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    Originally Posted by bamazav View Post
    My Smith is probably lighter than 45 lbs also. I am too lazy to take it apart and actually weigh the bar . . . just count the plates.
    You could set a bathroom scale on your flat bench and rest the bar on it to get a very close estimate, but yeah, just counting the plates tells you if you're moving forward or not.

    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Don't despair, all those are still really good numbers.
    Thanks Dave.

    Originally Posted by tblodg15 View Post
    I still couldn’t come close to 110x13 in OHP. That’s great if it doesn’t bother your shoulder.
    I think that I'd come close to 110x13 in a true OHP, but keep in mind that I'm seated AND it's a Smith machine that takes most of the effort to stabilize the weight out of the equation.


    My wife and I end our 12 month resolution this month (we started last December after I hit a bike mileage goal IIRC) where we've committed to working out 10X per month together. We're a bit behind for November due to a stomach bug of hers, but tonight will be 5 for the month (115 for the year), and SHE (will miracles ever cease?!?!) suggested maybe upping the ante to 11X per year next year I'm super proud of her because she's always admittedly HATED exercise, and yet we've gone to the gym a lot and we've walked together around our house too. But she drew the line at getting a tandem bike


    Here's an update to my hurt arm from our Florida trip in mid-September: the two work-arounds seem to be "working" in that I'm able to continue to lift with much less discomfort both during the lift and for the hours or morning after lifting to. If it continues to abate at a similar rate then I might be able to go back to my other exercises by January 1.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    I've been incline benching at home, and the difference in my weights/reps at home and those at PF are significantly different . . . so much so, that I was compelled to ask the question: "so, uh, how much does the bar on the Smith machine weigh?" Answer: 20 lbs (*crying*). So, my 185x10 was actually a 160 x 10 FWIW, I did manage a 170x9 which calculates to ~220# 1RM which isn't bad for an incline bench @ 173 lbs.

    My seated OHP of 135x13 is only a 110x13.
    I’m quite impressed by those incline bench numbers! Nothing to feel bad about!

    I still remember the ego-bruising when I found out that Smith machine bars can have very different weight. My sympathies to you. (I eventually wrote a short story where that was a major plot point. )
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    Biceps tendinopathy resource

    Just ran across this article on training through biceps tendinopathy. I think its focus is on the upper biceps tendons, but maybe something useful.

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/biceps-tendinopathy
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    Originally Posted by HomeGymChains View Post
    Just ran across this article on training through biceps tendinopathy. I think its focus is on the upper biceps tendons, but maybe something useful.

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/biceps-tendinopathy
    Wow, thanks. I'm definitely going to check this out.
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    The arm is feeling much better (note that this is 10 weeks post injury!). Not 100% but but probably 80% healed. My wife and I went to her gym tonight, and the Smith machines were occupied so I thought I'd try the dumbbells BUT with a better warm-up routine. I incline benched 40's then 60's then a Smith machine became available so I moved there but I was going up to 70's or maybe their max DB's @ 75# each.
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    Here is the “first” article they refer to. It contains lots of nice background info about tendons in general before discussing specific knee tendon issues.

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/sq...oscy6n9mxofcjn

    Hope you’ve been doing okay.
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    Originally Posted by HomeGymChains View Post
    Here is the “first” article they refer to. It contains lots of nice background info about tendons in general before discussing specific knee tendon issues.

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/sq...oscy6n9mxofcjn

    Hope you’ve been doing okay.
    Reps on spread, but thanks HGC. I've been using the Hammer Strength machines at the gym, and I REALLY like the two row (horizontal and vertical) machines. The mind/muscle connection is easy to achieve, and a slow, deliberate eccentric portion of the rep is easy too.

    It's been crazy warm around here (record high of 69 yesterday ), so I've still been able to ride my bike and today the odometer that I zeroed out on Jan 1 just turned 1500 miles after today's ride.

    I've eaten too much junk food during the many parties with TWO more this weekend. Not trying to be funny, but I found a way to deal with the weight gain . . . I don't get on the scale But seriously, I don't need the scale to tell me that I'm heavier than I want to be. So what I do is just cut back until I'm close to my goal weight and then I weigh.
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    Howdy there Payton. Glad to see that you are still pounding it out in here. Just reading your last response, it looks like you and I have the same approach when dealing with the scale. I accidentally got on the scale three days ago and whoa! I've got some serious dietary adjustments to do. I'm officially 10 pounds heavier than I was in July. Oh well, my plan is to get it under control in the New Year and enjoy one more week of gluttony.
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    Originally Posted by TM79 View Post
    Howdy there Payton. Glad to see that you are still pounding it out in here. Just reading your last response, it looks like you and I have the same approach when dealing with the scale. I accidentally got on the scale three days ago and whoa! I've got some serious dietary adjustments to do. I'm officially 10 pounds heavier than I was in July. Oh well, my plan is to get it under control in the New Year and enjoy one more week of gluttony.
    LOL. If you're a Mon-Fri working stiff like me, then you'll probably find this routine schedule easier to stick to a diet (at least easier for 5/7ths of the week ). Believe it or not, I have TWO more Christmas parties to go to this weekend.
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    Dang social life!

    Glad everything's looking up for you, Mark. Hoping for a good start to the year. I'll wish you good luck for the whole year later!
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    Dang social life!

    Glad everything's looking up for you, Mark. Hoping for a good start to the year. I'll wish you good luck for the whole year later!
    LOL. 2019 was good. I hurt my shoulder in September but it's healing slooooowly. My attitude is good. While there are some awesome exercises that I can no longer do, I'm still able to do at least one or more exercises for every major bodypart. I am liking the hammer strength exercises well enough that I'm actually joining my wife's gym tomorrow. It's . . . uh . . . ahem . . . it's Planet Fitness (no hate ). I've been going with her as her guest since she has the black card, but I'm getting the cheap $10/month card so that I can go whenever I want.

    Happy new year to all on bb.com and let's ring in the new year (and decade) with lots of awesomeness in the gym
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    LOL. 2019 was good. I hurt my shoulder in September but it's healing slooooowly. My attitude is good. While there are some awesome exercises that I can no longer do, I'm still able to do at least one or more exercises for every major bodypart. I am liking the hammer strength exercises well enough that I'm actually joining my wife's gym tomorrow. It's . . . uh . . . ahem . . . it's Planet Fitness (no hate ). I've been going with her as her guest since she has the black card, but I'm getting the cheap $10/month card so that I can go whenever I want.

    Happy new year to all on bb.com and let's ring in the new year (and decade) with lots of awesomeness in the gym
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    It's been crazy warm around here (record high of 69 yesterday ), so I've still been able to ride my bike and today the odometer that I zeroed out on Jan 1 just turned 1500 miles after today's ride.
    Weather has been nice, just had back surgery so no bike riding, but am getting some longer walks in.

    Where about in Indiana are you, I am in the West Noblesville are.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    Where about in Indiana are you, I am in the West Noblesville are.
    I live across the river from Louisville. My wife and I both grew up there.

    Walking is great exercise. I walked 1200 miles a few years ago mostly during lunch (Louisville and Jeffersonville converted a train bridge to a walking bridge that's VERY popular) and some on the weekends. My cholesterol numbers NEVER looked better!!!
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    I went to the gym today (yep, Jan 1). It was a bit more crowded than usual but it wasn't CrAzY.

    My arm continues to get better, and I used 60# DBs for seated OHP (60's x 8-10 . . . I honestly don't remember which).

    My shoulder is temperamental. I know that I can use the hammer strength without pain, but I was able to do chin-ups (BWx14 IIRC). I had been only to do pull-ups, and when I tried a set of pull-ups, my shoulder did hurt If I have to have the occasional aches and pains as I age, I won't complain (much ) as long as I can find at least one quality exercise for my major body parts.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    I went to the gym today (yep, Jan 1). It was a bit more crowded than usual but it wasn't CrAzY.

    My arm continues to get better, and I used 60# DBs for seated OHP (60's x 8-10 . . . I honestly don't remember which).

    My shoulder is temperamental. I know that I can use the hammer strength without pain, but I was able to do chin-ups (BWx14 IIRC). I had been only to do pull-ups, and when I tried a set of pull-ups, my shoulder did hurt If I have to have the occasional aches and pains as I age, I won't complain (much ) as long as I can find at least one quality exercise for my major body parts.
    That's a heavy dumbbell lift! Strange about the pull-ups and shoulder pain, especially if you can still do the OHP. I wouldn't be able to figure out the mechanics of that one.
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    Started 2020 off SICK! My wife and I both have a stomach bug. I noticed it yesterday ~noon, but I'm already starting to feel a bit better. I stayed home from work today (I probably miss fewer than 3 days each year) and I'll stay home tomorrow too . . . although I was going to take the afternoon off as I will often do on Fridays to eat up my unused vacation days. My wife and I have both joked that the stomach bug is helping each of us reach our 2020 weightloss goals I haven't weighed in quite a while, but I'm sure that I'm within a few pounds of my preferred 172-173 weight. I look better at high 160's, but that takes more effort
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    Felt well enough to go to the gym today, and there was both good and bad news:

    Good news: I was able to incline dumbbell bench with nearly no arm pain. This is the first time since I injured it mid-Sept.

    Bad News: My previous 3-sets with the 75's was typically 15, 15, 15 or perhaps 15, 14, 13 but today it was 13, 10, 8. I'll take it considering that I've been sick for the last two days.

    More good news, I was able to repeat chin-ups pain free. More bad news, I weighed 176.4 lbs this morning AND that was after being sick for 2-3 days. I REALLY(!!!) overate during the holidays. Still, being 4 lbs (arguably) overweight beats the 40 or more pounds so many of the new years resolutioners are staring at after ignoring their health for so long.

    I have decided on a new years resolution myself: to quit texting and driving. I know that it's dumb, Dumb, DUMB, but so much of my driving is done in the country with the "less traveled" roads, but that's no excuse. I'm going to find an app that MAKES me compliant
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    Felt well enough to go to the gym today, and there was both good and bad news:

    Good news: I was able to incline dumbbell bench with nearly no arm pain. This is the first time since I injured it mid-Sept.

    Bad News: My previous 3-sets with the 75's was typically 15, 15, 15 or perhaps 15, 14, 13 but today it was 13, 10, 8. I'll take it considering that I've been sick for the last two days.

    More good news, I was able to repeat chin-ups pain free. More bad news, I weighed 176.4 lbs this morning AND that was after being sick for 2-3 days. I REALLY(!!!) overate during the holidays. Still, being 4 lbs (arguably) overweight beats the 40 or more pounds so many of the new years resolutioners are staring at after ignoring their health for so long.

    I have decided on a new years resolution myself: to quit texting and driving. I know that it's dumb, Dumb, DUMB, but so much of my driving is done in the country with the "less traveled" roads, but that's no excuse. I'm going to find an app that MAKES me compliant
    The good news is good, the bad news ain't that bad, and the texting while driving is downright scary. Please don't! Some of those "less traveled" roads are also the most dangerous. This I know firsthand.
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    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    The good news is good, the bad news ain't that bad, and the texting while driving is downright scary. Please don't! Some of those "less traveled" roads are also the most dangerous. This I know firsthand.
    Thanks Dave. I just downloaded the Lifesaver app that's supposedly passive and will automatically lock my phone when I'm driving.

    I've been debating on my goal for 2020. It became clear to me as I took my first bike ride for 2020 (48F but windy). I had considered another run at bulk and cut but then realized how much I enjoy biking and enjoy looking leanER (nothing stupid, but just to move the needle down a few pounds for 2020). So my goals are to exceed my 2019 mileage of just over 1500 miles AND to keep my Fri morning weight <169. I'll still let my eating slide on weekends and tighten things up Mon-Thurs so Friday is always my lightest day of the year.

    I want to continue my pattern of eating more oatmeal and beans to replace some of the red meat that I was eating in hopes of getting my LDL down. I'm also going to really cut back on sweets on the weekend. Just because I might relax on the volume of food, that doesn't mean that I have radically change the quality of food either. My wife bought a fruit tray at the grocery recently, and the combination of good grapes and blueberries were really just about as good as any piece of cake or pie.

    Of course, I'll still be lifting every 3rd day or so, and my wife volunteered that we raise our working out together from 10X per month to 11X per month. Now that I'm a PF "regular" card member, my 19 year old son can be the guest of my wife since she's a black card member so maybe I can strongarm him into lifting with his old man. He is a regular lifter himself (keeps a journal and everything), but he just prefers to lift by himself. But I gotta believe that it'll be nice for him to publicly dominate me on all exercises (except for pullups ). He's ~1" shorter than me, outweighs me by 25 lbs, and his wrist must be 3/8" to 1/2" bigger than mine. In short, he's simply a bigger version of me

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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    keep my Fri morning weight <169. I'll still let my eating slide on weekends and tighten things up Mon-Thurs so Friday is always my lightest day of the year.
    Hi Mark, your statement above is exactly how I have been doing it my entire 3 years since I started exercising and eating better. I relax a little over the weekend and enjoy eating with the family and then more strict during the week. My weight is usually up a little on Mon & Tue and then comes down through the week. I don't know if it is the best approach but it works for me and is very sustainable. I still log my average weight for the whole week so those heavy days get counted but I only focus on the average moving up or down.



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    the combination of good grapes and blueberries were really just about as good as any piece of cake or pie.
    I agree! I am still amazed at times how good a piece of fruit can taste when you don't eat many processed sweet things. My favorite is kiwi - delicious when they are ripe and in season.

    Since I don't eat much normal desert another thing that surprises me is how good some of my greek yogurt tastes. Some of the 80 calorie "Light & Fit" greek yogurts taste amazing and the toasted marshmellow is basically a desert to me but has 12G of protein and 0G of fat!
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    Some of the 80 calorie "Light & Fit" greek yogurts taste amazing and the toasted marshmellow is basically a desert to me but has 12G of protein and 0G of fat!
    LOL. I do the grocery shopping for my mom and I bought her some TODAY. After playing cards with her I asked if I could have one of her greek yogurts I bought one flavor called "cheesecake" but I ate the strawberry one (delicious!).
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    LOL. I do the grocery shopping for my mom and I bought her some TODAY. After playing cards with her I asked if I could have one of her greek yogurts I bought one flavor called "cheesecake" but I ate the strawberry one (delicious!).
    Toasted Marshmallow is my favorite but every flavor I have tried is very good!
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    LOL. I do the grocery shopping for my mom and I bought her some TODAY. After playing cards with her I asked if I could have one of her greek yogurts I bought one flavor called "cheesecake" but I ate the strawberry one (delicious!).
    I prefer the strawberry too.

    As for fresh fruit, I'm finding that some grapes, particularly the green ones, can be too sweet. I don't know if that's my tastes changing or if the fruit is actually being bred for more sugar.
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    Your 2020 goals sound good Payton. It's funny, I look at "bulking" more as just letting my diet slide for a while... Finally saw the scale move down 2 lbs this weekend since last weekend. The calories were in the green four days last week I think so that helps. As fun as it is to get a little bit of added strength from the extra weight, I still prefer to look lean, like you. Also, like you, I tend to let the diet go on the weekends and buckle down during the week. I was laughing about your comments about your son. When my son is your son's age I will be 59. Right now we are still trying to get him to sleep through the night...
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