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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    wtf are you talking about. my post has nothing to do with being anti russia..
    this is about how the president positions himself and his country as it pertains to russia

    again..

    - america deserves a president that would rather be on putin's staff?
    - we deserve a president that trashes his own country in the presence of his foe?
    - Says you're not anti-Russia
    - Calls Putin a "foe"
    - Why do liberals do this?

    Let me remind you of what Democrats said in 2012:

    Romney, who calls Russia our "No. 1 geopolitical foe," doesn't seem to realize it's the 21st century. #RomneyNotReady
    - The Democrats - https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/sta...97619862835201

    After all, you don't call Russia our No. 1 enemy -- not Al-Qaida, Russia -- unless you're still stuck in a Cold War mind warp.
    - Barack Obama at the 2012 DNC - http://www.npr.org/2012/09/06/160713...vention-speech

    You (Romney) said Russia (was our no. 1 enemy), in the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years. But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s.
    - Barack Obama during 2012 Presidential debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM)

    "Mitt Romney talks like he's seen Russia by watching Rocky IV.
    The DNC even made a poster mocking Romney about watching Rocky IV to get his foreign policy: https://theintercept.com/wp-uploads/...omneykerry.jpg

    - John Kerry at the 2012 DNC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUyqLrgO7Q

    Its someone dated to be looking backwards.
    - Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Romney's views on Russia http://www.redstate.com/erick/2014/0...r-comparisons/

    Vice President Joe Biden assailed Mitt Romney as “fundamentally wrong” and “totally out of touch” on foreign policy in a campaign speech Thursday — contrasting that to a record of President Barack Obama’s tough but right choices.

    Drawing contrasts between President Barack Obama and comments Romney has made on the campaign trail in 2008 and this year, Biden attacked the former Massachusetts governor for being “one of a small group of Cold War holdovers,” for naming Russia as a major threat to the United States and at times referring to Soviets.

    "[b]I don’t know whether it’s a slip of the tongue or a mind-set … Everybody slips. I never do, but everyone does,**” Biden said in a self-deprecating nod to his own gaffes.
    - Then VP Joe Biden http://www.politico.com/story/2012/0...-policy-075653

    VLADIVOSTOK, Russia — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia sauntered into American presidential politics on Thursday, praising President Obama as “a very honest man” and chastising the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, for describing Russia as “without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.”
    - The New York Times September 2012 archive.is/IsUS9

    After the election I have more flexibility.
    - Obama to Russia/Putin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

    Trade With Russia Is a Win-Win. By making Moscow a normal trading partner, Congress would create American jobs and advance human rights.
    - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...75061208876588
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    ^^^ youre focused on the wrong thing. russie could be a foe or friend

    what happened today was awful
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    ^^^ youre focused on the wrong thing. russie could be a foe or friend

    what happened today was awful
    Russia is a friend because they back Assad.

    Our Neocon government wants to get rid of Assad, just like Saddam. How can you not see that? If Putin didn't back Assad I wouldn't give one eff about Russia.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Obama was more pro-Russia in 2012 than Trump was in 2016. Obama would insult and trash anyone who talked bad about Russia.
    And Obama was rightfully called out by Republicans as America-blaming. Trump should receive the same feedback
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Russia is a friend because they back Assad.

    Our Neocon government wants to get rid of Assad, just like Saddam. How can you not see that? If Putin didn't back Assad I wouldn't give one eff about Russia.
    Why are you shilling for Assad now? It's one thing to say you don't give a fuk about Syria or Assad and don't want the US involved either way. That's pretty much how I feel. But you're going beyond that, saying that Russia is good because they involved themselves in a foreign civil war and backed a brutal dictator. Why is that?
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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    Why are you shilling for Assad now? It's one thing to say you don't give a fuk about Syria or Assad and don't want the US involved either way. That's pretty much how I feel. But you're going beyond that, saying that Russia is good because they involved themselves in a foreign civil war and backed a brutal dictator. Why is that?
    Because of the Iraq war. How have you forgotten the Iraq War so soon?
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    And Obama was rightfully called out by Republicans as America-blaming. Trump should receive the same feedback
    LMAO when Romney said Russia was our threat Democrats said he wasn't even QUALIFIED to be President.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Because of the Iraq war. How have you forgotten the Iraq War so soon?
    As usual, I can't really follow your mental illness riddled train of thought. Did Assad have something to do with the Iraq War in your mind? You do know Syria is already at war, right? And most sane people at the time of the Iraq War would have said "I don't give a fuk about Hussein, it's not worth it", not "I support Hussein and he should be saved by the Russians".
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    LMAO when Romney said Russia was our threat Democrats said he wasn't even QUALIFIED to be President.
    I know. I don't understand what that has to do with my comment
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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    As usual, I can't really follow your mental illness riddled train of thought. Did Assad have something to do with the Iraq War in your mind? You do know Syria is already at war, right? And most sane people at the time of the Iraq War would have said "I don't give a fuk about Hussein, it's not worth it", not "I support Hussein and he should be saved by the Russians".
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    [quote] Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq—an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right—as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.[/qute]
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    I know. I don't understand what that has to do with my comment
    Why should I believe a word Democrats say about Russia?
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    I know. I don't understand what that has to do with my comment
    nolibs keeps doing that. he's all over the place. i would wager that he has 3 talking points, and he is forced to choose between the 3. even if all 3 points dont pertain to your comment
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    nolibs keeps doing that. he's all over the place. i would wager that he has 3 talking points, and he is forced to choose between the 3. even if all 3 points dont pertain to your comment
    Why should I believe a word of what you guys about Russia?
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    " Republican Patriots: Where are you?"
    waiting to get voted out lol

    i do wonder how they will calculate this. does continuing to sit on their hands make them feel safe for midterms? we will start getting sentiment over the next 24 hours
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    " Republican Patriots: Where are you?"
    2004: Bush Lied, People Died
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    waiting to get voted out lol

    i do wonder how they will calculate this. does continuing to sit on their hands make them feel safe for midterms? we will start getting sentiment over the next 24 hours
    You are really overestimating how Americans feel about Russia.

    There's a reason the Dems went through the Access Hollywood tape/Gloria Allred route over Russia during the 2016 elections.
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    " Republican Patriots: Where are you?"
    I think this call will go unanswered. The GOP is the party of Trump and GOP politicians have proven to not have a spine.

    Trump is a Russian asset. Ask yourself why Trumo is harder on Meryl Streep than he is Vladimir Putin.
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    this is about how the president positions himself and his country as it pertains to russia
    Exactly. NoLibs’ point was that you guys didn’t seem to have any problem when America’s policy towards Russia was effectively to lick the chit out of Putin’s arsehole and look the other way whenever he did anything nefarious, then wonder why he was emboldened to do even more nefarious things, all led and initiated by a president who would openly mock anybody who questioned it.

    The only reason you care now is because you don’t like the current person cosying up to him. The point is that it’s not the cosying up itself or else you’d have cared when the other people were doing it. People can see right through you.
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    I think this call will go unanswered. The GOP is the party of Trump and GOP politicians have proven to not have a spine.

    Trump is a Russian asset. Ask yourself why Trumo is harder on Meryl Streep than he is Vladimir Putin.
    Streep went super easy on Harvey Weinstein. Not surprised you would defend that lol considering your previous comments on rape.
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    Originally Posted by GhenghisPWN View Post
    I think this call will go unanswered. The GOP is the party of Trump and GOP politicians have proven to not have a spine.

    Trump is a Russian asset. Ask yourself why Trumo is harder on Meryl Streep than he is Vladimir Putin.
    Right. Because exiting the Iran deal, supporting Israel, forcing NATO to increase military spending, and putting Germany to task for their Russian ties is going soft on Russia.

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    I'm confused because Barry told me Romney was being ridiculous and a child stating our greatest enemy is Russia..

    Now they are the enemy again? Because some nerds put up ******** accounts and twitter? Jesus lmao


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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Why should I believe a word Democrats say about Russia?
    I'm not saying you should. I'm saying some of Trump's comments were out of line
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    Originally Posted by Mike86er View Post
    Exactly. NoLibs’ point was that you guys didn’t seem to have any problem when America’s policy towards Russia was effectively to lick the chit out of Putin’s arsehole and look the other way whenever he did anything nefarious, then wonder why he was emboldened to do even more nefarious things, all led and initiated by a president who would openly mock anybody who questioned it.

    The only reason you care now is because you don’t like the current person cosying up to him. The point is that it’s not the cosying up itself or else you’d have cared when the other people were doing it. People can see right through you.
    Trapstar, Jay, GhenisPWN, X-Trainer, Sillie, NYPat, etc. etc. are like the people on To Catch a Predator who deny, deny, deny then Chris Hansen says "You know..... I got the transcripts" and all of a sudden their demeanor changes and they make up a million excuses. You KNOW they know Chris Hansen doesn't believe them, but they keep trying to BS their way out.

    That's how I feel - I KNOW Trapstar, Jay, etc. etc. don't believe the crap they're spewing and I just roll my eyes but it aggravates me still.

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    Lol Brennan. The guy who makes veiled threats at Trump. He should be careful who he calls a traitor.
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    I prefer Russians to Democrats. They aren't Americas enemy the dems are however. All the dems want is to escalate conflict with Russia by projecting their own corruption onto them. Absolutely pathetic people.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clea...ring_the_Realm

    Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq—an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right—as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.
    Ok, so this whole diatribe is part of the "evil Jews control the world" CT?
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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    Ok, so this whole diatribe is part of the "evil Jews control the world" CT?
    Jewish control in banking and media is an observable phenomenon - not a conspiracy. The Russia collusion, on the other hand, is a conspiracy. And it's not even a good one.
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