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    A crazy metabolic boost.

    Hey fellas.
    Over the past couple of months i've been using a method of amplifying up the metabolism:

    On an empty stomach, take a cold (coldest) shower for 5 minutes.
    After that, eat 1-2 cayenne peppers.

    The cold showers help develop brown fat which is super healthy and important to help us heat up when its cold (this fat doesn't effect aesthetics and is mostly located around the spinal cord).
    The Cayenne peppers drastically increase the heat inside the brown fat.
    This makes us very healthy and indeed should burn more calories.

    A study published in the April 2012 issue of “The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition” found that energy expenditure in brown fat was increased in human subjects given an oral dose of capsinoids (which is found inside cayenne peppers) and exposed to cold temperature (cold showers in this case).
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    This is true.

    Cold showers were shown to increase irisin secretion and growth of BAT. BAT normally expands and metabolizes fat to create heat during prolonged exposure to moderately cold temperatures (non-shivering thermogenesis), but shorter exposures to colder temperatures have a similar effect, which seems to be more to do with acclimation.

    So far, we haven't been able to tell how much this will help obese patients, nor to what degree it helps with losing fat in the general population.

    I'd be interested to see a link to the capsinoid study as I'm only aware of it having a negligible effect.
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    These studies of these things come up all the time and may show a very very minimal temporary effect. In this case certainly not a "Crazy metabolic boost" and certainly not worth a freezing cold shower and then having to eat peppers on an empty stomach(unless you're a masochist and like this sort of thing).

    Maybe just concentrate a bit more on maintaining your proper deficit?
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    Originally Posted by ProWaffle View Post
    Hey fellas.
    Over the past couple of months i've been using a method of amplifying up the metabolism:

    On an empty stomach, take a cold (coldest) shower for 5 minutes.
    After that, eat 1-2 cayenne peppers.

    The cold showers help develop brown fat which is super healthy and important to help us heat up when its cold (this fat doesn't effect aesthetics and is mostly located around the spinal cord).
    The Cayenne peppers drastically increase the heat inside the brown fat.
    This makes us very healthy and indeed should burn more calories.

    A study published in the April 2012 issue of “The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition” found that energy expenditure in brown fat was increased in human subjects given an oral dose of capsinoids (which is found inside cayenne peppers) and exposed to cold temperature (cold showers in this case).
    You may be interested in Celi F (2017) Human Brown Adipose Tissue Plasticity: Hormonal and Environmental Manipulation.

    Although I haven't actually read it through myself, it's in my to do list in the Springer text, Hormones, Metabolism and the Benefits of Exercise (Speigelman B, 2017).
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    These studies of these things come up all the time and may show a very very minimal temporary effect. In this case certainly not a "Crazy metabolic boost" and certainly not worth a freezing cold shower and then having to eat peppers on an empty stomach(unless you're a masochist and like this sort of thing).

    Maybe just concentrate a bit more on maintaining your proper deficit?
    This ^^^^^.

    Unfortunately, many overweight guys would rather chase some negligible "trick" (hello: test boosters) and largely ignore the basics, like Calories IN vs Calories OUT.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    These studies of these things come up all the time and may show a very very minimal temporary effect. In this case certainly not a "Crazy metabolic boost" and certainly not worth a freezing cold shower and then having to eat peppers on an empty stomach(unless you're a masochist and like this sort of thing).

    Maybe just concentrate a bit more on maintaining your proper deficit?
    There may be some very helpful effects to cold exposure. The paper I mentioned above shows that it has positive effects on sympathetic nervous system, adrenal secretions, fasting glucose, subcutaneous adipose tissue glucose and lipolysis.
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    Originally Posted by YoelDovid View Post
    There may be some very helpful effects to cold exposure. The paper I mentioned above shows that it has positive effects on sympathetic nervous system, adrenal secretions, fasting glucose, subcutaneous adipose tissue glucose and lipolysis.
    those "studies" are about as valid as "carbs are the enemy" studies.

    The "cold therapy" studies have shown to have a positive effect however the effect is so minor in the big picture that's hardly worth noting.
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    Originally Posted by YoelDovid View Post
    There may be some very helpful effects to cold exposure. The paper I mentioned above shows that it has positive effects on sympathetic nervous system, adrenal secretions, fasting glucose, subcutaneous adipose tissue glucose and lipolysis.
    I don't doubt that there is some (small) benefit. From the paper and it's abstract:
    In adult humans, BAT activity is more evident in deep neck fat depots and, to a lesser degree, in subcutaneous adipose tissue,
    Great, the next time someone asks how to reduce their "fat neck" we can point them to this paper.
    The ability to promote substrate utilization has the obvious appeal of an “effortless diet pill,” but the capacity of the system is probably insufficient to generate alone a negative energy balance to induce weight loss.
    Well, shucks.

    (A large part of the study talks about positive energy expenditure effects of sitting in a 62 F room for 2 hours a day. And, in fact, as for the closest thing said about 'cold showers', said
    While a short but intense cold exposure (such as immersion of a limb in ice-cold water) is able to generate maximal 18F FDG-PET uptake and a significant increase in energy expenditure (Yoneshiro et al. 2011), this method does not correspond to day-to-day experience and cannot be sustained over time.
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    Originally Posted by YoelDovid View Post
    You may be interested in Celi F (2017) Human Brown Adipose Tissue Plasticity: Hormonal and Environmental Manipulation.

    Although I haven't actually read it through myself, it's in my to do list in the Springer text, Hormones, Metabolism and the Benefits of Exercise (Speigelman B, 2017).
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    I thought exposure to cold was more correlated with putting on fat... that would be a sensible reaction from an evolutionary perspective.
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    I'm quite a busy person, so i'll take my stuffed peppers into the shower with me next time !!
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    Active brown fat really boosts metabolism

    Originally Posted by YoelDovid View Post
    There may be some very helpful effects to cold exposure. The paper I mentioned above shows that it has positive effects on sympathetic nervous system, adrenal secretions, fasting glucose, subcutaneous adipose tissue glucose and lipolysis.
    There are a lot of studies that show the benefits of mild cold exposure and that it is a treatment for metabolic disease like diabetes. In August a study was published in Nature that found active brown fat limited growth of cancer tumors 80%.

    Two weeks ago there was a story that DARPA is sponsoring research to amplify the brown fat ability to keep you warm via a drug for the defense department. So it backs the idea that active brown fat helps handle the cold better.

    Now here is a new phase change cooling vest for brown fat activation that uses cooling packs at 59F. A couple of hours wear time over a few weeks and your base metabolism increases by a few hundred calories a day. https://www.hyperwear.com/product/co...est-and-wraps/
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