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    What is the future of conservatism post Trump?

    Just an interesting question. Where do you see conservatism in about 10 years time?

    Do you see the conservative movement being more popular? Less? Do you think it's dying now? Keep in mind the demographic changes (boomers dying etc)

    What policies do you think conservatism will be about? Mostly focused on social issues (abortion, gay rights etc) or fiscal issues? How do you think the student debt bubble having popped will affect politics?

    Do you think Trump will inspire a new generation of conservatives? Or is the Trump presidency just the death knell of conservatism as we know it?
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    IMO Trump has caused a great liberal awakening. Conservatism in America will be dead by the 2030s.
    digitalchi;1556326171: "imagine him not only getting elected in 2020 but also in 2024 due to some pro trump movement.

    Is there anything in the rules that prevents you from getting elected even though you dont run? I know you technically cant run for a 3rd term"
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    Originally Posted by Judge_Joe_Brown View Post
    Just an interesting question. Where do you see conservatism in about 10 years time?

    Do you see the conservative movement being more popular? Less? Do you think it's dying now? Keep in mind the demographic changes (boomers dying etc)

    What policies do you think conservatism will be about? Mostly focused on social issues (abortion, gay rights etc) or fiscal issues? How do you think the student debt bubble having popped will affect politics?

    Do you think Trump will inspire a new generation of conservatives? Or is the Trump presidency just the death knell of conservatism as we know it?
    After an implosion of some sort, Trump's influence will be that of re-assessment for Conservatives. American Conservatives will deliberate and work on re-defining and clarifying Conservatism.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    IMO Trump has caused a great liberal awakening. Conservatism in America will be dead by the 2030s.
    No.
    Liberals, American Liberals, do not stand on any solid moral foundation. Their moral relativism will ultimately lead to their own demise. After a (short) period of domination in American domestic politics, they'll fracture into different groups and start fighting each other. Around that time, when Liberals are divided, Conservatives, who by then would have re-assessed and re-defined their policies and ideology will have a more unified voice and will take over.
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    Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand. (1 Samuel 17:50)
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    Conservatives have multiple people who can step up to the plate as leaders, unlike liberals who have no leader post-Obama.
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    I think the trump cult and GOP as a whole are a sickness upon America.

    The first and foremost problem of the GOP is that they seem incapable of electing a strong, moral leader that both sides can rally behind. In the recent generation Bush had the wars for support (which then turned to unfavorable when the smoke cleared) and we all know how big of a scumbag trump is. Usually the intelligent, level-headed republicans are considered pariahs and or too-far center for the GOP.

    conservatives will probably look to economic nationalism (like trump has been doing but with more reasonable means)

    -small government
    -low taxes
    -strong borders and military
    -state rights
    -free market

    If the left go too far left, all it takes is an intelligent leader who can raise these talking points without coming off as racist or angry.

    Because under the left leadership the debt is going to continue increasing, taxes and inflation will rise, government will continue to bloat, the federal government will continue to seek power, the borders will continue to erode. Most of these will happen regardless of which party is in power but the right have the platform to combat it.
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    He mobilizes a lotta crazies for some reason, and he doesn't condemn them enough. So...I dunno. Hopefully the lunatic fringe wingnuts don't take over. They're not even for small government. They're just like super nationalistic.
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    Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer View Post
    He mobilizes a lotta crazies for some reason, and he doesn't condemn them enough. So...I dunno. Hopefully the lunatic fringe wingnuts don't take over. They're not even for small government. They're just like super nationalistic.
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    arent the conservatives today the liberals of the past and the conservatives in the future will be the liberals today?
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    IMO Trump has caused a great liberal awakening. Conservatism in America will be dead by the 2030s.

    Let's hope not. Ture conservatisms, which is about reinforcing the foundation of our nation and true liberalism which is about reaching for the skies has a natural and necessary dynamic IMHO. Both are right, both are required for long term stability and both need each other. again IMHO.

    Originally Posted by S0Jack3d View Post
    Conservatives have multiple people who can step up to the plate as leaders, unlike liberals who have no leader post-Obama.
    Some funny named Senator who happened to give a great speech went on to greatness. We don't know who will rise and shine yet.the pool is deep.

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    ... correct response.

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    arent the conservatives today the liberals of the past and the conservatives in the future will be the liberals today?
    Yes, but let's focus on who and where we are today. Nobody think that just because Lincoln was pro- minority that that is a reason why they should be pro- minority. and I don't want to be inflammatory but that is how it was seen in the 1860's. Each party has their roots, but they are made up from the aspirations of the people whom are with them today. Each party is nothing like their past. They are made up of who we are now. I'm a democrat.... but I hate the history that the party has with respect to slavery. I'm certain the opposite is true for many of the Trumpkins here.

    to bring up this point is just to confirm that you are either in college, or haven't been exposed to enough life to get over college.
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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    Conservatism died decades ago. Neo-conservatism took over both parties, and Trump is the only thing that stopped it. Last true conservative was JFK funny enough. Trump is a populist...but I don't see anymore populists running for office sadly.

    This. It will just be some neocon globalist war hawk. lol at liberals who think the MSM is on Trump's ass because he is "a conservative". Trump used to be a democrat and supported abortion. Hes probably an atheist. MSM is on Trumps ass because he is not a controlled puppet. Why do you think they slobber on McCain's cock, because he was one of their puppets.

    Liberals minds are going to be blown next election cycle when the republican candidate gets kiddie glove treatment and not what they were used to getting with Trump.
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    Down the line it will be alt-right vs. hard line social-democrats and even neo-marxists.
    Center will be obliterated and that includes current system democrats/republican.
    Its only a matter of time.
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    IMO Trump has caused a great liberal awakening. Conservatism in America will be dead by the 2030s.
    Liberalism is currently dead and has been replaced by leftism/authoritarianism.
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    Trump isnt a conservative. Anything but a liberal will donjust fine
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    Two possibilities:

    1) The Democratic party can start moving in a decidedly anti-Western direction much like Labor in the UK (which is basically just a front group for Russia and Iran at the moment). This was a distinct possibility until the election of Trump, which has helped inject a little tiny hint of patriotism and nationalism into the party. If this does happen, the GOP will just be the "establishment party", made up of neoconservatives and liberals, leaving the Dems the party of the left, which because of the ideological incoherence will permanently be fighting each other. I see this as unlikely at present.

    2) The Democrats absorb a lot of the neocons (this is already underway) and they become the globalist party. However, in the urban centers, progressivism runs strong, and there is a permanent civil war between the progressives and the liberals in the Democratic party. The GOP then becomes the party of the nationalists, which stands for aggressive border control, a welfare state (but a welfare state for Americans only), and an opponent of trade liberalization (protectionism). The GOP will move from Sean Hannity's braindead ideology to the ideology of Tucker Carlson. I see this as the most likely possibility.

    While the traditional conservative ideology has died off, by no means does that mean Democrat dominance forever. Dems are reasonably united now because of the dumpster fire of the Trump admin, but once that is done, they will be at each other's throats.
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