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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    To play devils advocate, I do not necessarily agree with gmo even though I see a possible need due to world population. And this is coming from someone who once worked for the dreaded M company.
    Im 100% pro GMO
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    Im 100% pro GMO
    Pretty well know for a while

    I remember some of the protocols of a certain fish. The resistance to certain environmental factors that were changed by simply adding a gene was shocking. Of course, the failures were eye opening as well. Kind of scary.

    But like I said, with a massively growing population I get it.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Pretty well know for a while

    I remember some of the protocols of a certain fish. The resistance to certain environmental factors that were changed by simply adding a gene was shocking. Of course, the failures were eye opening as well. Kind of scary.

    But like I said, with a massively growing population I get it.
    CRISPR use for human ailments has the same potential. Fascinating stuff.
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    CRISPR use for human ailments has the same potential. Fascinating stuff.
    Goodbye population control. Going to need that snap when and if
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Goodbye population control. Going to need that snap when and if
    I mean, in theory you could use CRISPR as population control.

    Just make everyone lysine deficient. Worked in Jurassic Park...
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    CRISPR use for human ailments has the same potential. Fascinating stuff.
    I assume you saw story about the kids in china that they took the CCR5 gene from and are now resistant to HIV (in theory)?

    CRISPR is very intriguing. A good time to buy stock in CRSP too... pretty low right now.
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    Originally Posted by ISurfNudeBrah View Post
    I assume you saw story about the kids in china that they took the CCR5 gene from and are now resistant to HIV (in theory)?

    CRISPR is very intriguing. A good time to buy stock in CRSP too... pretty low right now.
    There is a cure for HIV currently undergoing critical research for future fda approval.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    There is a cure for HIV currently undergoing critical research for future fda approval.
    Link?
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    Originally Posted by ISurfNudeBrah View Post
    Link?
    Nothing to link. The studies will take several years and have barely begun. It took forever to get the hep-c approved, this will be longer if it’s successful.
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    Originally Posted by ISurfNudeBrah View Post
    I assume you saw story about the kids in china that they took the CCR5 gene from and are now resistant to HIV (in theory)?

    CRISPR is very intriguing. A good time to buy stock in CRSP too... pretty low right now.
    As long as they can be profitable in the future.
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    Getting bids for replacing my HVAC system. So far I have had 2 companies. One was 20k and the other was 8k. The first company didn't offer any options or even break down things I could choose from. The second guy e gave me tons of options on some companies and basically help we know that the other company was full of ****. I have another appointment today and might call a few others.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    There is a cure for HIV currently undergoing critical research for future fda approval.
    just read this (somewhat relevant)...

    FDA approves a new cancer drug targeted to genetic mutation, not cancer type
    The new drug will cost $393,000 a year wholesale


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    Originally Posted by jwtiger69 View Post
    Being a home owner sucks....

    Getting bids for replacing my HVAC system. So far I have had 2 companies. One was 20k and the other was 8k. The first company didn't offer any options or even break down things I could choose from. The second guy e gave me tons of options on some companies and basically help we know that the other company was full of ****. I have another appointment today and might call a few others.
    How many units and how big is your house? I have replaced several hvacs in units I rented but most were in Fl so cold only. I have only replaced one with H/C and it was around 10 for a two unit house.
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    Originally Posted by dougefresh93 View Post
    just read this (somewhat relevant)...

    FDA approves a new cancer drug targeted to genetic mutation, not cancer type
    The new drug will cost $393,000 a year wholesale


    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...cancer-n940656
    Cringe at that price tag but the research is better than most actual cancer research currently.
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    Originally Posted by dougefresh93 View Post
    just read this (somewhat relevant)...

    FDA approves a new cancer drug targeted to genetic mutation, not cancer type
    The new drug will cost $393,000 a year wholesale


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    I mean, in theory you could use CRISPR as population control.

    Just make everyone lysine deficient. Worked in Jurassic Park...
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    How many units and how big is your house? I have replaced several hvacs in units I rented but most were in Fl so cold only. I have only replaced one with H/C and it was around 10 for a two unit house.

    My house is just under 2200 sq ft (single). So here are is what I am looking at so far:

    Company one (20k):

    4 ton system with 16 seer rating
    Air handler with variable speed fan
    Condenser/heat pump with 2- stage compressor
    Lennox

    Company two (8k):

    4 ton system with 14 seer rating
    Air handler with ECM blower motor
    Condenser/heat pump with scroll compressor
    Day and night

    I am still researching everything. I know that I do need a 4 ton system based on 5-600 sq ft per ton. 16 seer rating is better than 14 but is there all that much of a difference other than the cost of about 2k more? Variable speed is good. Is an ECM motor a true variable speed motor or just a motor with the ECM controller on it? 2-stage compressor worth it for the money and how does a scroll compressor work compared to that?


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    Originally Posted by jwtiger69 View Post
    My house is just under 2200 sq ft (single). So here are is what I am looking at so far:

    Company one (20k):

    4 ton system with 16 seer rating
    Air handler with variable speed fan
    Condenser/heat pump with 2- stage compressor
    Lennox

    Company two (8k):

    4 ton system with 14 seer rating
    Air handler with ECM blower motor
    Condenser/heat pump with scroll compressor
    Day and night

    I am still researching everything. I know that I do need a 4 ton system based on 5-600 sq ft per ton. 16 seer rating is better than 14 but is there all that much of a difference other than the cost of about 2k more? Variable speed is good. Is an ECM motor a true variable speed motor or just a motor with the ECM controller on it? 2-stage compressor worth it for the money and how does a scroll compressor work compared to that?


    My house was built in 96' and we are waiting for the system to take a $hit. Anything will be better than what I have now.
    So a few red flags.

    One, a two stage compressor is just a two scroll. It is more efficient however the seer rating on the unit is laughable for 2018(9) especially at that price (20k). It’s more of a luxury I guess if you want some more efficiency but that unit isn’t really at 16s.

    4ton unit sounds right for sqfoot. You don’t need a variable speed fan. Maybe get the second one to give you a better unit at the same price.

    Ask what brand unit. You will pay more for a Trane for what imo isn’t worth it. Carrier sucks and some places overcharge for their units. GE Rheem is a bit more consistent and the in between.

    Look into a locally ( state or nearby state ) dealer, unit built. For example, here in NC I can buy a Goodwin which is half the price of a Trane and equally as good.
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    Our main A/C + furnace was replaced earlier this year. We got a 3.5 ton (pretty sure 3.5) Heil 16 seer and 80% furnace, single speed, for, **** now I don't remember exactly and our record storage is rather cluttered, but it was near $5k. This was for a main level of around 2k square feet, with a half level above on its own system and a basement below. After a full Georgia summer I can confirm the A/C kicks ass. This is from a guy we've used for years though, that we bought an A/C from at the old house, and knows we will go back to for out other A/C probably in just a few months.
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    So a few red flags.

    One, a two stage compressor is just a two scroll. It is more efficient however the seer rating on the unit is laughable for 2018(9) especially at that price (20k). It’s more of a luxury I guess if you want some more efficiency but that unit isn’t really at 16s.

    4ton unit sounds right for sqfoot. You don’t need a variable speed fan. Maybe get the second one to give you a better unit at the same price.

    Ask what brand unit. You will pay more for a Trane for what imo isn’t worth it. Carrier sucks and some places overcharge for their units. GE Rheem is a bit more consistent and the in between.

    Look into a locally ( state or nearby state ) dealer, unit built. For example, here in NC I can buy a Goodwin which is half the price of a Trane and equally as good.
    Thanks! I have another company coming tonight and have a few others to call. The first one was crazy. The funny thing is that my neighbor had that same company replace his system 4 years ago and he paid 14k. Talking to him (still had his paper work) the only difference is that his is a 5 ton system because his house is bigger. They were pushing Lennox and gave me no options or even talked about them as far as companies. The second carries the name brands plus their sister companies (ie Trane to American Standard). I should be able to work with them more.




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    Thanks! I have another company coming tonight and have a few others to call. The first one was crazy. The funny thing is that my neighbor had that same company replace his system 4 years ago and he paid 14k. Talking to him (still had his paper work) the only difference is that his is a 5 ton system because his house is bigger. They were pushing Lennox and gave me no options or even talked about them as far as companies. The second carries the name brands plus their sister companies (ie Trane to American Standard). I should be able to work with them more.
    Lennox isn’t bad by any means but you are better off buying the smaller brands as long as they have a solid history. And if a company only offers one or really is pushing one brand, their are either a sponsored agent or get higher margins, kickbacks for that brand that costs the consumer more.
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    I'm not a big fan of grape as a flavor. I mean I love PB&J with grape jelly, and I drink a little grape juice, but supplements, candy, or medicines in candy flavor...I pass.

    But grape flavor P.P.K. is really good. Just opened it, mixed for today's session, tasted...12 oz gone in about 20 seconds. mmm
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    Lennox isn’t bad by any means but you are better off buying the smaller brands as long as they have a solid history. And if a company only offers one or really is pushing one brand, their are either a sponsored agent or get higher margins, kickbacks for that brand that costs the consumer more.

    That is what I am looking at now. If I have read correctly today most companies are built out of 1-2 factories and for the most part are the same minus house and labels (correct me if I am wrong). I like having options. I think I am more worried about the company installing everything correctly and backing that up. If that is done any system will be good (again correct me if I am wrong). This crap is all new to me and I have spent the last 4 hours at work only looking at this stuff.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    I'm not a big fan of grape as a flavor. I mean I love PB&J with grape jelly, and I drink a little grape juice, but supplements, candy, or medicines in candy flavor...I pass.

    But grape flavor P.P.K. is really good. Just opened it, mixed for today's session, tasted...12 oz gone in about 20 seconds. mmm
    Pre Surge had a pretty decent grape bubble gum or something and Neurosurge had a good grape but ya most are not good :X and anymore id like to just avoid grape lol

    That Wicked I brought back out yesterday I don't much care for that flavor
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    Pre Surge had a pretty decent grape bubble gum or something and Neurosurge had a good grape but ya most are not good :X and anymore id like to just avoid grape lol

    That Wicked I brought back out yesterday I don't much care for that flavor
    I don't like grape either, but Pre Surge grape bubblegum was soooo good. I remember.
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    I don't like grape either, but Pre Surge grape bubblegum was soooo good. I remember.
    Was a great pre for sure and that fruit punch was also redic good too
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    "grape" flavoring is an abomination. doesn't taste like grapes. tastes like purple. purple sucks.
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    "grape" flavoring is an abomination. doesn't taste like grapes. tastes like purple. purple sucks.
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    Tell me that old school grape VPX NO Shotgun with dat dere "20g protein per serving" wasn't the shiz.

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