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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I guess as much as it seems silly to me to care for a plant as an emotional and intelligent being you aren't wrong. We don;t know what we don't know.
    It's reasonable to believe that plants can't suffer, given what we understand about sensory pain receptors and the link to consciousness/brain.

    There's a scale, and humans are at the top of the list in terms of capacity to suffer. Primates aren't far behind, then animals.
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    It's reasonable to believe that plants can't suffer, given what we understand about sensory pain receptors and the link to consciousness/brain.

    There's a scale, and humans are at the top of the list in terms of capacity to suffer. Primates aren't far behind, then animals.


    And the angel of the lord came unto me
    Snatching me up from my place of slumber
    And took me on high and higher still
    Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself
    And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest
    And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil
    One thousand nay a million voices full of fear
    And terror possessed me then
    And I begged Angel of the Lord what are these tortured screams?
    And the angel said unto me
    These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
    You see, Reverend Maynard
    Tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust
    And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
    Like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared
    "Hear me now, I have seen the light!
    They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
    Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    It's reasonable to believe that plants can't suffer, given what we understand about sensory pain receptors and the link to consciousness/brain.

    There's a scale, and humans are at the top of the list in terms of capacity to suffer. Primates aren't far behind, then animals.
    Maybe they suffer in a different way that we are unaware of. Perhaps the plants are our gods masking their true abilities to our small brains that can't comprehend what they really are.
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    Originally Posted by 4ea View Post
    yea, this is the kind of thing that most people dont ever consider, but i maintain that if a plant is alive then it probably is able to sense when its been ripped out of the ground and chopped up. and it is unfortunate, but we need to eat to survive.
    Pain is just our response to something threatening our survival right? Plants definitely have a self preserving response which is essential for any life form with continuity but they are less related to us then animals so the response is less familiar to us.

    Everything we eat, we share a common ancestor with, kinda creepy
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    Originally Posted by IronCharles View Post
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    And took me on high and higher still
    Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself
    And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest
    And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the soil
    One thousand nay a million voices full of fear
    And terror possessed me then
    And I begged Angel of the Lord what are these tortured screams?
    And the angel said unto me
    These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
    You see, Reverend Maynard
    Tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust
    And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
    Like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared
    "Hear me now, I have seen the light!
    They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
    Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!
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    What's shaking guys/gals?

    I had a great spring break, finished second in a tennis tournament, saw Kong vs. Godzilla which was great! #TeamGodzilla

    Hope you're all doing well.
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    Originally Posted by taydbear7 View Post
    What's shaking guys/gals?

    I had a great spring break, finished second in a tennis tournament, saw Kong vs. Godzilla which was great! #TeamGodzilla

    Hope you're all doing well.
    So you rich now?
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    So you rich now?
    Enough to buy 2 Happy Meals now.
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    Originally Posted by taydbear7 View Post
    Enough to buy 2 Happy Meals now.
    Guess the tournament wasn't the Australian Open.

    Pretty cool though. Congratulations. I like tennis a lot, but got into it too late to develop and real skills.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Guess the tournament wasn't the Australian Open.

    Pretty cool though. Congratulations. I like tennis a lot, but got into it too late to develop and real skills.
    Never too late to pick up the game.
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    Originally Posted by taydbear7 View Post
    Never too late to pick up the game.
    Yea I want to start playing again this year, took a short 10 year break
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    I played tennis in high school during one year. It's a fun sport. Something I've thought about getting back into.
    - Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    It's reasonable to believe that plants can't suffer, given what we understand about sensory pain receptors and the link to consciousness/brain.

    There's a scale, and humans are at the top of the list in terms of capacity to suffer. Primates aren't far behind, then animals.
    i dont entirely believe that. do you think a tree is able to sense when someone walks up to it wit a chainsaw and cuts it down?

    keep in mind, we know literally nothing about consciousness.

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    Originally Posted by 4ea View Post
    i dont entirely believe that. do you think a tree is able to sense when someone walks up to it wit a chainsaw and cuts it down?

    keep in mind, we know literally nothing about consciousness.
    I don’t think it’s accurate to say we know literally nothing. There are very strong links between the brain and consciousness (at least in terms of awareness, capacity to suffer etc).

    So no I don’t think plants or trees have consciousness. It’s also important to distinguish between an automatic stimulus response (eg a plant responding to touching its leaves in defense) and consciousness.

    Do you think your guns might have consciousness?
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    I don’t think it’s accurate to say we know literally nothing. There are very strong links between the brain and consciousness (at least in terms of awareness, capacity to suffer etc).

    So no I don’t think plants or trees have consciousness. It’s also important to distinguish between an automatic stimulus response (eg a plant responding to touching its leaves in defense) and consciousness.

    Do you think your guns might have consciousness?
    Your feelings on bigfoot and aliens?
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    Your feelings on bigfoot and aliens?
    Bigfoot - improbable, probably bears walking, but open to the possibility.

    Aliens - other advanced lifeforms are statistically likely to exist, given the sheer size of the universe.
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    Bigfoot - improbable, probably bears walking, but open to the possibility.

    Aliens - other advanced lifeforms are statistically likely to exist, given the sheer size of the universe.
    You just convinced me Bigfoot is walking alien bears
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    You just convinced me Bigfoot is walking alien bears

    Sasquatch is real.


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    Bigfoot - improbable, probably bears walking, but open to the possibility.

    Aliens - other advanced lifeforms are statistically likely to exist, given the sheer size of the universe.
    On Aliens I agree, but my dumb level statistics would say it;a unlikely us and them cross paths within our lifetimes.
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    I don’t think it’s accurate to say we know literally nothing. There are very strong links between the brain and consciousness (at least in terms of awareness, capacity to suffer etc).

    So no I don’t think plants or trees have consciousness. It’s also important to distinguish between an automatic stimulus response (eg a plant responding to touching its leaves in defense) and consciousness.

    Do you think your guns might have consciousness?
    bro, we know literally nothing about consciousness. a plant is a living thing that grows and can die, a firearm is an inanimate object, so no, i dont think my guns have consciousness.
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    On Aliens I agree, but my dumb level statistics would say it;a unlikely us and them cross paths within our lifetimes.

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    Calvin and Hobbes is amazing. A childhood favorite and reading it now and then as adult you see how intelligent it was.
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    Tried to replace a leaky sillcock and ended up breaking the water line under the house. Had to replace a section of pipe, added a shut off valve and put in a new bib. Big fun!


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    Same ol' same ol'.


    Tried to replace a leaky sillcock and ended up breaking the water line under the house. Had to replace a section of pipe, added a shut off valve and put in a new bib. Big fun!


    You?
    Damn, that's a job. I just overpay rent in the city instead and call maintenance like a bitch

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    I am far from being vegan because I ate two tasty chicken sandwiches yesterday but it's mind blowing to.me that as advanced humans we are still doing something as barbaric as killing another living creature for our consumption.
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