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    Cooperating with authoritarian marxists pretending to be a free and open while they infiltrate ours? I think not.
    Well I think so. I think we can work together and slowly, they will come around. If we try to fight and actually start a war, nothing will ever get any better, and their people will hate us forever.
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    Well I think so. I think we can work together and slowly, they will come around. If we try to fight and actually start a war, nothing will ever get any better, and their people will hate us forever.
    They will come around just like they have in the last 40 years of commie enrichment? They're literally taught in chinese schools that foreigners are the enemy. Its a completely 'us vs. them' mentality. They will never change for the better. Either destroy them now or be destroyed by them in the future. Imperial Japan was completely correct about china.
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    Originally Posted by superbleeder View Post
    They will come around just like they have in the last 40 years of commie enrichment? They're literally taught in chinese schools that foreigners are the enemy. Its a completely 'us vs. them' mentality. They will never change for the better. Either destroy them now or be destroyed by them in the future. Imperial Japan was completely correct about china.
    Did you not see how far they have come since Mao? China has made dramatic changes to support a market economy. Just to be clear, you are calling for attempted murder of almost 1.5 billion people. Fuk yourself.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Did you not see how far they have come since Mao? China has made dramatic changes to support a market economy. Just to be clear, you are calling for attempted murder of almost 1.5 billion people. Fuk yourself.
    They made it because we enabled them. We sacrificed freedom for profits. We outsourced our manufacturing and jobs to a hostile foreign power. Chinese are a cunning bunch. We're the fools for being so gullible.
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    Originally Posted by superbleeder View Post
    They made it because we enabled them. We sacrificed freedom for profits. We outsourced our manufacturing and jobs to a hostile foreign power. Chinese are a cunning bunch. We're the fools for being so gullible.
    That's an incredibly arrogant POV that you think they only made it because of us. You're also talking about the greatest rise out of poverty in human history, and you're acting like it's some terrible thing.
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    i like china and i think they're our friend

    why else would trump have all his trump brand products manufactured there?
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    That's an incredibly arrogant POV that you think they only made it because of us. You're also talking about the greatest rise out of poverty in human history, and you're acting like it's some terrible thing.
    Wincel, I've learned a lot over the last year about China to understand their motivations. They don't want to work with the United States other than to siphon everything we've gained, in order to surpass us and become the dominant super power in the world. Their leadership looks at the past, present, and future through the lens of ancient stories that lay out lessons for how to handle situations, lessons that embrace deception. Some of these are laid out in the links at the beginning of this thread if you'd like to learn more.

    When the Soviets & Chinese were seemingly working together during the Cold War, the Chinese played the part of a weak nation in need of help. They did this so that the Soviets would provide them technology, supplies, anything they needed to help them become a greater nation in order to dominate Asia. The Soviets in the 60s came to the realization that China was playing the Soviets for fools, and quickly put an end to their relationship. This then resulted in border skirmishes and hostilities across Asia wherever there was a conflict of influence.

    The US (during the Nixon/Kissinger era) noticed this fracture and sought to benefit from it. They rested on the belief that if they simply help China modernize & liberalize, that Democracy would soon follow. Every President from Nixon to Obama provided technological know-how to help them become a better nation (military, medicine, industrial, etc). And during this, China did the same thing they did to the Soviets, they played a poor weak nation that needed assistance. They'd accomplish this by manipulating the advisers of the President and anyone the US would send over seas.

    This was ultimately to our own detriment because we didn't understand the Chinese language too well or what the CCP really thought about America. Their whole goal is to become the leading power, there is "Only One Sun in the Sky" for China, and that's China.

    No one believes China will democratize anymore, only those stuck on the past or those who are lacking the information necessary to make that determination. I suggest you broaden your resources if you really think China has benign intentions, whatever your source is, is grossly misleading you.

    Good luck.
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    Belgian university closes its Chinese state-funded Confucius Institute after spying claims
    • Vrije Universiteit Brussel says cooperating with the institute is no longer consistent with its policies
    • Security services had accused Song Xinning, former head of the institute at the university, of being a recruiter for Chinese intelligence

    One of Belgium’s leading universities has decided to close the Chinese state-funded Confucius Institute on its campus, following accusations that the former head professor conducted espionage for China.

    Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) confirmed that it would not extend its contract with the institute when the agreement expires next June, although it did not refer to the espionage claims.

    The university said cooperation with Confucius Institute – whose stated aims include promoting Chinese language and culture and facilitating cultural exchanges – was “not in line with [our] principles of free research”, based on the information it had obtained.

    “The university is of the opinion that cooperating with the institution is no longer consistent with its policies and objectives,” it said in a statement on its website.

    In October, Belgian security services accused Song Xinning, former head of the Confucius Institute at VUB, of working as a recruiter for Chinese intelligence.

    The Belgian newspaper De Morgen reported that VUB had ignored a warning from the state security service about the institute’s activities.

    Song was subsequently barred from entering the Schengen Area – comprising 26 European countries – for eight years.

    In an earlier interview with the South China Morning Post, Song said Belgian immigration authorities had informed him on July 30 that his visa would not be renewed, because he “supported Chinese intelligence activities”

    Song said the decision had followed his refusal to cooperate with a US diplomat based in Brussels. He denied sharing contact and work information with the Chinese authorities, or receiving help from them after his travel ban became public.

    Jonathan Holslag, an international relations professor at VUB and one of the most vocal critics of VUB’s Confucius Institute, called the university’s decision “brave”.

    Several of the institutes in the United States and Australia have been forced to close because of allegations that they had undue influence on campus, while several Chinese academics and researchers have been investigated, dismissed and even arrested in the US on suspicion of stealing intellectual property or failing to disclose funding ties with Chinese universities.

    In Europe, the Confucius Institutes at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, Stockholm University in Sweden and University Lyon in France have all been closed.

    China has previously said it would optimise the spread of the institute, strengthening its abilities and raising its education standards. It has also said it would improve educational opportunities for students from countries involved in its transcontinental infrastructure strategy, the Belt and Road Initiative.
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    Belgian university closes its Chinese state-funded Confucius Institute after spying claims


    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nded-confucius
    a lot of the Confucius centers are getting shut down across the US. universities are finally waking up and realizing what the chinese are doing and that these centers' primary goal is to rob, replicate, and replace by stealing IP
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    Originally Posted by TonyTriangles View Post
    a lot of the Confucius centers are getting shut down across the US. universities are finally waking up and realizing what the chinese are doing and that these centers' primary goal is to rob, replicate, and replace by stealing IP
    The Chinese found that humans are susceptible to financial incentives, even in education. China handed out cash to win over influence, that's why it's difficult for a lot of institutions to cut the umbilical cord. They knew how to wrap their tentacles around everything very well.
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