoala]

Deut 6:4 says Yahoweh is One, Yahoweh, alone, etc.

If you want to worship Yahoweh that's fine but that is not compatible with the trinity doctrine. (The trinity doctrine of the Catholic Church which you teach).

Refer to what you said and consider why I might have responded like I did. Let's just say that I'm not afraid to call God a Trinity, so I'm not even sure why you'd say I'm afraid to when that's pretty much all I've been saying. It seemed odd. Did you make a typo?

[BrosefMengele]

Yahoweh is the Father.

[BrosefMengele]

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father [Yahoweh], from whom all things came and for whom we exist.

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Deut 6:4 Yahoweh is our God, Yahoweh alone.

John 8:54
"it is my Father who is glorifying me, of whom ye say that He is your God;"

[thunderykoala]

Yahoweh is the Father.

Yahweh means Lord, or I am. God identified himself as Lord and I am. Jesus is referred to as Lord, and said "I am". Both the original Greek (the original language of the NT) and the English-translated NT attest to that. The bible refers to The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as Yahweh. Thus, Yahweh is the name of God. You're the only one who is afraid to refer to God as a Trinity. Not me. So I'm not sure why you originally said that to me as if I was, because I'm not. God is a trinity.

[BrosefMengele]

Yahweh means Lord

WHAT

Yahoweh is the name of the ONE God, the FATHER. And His name is HOLY; you better stop using it for your own sake. You're a blasphemer.

[BrosefMengele]

The bible refers to The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as Yahweh.

That is just plain wrong and a lie.

[thunderykoala]

WHAT

Yahoweh is the name of the ONE God, the FATHER. And His name is HOLY; you better stop using it for your own sake. You're a blasphemer.

That is just plain wrong and a lie.

Try reading the bible sometime. All of the information I mentioned is provided in there. And if you look at the original language of the OT and NT, you'll find how Yahweh is translated. It is usually translated as "Lord" and "I am that I am."

[BrosefMengele]

Try reading the bible sometime. All of the information I mentioned is provided in there.

Are we done now

[thunderykoala]

Are we done now

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that the information I provided can't be found in the bible? If that's what you're thinking, then be prepared to have scripture thrown at you that you will just ignore like you have many times before because it doesn't fit your personal perception of Christianity.

[BrosefMengele]

You seriously think Yahoweh means "lord' lol...... BAAL means lord.


It's a name, the name of the One God, the Father.


I am the done now; hopefully many find this thread useful.

[thunderykoala]

You seriously think Yahoweh means "lord' lol......

You're the one who tries to pass himself off as a linguistic and biblical scholar. So you look into it and tell me what you personally find since you've been the one using the original language of the bible to make certain claims. What is Yahweh translated to in NT Greek and English? You tell me and post the information you find.

[BrosefMengele]

You're the one who tries to pass himself off as a linguistic and biblical scholar. So you look into it and tell me what you personally find since you've been the one using the original language of the bible to make certain claims. What is Yahweh translated to in NT Greek and English? You tell me and post the information you find.

It's the name of God.

The Father.

The Messiah's name is Yahushua, they are not the same being.

[thunderykoala]

It's the name of God.

The Father.

The Messiah's name is Yahushua, they are not the same being.

We'll attempt to do this piecemeal (although I should've learned by now that you don't address points). What does the bible, both NT Greek and English, translate Yahweh as?

[BrosefMengele]

We'll attempt to do this piecemeal (although I should've learned by now that you don't address points). What does the bible, both NT Greek and English, translate Yahweh as?

“…the suppression
of The Name (Jehovah)
has entailed upon the reader,
and especially upon the hearer,
irreparable loss…
its suppression was a MISTAKE…”
–Rotherham, 1, Ch. IV, 22-29

“…the most common “ERROR” made by most
translators in the last 3500 years…is their
elimination of heaven’s revealed Name of
the Most High, Yahweh (Jehovah)”
– A. B. Traina;
in the Preface of the Holy Name Bible

“The substitution of the word “Lord” is most unhappy;
for…it in NO WAY represents the meaning of the
sacred name (Jehovah)…”
– The 1872 edition of Smith’s Bible Dictionary

“In the first two centuries nearly all the
various readings of the New Testament came
into existence, the majority of them by
deliberate alteration of the text…in the
interests of (the trinity) dogma…”
-the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics;
The Bible in the Church

“Codex B (Vaticanus)…was altered by a later hand
in more than two thousand places. Eusebius, therefore,
is not without grounds for accusing the adherents
of….the newly-risen doctrine of the trinity
of falsifying the Bible…”
-(Fraternal Visitor 1924, p. 148;
translated from Christadelphian Monatshefte).

“The removal of the Tetragrammaton (Jehovah)
from the New Testament and its replacement
with the surrogates KYRIOS and THEOS blurred
the original distinction between the Lord God
and the Lord Christ, and in many passages
made it impossible which one was meant.
As time went on…it was often impossible
to distinguish between them. Thus it may be
that the removal of the Tetragrammaton (Jehovah)
contributed significantly to the later…Trinity “
– George Howard, Bible Scholar ;
The Name of God in the New Testament,
BAR 4.1 (March 1978), pg 15
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“It was they who demanded, in effect,
that Christianity be “updated” by blurring
or even obliterating the long-accepted
distinction between the Father and the Son.”
– When Jesus Became God
by Richard E. Rubenstein, p.74

God’s name Jehovah/Yahowah appears in the original hebrew
text about 7000 times, but the NIV fails to mention it even once.
When asked about this, Edwin H. Palmer, Th.D.,
Executive Secretary for the NIV’s committee wrote :

“Here is why we did not : You are right – that Jehovah is
a distinctive name for God and ideally we should have
used it. But we put 2 1/4 million dollars into this
translation and a sure way of throwing that
down the drain is to translate, for example,
Psalm 23 as, ‘Yahweh (Jehovah) is my shepherd.‘
Immediately, we would have translated for nothing.
Nobody would have used it (or purchased it).
Oh, maybe you and a handful [of] others.
But a Christian has to be also wise and practical.
We are the victims of 350 years of the King James tradition.
It is far better to get two million to read it-
that is how many have bought it to date-
and to follow the King James, than to have two thousand
buy it and have the correct translation of Yahweh(Jehovah)
. . . It was a hard decision, and many of our translators
agree with you.”
– The Reason NIV removed Jehovah’s Name
Edwin H. Palmer, Th.D.,
Executive Secretary for the NIV‘s committee

“The situation today, where many translations…
exists largely because of the amount of money
to be gained…”
-(The Preservation of the Bible By Faithful Churches)
–By Charles V. Turner

“…Yahweh (Jehovah), is the proper personal name
of the God of Israel…the term Adonai, ‘My Lord’
was later used as a SUBSTITUTE. The word LORD
in the present version represents
the TRADITIONAL usage.”
– New American Bible (Catholic)
Introduction to the O. T., Page XI.

“In this translation
we have followed
the orthodox Jewish TRADITION
and substituted ‘the Lord’
for the name ‘Yahweh’ (Jehovah)”
— Preface – 1935 Bible ;
J. M. Powis Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed

“Jesus replied,
“And why do you break the command of God
for the sake of your tradition?
…Thus you nullify the word of God
for the sake of your tradition. “
(Matthew 15:3,6)(NIV)-

[BrosefMengele]

“When the Yisraeli (Israelites) came out of Babylonian
captivity, they brought along with them the Babylonian
culture, and along with it Babylonian beliefs and
superstitions. One of these pagan Babylonian practices
or beliefs was called “ineffability.”
This was the SUPERSTITION against using the name
of a deity for fear of something bad happening to them.
The idea was that if you said the name of a deity
he or she would notice you. The pagan practice of
ineffability was further reinforced by Greek
Hellenization.”
-(b.Pes. 50a) (b.Kidd. 71a).

“The avoidance of the original name of God (Yehowah)
both in speech and, to a certain extent, in the Bible…..
first arose…..in Babylonia. According to Dalman
(l.c. pp. 66 et seq.),”
-The Jewish Encyclopedia
TETRAGRAMMATON; by
Crawford Howell Toy, and Ludwig Blau

“The idea that only the priest could utter
The NAME of The HEAVENLY FATHER, and that he
was to disguise or hide it from the common people,
came from the idea that the NAME was “ineffable”
or “unutterable”. However this was a pagan doctrine
that they adopted from the Egyptians, Babylonians,
and the Greeks…”
-THE FINAL REFORMATION; KOSTER P.54, P112

Herodotus correctly calls the supreme god of Babylon
Bêl (“lord”), because his real name was not pronounced.
-[Herodotus, Histories 1.181-2;
tr. Aubrey de Sélincourt]

“The ineffability of divine names
was on old idea in Egypt…
the name of Osiris himself was said
to be ineffable…the name Marduk of Babylon
was also declared ineffable. The Greeks
avoided the names of their deities
and preferred to call them by
the titles Kurios and Theos.”
-The Final Reformation
By Dr. Koster; pp. 54 and 112

“…But at least by the third century B.C.E.
the pronunciation of the name YHWH (Jehovah)
was avoided, and Adonai, “the Lord,”
was substituted for it…”
– Encyclopedia Judaica (p. 679).

“The Hebrews considered The Name of God
to be ‘ineffable’ and substituted in reading
Adonai (My Lord).”
-Columbia Encyclopedia Vol. 2
under the subject ‘God’

“…The Sacred Name Yahovah
was revealed to man by Yahovah Himself
and is not a man-given name”
-(see II Apol., 10, 13; Trypho, 126, 127).

“Yahweh (Jehovah) is the name
that indicates the God of the Hebrews.
Where the Philistines worshipped Dagon,
the Egyptians, Amon, and the Ammonites, Milcom,
the Hebrews worshipped YAHWEH (Jehovah).
The title ‘god’ (elohim) is ALSO applied to false deities
in the Scriptures as well as Yahweh (Jehovah),
hence is NOT a term by which one can be
distinguished from the others.
When the voice said, ‘I am Yahweh (Jehovah),’
there was no doubt in any listener’s mind
as to the identity of the speaker.
He was the God of the Hebrews.
So far as is known, no other peoples
called their god by this name.”
– Review and Herald, December 16, 1971

“In the Scriptures there is the closest possible relationship
between a person and his name, the two being practically
equivalent, so that to remove the name
is to extinguish the person. (Num. 27:4; Deut. 7:24)
To forget God’s name is to depart from Him.”
–Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary, p. 571 (1964)

“As a follower of Christ,
Peter used Gods name, Jehovah.
When Peters speech was put on record
the Tetragrammaton (YHWH / Jehovah) was here used
according to the practice during the first
century B.C.E. and the first century C.E.”
– Paul Kahle; Studia Evangelica, edited by Kurt Aland,
F. L. Cross, Jean Danielou, Harald Riesenfeld
and W. C. van Unnik, Berlin, 1959, p. 614
(See App 1C §1.)

“The early Christian scholars therefore
easily learnt the true pronunciation.”
–The 15th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica,
volume 12, p. 995, under the heading “Jehovah”

“The ASV (American Standard Version)
has “Jehovah” in it about 6,823 times,
just like the original Hebrew,
but the NASB removed it every time.
This makes for some awkward situations
like Psalms 110:1, “The LORD said to my lord.” “
-Jason Beduhn
Northern Arizona University
Department of Humanities Arts and Religion

[thunderykoala]

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You're a conundrum. You present the bible as being self-contradictory. You cite the bible to assert your claims (which entails authority in the bible's credibility), even going so far as to use its original languages to make claims, but then you cite sources that make the bible appear fallible (which entails making the bible look less credible or not credible at all). Also, the name Jehovah was a Catholic invention, attributed to a monk in most cases. But in actuality, it could be said that Yahweh was a name mentioned by God to represent his state of being. That's where "I am who I am" comes from. So yes, it's the name for God. It's translated as both Lord and I am. And the way it's presented in the bible let's you know with certainty that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have been recognized under that expression of God's state of being.

[Paddington]

You're a conundrum. You present the bible as being self-contradictory. You cite the bible to assert your claims (which entails authority in the bible's credibility), even going so far as to use its original languages to make claims, but then you cite sources that make the bible appear fallible (which entails making the bible look less credible or not credible at all). Also, the name Jehovah was a Catholic invention, attributed to a monk in most cases. But in actuality, it could be said that Yahweh was a name mentioned by God to represent his state of being. That's where "I am who I am" comes from. So yes, it's the name for God. It's translated as both Lord and I am. And the way it's presented in the bible let's you know with certainty that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have been recognized under that expression of God's state of being.

BrosefMengele is NOT looking for the truth. He just wants to argue for some unknown reason. The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and he won't admit it.

[BrosefMengele]

BrosefMengele is NOT looking for the truth. He just wants to argue for some unknown reason. The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and he won't admit it.

God is spirit. NOT flesh. Jesus said so Himself.

You liar