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    Exclamation Holographic Universe: We're all basically 'living' in a giant game of minecraft..

    Some of you bovine mouth-breathers should do some research or watch some vids on this.

    Might put a fresh perspective on things..




    Cliffs:

    - Electron particles (the building blocks of all matter) only exist when we look at them.
    - When we are not looking at them they are waves.
    - Solid objects don't exist.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/reality...iment-confirms
    https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2...-universe.page
    https://www.collective-evolution.com...ing-is-energy/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implic...xplicate_order
    http://thespiritscience.net/2016/08/...rgy-particles/
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    Problem is that every method of observing does impact a system. The guy in the video does not say that. But its important.
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    Originally Posted by TitusVI View Post
    Problem is that every method of observing does impact a system. The guy in the video does not say that. But its important.
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    I don't talk about bans out of respect for the mods and admin.
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    Double-slit experiment is very basic quantum mechanics, you learn about it if you do A level physics. I don't know how that translates to a 'holographic universe', might watch later if I remember.

    All matter exhibits wave-particle duality, not just electrons. I think a buckyball (60 carbon atoms in a spherical lattice) is the largest object that's been shown to produce an interference pattern in a double-slit experiment.
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    All matter exhibits wave-particle duality
    The main point of the experiment is the effect observation has.
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    The main point of the experiment is the effect observation has.
    Yeah so now you're getting into metaphysics and philosophy, a more scientific sounding way of asking the 'If a tree falls in the woods...' question.
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    Originally Posted by PenorBrahNoHomo View Post
    Yeah so now you're getting into metaphysics and philosophy, a more scientific sounding way of asking the 'If a tree falls in the woods...' question.
    Not true.

    There is clear, documented evidence of the observation effect in the double slit experiment.

    Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    In physics, the observer effect is the theory that simply observing a situation or phenomenon necessarily changes that phenomenon. ... An especially unusual version of the observer effect occurs in quantum mechanics, as best demonstrated by the double-slit experiment.
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    An especially unusual version of the observer effect occurs in quantum mechanics, as best demonstrated by the double-slit experiment. Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result. A particularly famous example is the 1998 Weizmann experiment.[1] The "observer" in this experiment — a sophisticated electronic detector — wasn't human. And yet, possibly because the word "observer" implies a person, such findings have led to a popular belief that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[2] The need for the "observer" to be conscious has been rejected by mainstream science as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process.


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    You've been scammed. In physics, "observation" just means INTERACTION with other particles. If the particle hits a rock, the rock has "observed" the particle.

    >inb4 delayed erasure experiments

    Same thing. They are just reversing the effects of the interaction, so the result couldn't be known even in principle. If the operator performed the experiment WITHOUT the "erasure" and just burnt and threw the paper in the bag then it would count as an observation just the same, because the particle has interacted with the rest of the universe. Consciousness has literally nothing to do with it.

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    Originally Posted by kekusmaximus View Post
    You've been scammed. In physics, "observation" just means INTERACTION with other particles. If the particle hits a rock, the rock has "observed" the particle.

    >inb4 delayed erasure experiments

    Same thing. They are just reversing the effects of the interaction, so the result couldn't be known even in principle. If the operator performed the experiment WITHOUT the "erasure" and just burnt and threw the paper in the bag then it would count as an observation just the same, because the particle has interacted with the rest of the universe. Consciousness has literally nothing to do with it.

    Also lol @ all the new age woo woo links you posted in the OP.
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    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.
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    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.
    Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.
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    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.













































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    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.
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    Originally Posted by BustaCapp View Post
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    Physicists have found that even passive observation of quantum phenomena (by changing the test apparatus and passively 'ruling out' all but one possibility), can actually change the measured result.
    So... according to you, what do they exactly mean by "ruling out all but one possibility"? And changing it from what kind of apparatus to what kind of apparatus? That sentence is awfully vague, I don't understand it. Not to mention that particular sentence IS NOT SOURCED.

    Also in the same paragraph:

    A particularly famous example is the 1998 Weizmann experiment.[1] The "observer" in this experiment — a sophisticated electronic detector — wasn't human. And yet, possibly because the word "observer" implies a person, such findings have led to a popular belief that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[2] The need for the "observer" to be conscious has been rejected by mainstream science as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function
    So... As I said, the "observer" could be a human, it could be a sensor, it could be a rock, it could be another particle, it could be whatever. So basically INTERACTION.
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    Not true.

    There is clear, documented evidence of the observation effect in the double slit experiment.
    I know, I wasn't disputing that but the double-slit experiment is only a small piece of the puzzle. At this stage the rest is still metaphysics because there is no unifying theory of reality, holographic universe isn't a proven theory. It would corroborate philosophies which claim that what we experience isn't actually reality which is interesting.

    When it comes to string theory and quantum gravity it's impossible for a non-specialist to have the faintest clue really.
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    So... according to you, what do they exactly mean by "ruling out all but one possibility"? And changing it from what kind of apparatus to what kind of apparatus? That sentence is awfully vague, I don't understand it. Not to mention that particular sentence IS NOT SOURCED.
    To put it plainly, put a sensor there to "observe" the particles. Leave it there but just unplug it so it no longer "observes" (measures) and the particles behave diffferently.

    So... As I said, the "observer" could be a human, it could be a sensor, it could be a rock, it could be another particle, it could be whatever. So basically INTERACTION.
    No, this is the point. It can't be a rock or something that doesn't observe. An inanimate object won't interact.

    I suppose the basic idea behind the sensor being able to change the particle beaviour is the human intent that went into setting it up as an observation device.
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    Besides, how does "observation" collapsing the wave function make the universe somehow "not real" or "holographic"?
    The simulation argument is old as fuk now and it doesn't require quantum mechanics at all. You could make the same argument that everything is a simulation with newtonian mechanics and the claim would have about the same weight.
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    Originally Posted by kekusmaximus View Post
    Besides, how does "observation" collapsing the wave function make the universe somehow "not real" or "holographic"?
    The simulation argument is old as fuk now and it doesn't require quantum mechanics at all. You could make the same argument that everything is a simulation with newtonian mechanics and the claim would have about the same weight.
    It's not that it's "not real". It's just not solid.

    It's as "real" as your conscious mind constructs it.

    The theory is that the duality of existence means all the information in what we think of as the physical reality (the explicate order) is stored on the surface of it (the implicate order).

    Put simply - there is a "field" of every possibility imaginable from which our reality emerges from in a form best described as holographic.
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    Also there is another explanation. And that is the multiverse. Simply put when you observe something or an outcome changes the universe splits.
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