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    But......But..... We gotta confuse the muscles, right babe?


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    The general consensus is it's never a great idea to throw any large dose of a single amino acid in the body at a time because your biochemical cycles (glycolysis, Krebs, oxidative phosphorylation) are pretty set and throwing a large dose "confuses" them in a way. That said, there are differences between taking it during training as more things are metabolized, but I still don't recommend much.
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    There were a few good once a few years back done by the National Library of Medicine, unfortunately I cannot link them in here just yet.


    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    What about all the positive "controlled" BCAA studies

    Do you find them to be inconclusive?
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    But......But..... We gotta confuse the muscles, right babe?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    What about all the positive "controlled" BCAA studies

    Do you find them to be inconclusive?
    no but you can say it's better to rely on personal experience and be critical of the "poorly ran" studies and then try to prove a point with studies which demonstrated a positive outcome and not look at how those were run
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    no but you can say it's better to rely on personal experience and be critical of the "poorly ran" studies and then try to prove a point with studies which demonstrated a positive outcome and not look at how those were run

    This sounds like an excuse to me, especially from a man of science like yourself. So poorly ran = a fraudulent outcome? BCAAs through science/studies have been shown to be effective, but now all the studies are in question because of how they were performed?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    This sounds like an excuse to me, especially from a man of science like yourself. So poorly ran = a fraudulent outcome? BCAAs through science/studies have been shown to be effective, but now all the studies are in question because of how they were performed?
    It's not an excuse. Just because they were studies doesn't make them beyond reproach, especially when methodologies and controls were poorly designed.
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    I personally feel the majority of these studies are poorly ran, and no one wants to hear "personal trial over study", but at some point we have to start trusting ourselves on what works and what doesn't
    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Is it fair to say at some point everyone in this thread found BCAAs to be beneficial?

    If you answered yes, do you now blame placebo and or science or were they truly beneficial?

    What about your positive BCAA thoughts/reviews. Do you now blame placebo and or science or were they truly beneficial?

    Can you tell if a product is delivering real results, or do you look to science for answers?

    Are studies in general misleading?

    Just some things to think about...
    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    What about all the positive "controlled" BCAA studies

    Do you find them to be inconclusive?
    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    This sounds like an excuse to me, especially from a man of science like yourself. So poorly ran = a fraudulent outcome? BCAAs through science/studies have been shown to be effective, but now all the studies are in question because of how they were performed?
    You're contradicting yourself, on one hand you're looking to disprove studies with personal trial and on the other hand you're looking to prove the effectiveness of BCAAs with studies.
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    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    It's not an excuse. Just because they were studies doesn't make them beyond reproach, especially when methodologies and controls were poorly designed.
    Were you present during any of these studies?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Were you present during any of these studies?
    what does that have to do with anything?
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    I can't believe this has been going on for multiple years now.

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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    You're contradicting yourself, on one hand you're looking to disprove studies with personal trial and on the other hand you're looking to prove the effectiveness of BCAAs with studies.
    Of course. Refer back to post 58
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1551139781

    And seriously, no one is there for the Chromadex batch tests, but we were told we should just trust those results too, right? Failed argument is failed.

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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    Of course. Refer back to post 58
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1551139781

    And seriously, no one is there for the Chromadex batch tests, but we were told we should just trust those results too, right? Failed argument is failed.

    I'm also glad to see the sock account has join the the fray. Make sure you don't mess up and respond to the wrong comment with the wrong account.
    Are you let down by these allegations, and do you still have faith in science?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Are you let down by these allegations, and do you still have faith in science?
    I think at this point you should just answer the question. But typical trolly Fug and his sock account, we just carry on with the ridiculous.

    Are you there for the Chromadex batch tests? If not, how can you trust them. If you're going to pose that BS for studies (note, you aren't there for the positive studies either), it should hold true for anything. You can't see the air your breathe, how do you know it's there? Dinosaurs never really existed because we didn't see them alive. We never landed on the moon, because none of us were there with Neil.

    I could keep going, but...meh. Carry on with your confirmation bias and thank you for confirming my thoughts on Chromadex and all other batch testing. Since we aren't there we can't know if the results are correct. I guess that's all just a waste of money then for the supp manufacturers.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    I think at this point you should just answer the question. But typical trolly Fug and his sock account, we just carry on with the ridiculous.

    Are you there for the Chromadex batch tests? If not, how can you trust them. If you're going to pose that BS for studies (note, you aren't there for the positive studies either), it should hold true for anything. You can't see the air your breathe, how do you know it's there? Dinosaurs never really existed because we didn't see them alive. We never landed on the moon, because none of us were there with Neil.

    I could keep going, but...meh. Carry on with your confirmation bias and thank you for confirming my thoughts on Chromadex and all other batch testing. Since we aren't there we can't know if the results are correct. I guess that's all just a waste of money then for the supp manufacturers.
    We have live footage of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, the Field Museum here in Chicago has a wonderful exhibit on dinosaurs, and next time you're in a colder climate, breath, you might be surprised at what you see

    If you truly worked in this industry you would never call out ChromaDex. They're one of the most respected labs in the country

    Now back to studies. Are flaws possible, yes. Do they provide us with a sense of security, yes, but in the end, it's about results. Either you achieved them, or you didn't

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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    We have live footage of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, the Field Museum here in Chicago has a wonderful exhibit on dinosaurs, and next time you're in a colder climate, breath, you might be surprised at what you see
    Yes, but you were there. You implied conspiracy level stuff with studies. It's all a C-O-N-spriacy bro. You didn't see them and that's just video that could have been filmed on a sound stage and skeletons that could have been built of plaster. As for the breath? That's not air...that's water vapor that you're breathing out...come on man.

    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    If you truly worked in this industry you would never call out ChromaDex. They're one of the most respected labs in the country
    Except plenty of science comes from respected people, including science on BCAAs from guys like Aragon and Schoenfeld. But by your ridiculous argument, if one isn't physically there, how can you trust the result. Same with Chromadex, especially when there is refusal to share said results and the follow up is, "Just trust us."

    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Now back to studies. Are flaws possible, yes. Do they provide us with a sense of security, yes, but in the end, it's about results. Either you achieved them, or you didn't

    Carry on my friend, I'm outtie
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    I don't think Chromadex does testing on products other than their own patented ingredients anymore FWIW
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