Schools brace for massive student walk outs over gun violence

[Tuksonrider]

Law-abiding gun owners are going to bring punishment upon themselves if they don't address that problem. First they have to admit they have one.

And I disagree that yours is the only solution. I don't think anything is the "only" solution. Yes, I think people should have more training if they own guns, but I don't think more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will result in less crime. Not by itself. We have to address mental illness, poverty, and other social issues that lead to criminality at the same time.

The punishment for having your firearm stolen because you didn't secure it is that you are out a gun which probably costs several hundred dollars to more than a thousand. If stolen from your home or vehicle, if the value of your firearm is under your deductible, or close to it, it doesn't make sense to file an insurance claim. Your premiums would likely go up.

Just saying... there is a pretty big financial punishment for stolen firearms.

[Dave22reborn]

Why would I want my guns anywhere but on my property? Asinine recommendation.

Instead of passing new laws, how about we actually enforce the ones currently on the books. This woman bought 4 guns to sell to gang members in the lib utopia of Chicago. 4 felonies, and all she got was probation. Dems afraid to piss off their voting base, so they don't actually prosecute these people. Why aren't you talking about that hole? Why are you focused on disarming law abiding people?

See: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/170419171/

I swear, some people lack basic common sense.

[Austanian]

Law-abiding gun owners are going to bring punishment upon themselves if they don't address that problem. First they have to admit they have one.

And I disagree that yours is the only solution. I don't think anything is the "only" solution. Yes, I think people should have more training if they own guns, but I don't think more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will result in less crime. Not by itself. We have to address mental illness, poverty, and other social issues that lead to criminality at the same time.

The PROBLEM is that people want to kill other people. Not the tool used...

Save a life turn in your knife... Ban crock pots... Ban Vehicles.

There is always going to be a certain amount of violence and as we have seen from Australia and UK gun bans they did nothing to alter homicide rate just the "gun deaths".

[FFailed]

Why would I want my guns anywhere but on my property? Asinine recommendation.

Instead of passing new laws, how about we actually enforce the ones currently on the books. This woman bought 4 guns to sell to gang members in the lib utopia of Chicago. 4 felonies, and all she got was probation. Dems afraid to piss off their voting base, so they don't actually prosecute these people. Why aren't you talking about that hole? Why are you focused on disarming law abiding people?

See: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/170419171/

From a different article about the same girl

"Mousheh bought a Glock pistol and reported it stolen, police said. It was later recovered from a juvenile in the 10th District. Mousheh called a Firearms Investigation Team sergeant and asked how to get her stolen gun back. The team investigated and found that Mousheh had bought four Glocks in the last six months, police said. "

It sounds like she tried getting back a recovered gun she sold to a gang banger and ended up getting busted when they looked into what she was doing. I wonder how many "Stolen" weapons are actually sold like the idiot in this story.

[PSToolman]

The PROBLEM is that people want to kill other people. Not the tool used...

Save a life turn in your knife... Ban crock pots... Ban Vehicles.

There is always going to be a certain amount of violence and as we have seen from Australia and UK gun bans they did nothing to alter homicide rate just the "gun deaths".

Yet nothing in my post that you are responding to had anything to do with gun control. It was mostly about addressing the reasons people want to kill each other.

[ohiostate124]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

[Tuksonrider]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

*double face palm*
Our future is phucked.

[Better Unborn]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

It's like wearing an SS officer uniform and holding a sign to stop anti-semitism.

[Bushmaster]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

If you had told me before that you could actually feel pain from the shock of irony I would not have believed it... until now.

[dhawkeye1980]

Law-abiding gun owners are going to bring punishment upon themselves if they don't address that problem. First they have to admit they have one.

And I disagree that yours is the only solution. I don't think anything is the "only" solution. Yes, I think people should have more training if they own guns, but I don't think more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will result in less crime. Not by itself. We have to address mental illness, poverty, and other social issues that lead to criminality at the same time.

Law abiding gun owners do not have a problem. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[Dave22reborn]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

I'd like to think that maybe she'll grow up, and realize how ignorant that sign is. Then I look at some of the responses in this thread, some of them made by 60 year olds, and that hope disappears.

[Holyfenix]

No, the logic is expand the existing law that holds irresponsible gun owners at least partly responsible for how their guns are used after they are stolen. If the gun is stolen because the owner was negligent and left it unsecured and then used in the commission of a crime, it is my opinion that the gun owner has some culpability. Current law does not agree, however the law does hold the owner of a gun responsible if the gun is used negligently, such as a kid picks up a gun that should be secured and accidentally hurts himself or someone else.

So let me get your logic straight here. You want to punish law-abiding citizens for other people breaking the law? Of course the law doesn't agree that a citizen who had their property stolen should not be punished because a CRIMINAL broke the law. And yes the same logic should be applied to cars then, since criminals steal cars and then use them to commit other crimes... And in your mental retardation of a mind who decides what is negligent? If my guns are in a safe but the criminal cracks the safe am I still negligent for not paying more for a more secure safe? If my guns total up to $1k how much does my safe need to cost to ensure I'm not negligent? What if my house is locked, and I have an alarm but a criminal gets past those two obstacles too? Should I have a guard dog? What if I'm allergic to dogs?

This is honestly the most troubling things I see when it comes to gun control laws and its prevalent in all gun control advocates, it always boils down to punishing those who have never committed a crime because criminals have. Absolute insanity.

[Kiknskreem]

No, that's not what I said at all, and in fact the idea of private businesses offering secure storage of those weapons you don't need immediate access to would not involve new laws at all, that I can see.

The fact that no such businesses currently exist would seem to suggest there isn't much of a market for this idea.

[Dave22reborn]

Most drive-bye shootings are done in stolen vehicles, let's punish the owner of the vehicle.....liberal logic.

[Kiknskreem]

Would it be that far fetched to introduce a bank type system for gun owners where they could store the guns and have the place protected by say ex marines.

Yes. People do not want to be forced to store their property in such a place.

[LizzieTish]

They should really be staging a walk out protesting big pharma and overprescription of SSRI drugs.

High School Protesters Doing The 'Heavy Lifting' For The Establishment.
https://steemit.com/news/@asymetric/...-establishment

Color Revolutionizing the U.S. First & Second Amendments out of existence.
https://asymmetricworldwar.wordpress...nd-amendments/

[dhawkeye1980]

And you bought it?

Must be fake right?

[PSToolman]

Must be fake right?

I don’t know. What is that? It doesn’t seem to support your assertion. It shows that a kid may be suspended for 24 hours for not following instructions. Any more information?

[nkiritsis13]

These are the kind of morons we are dealing with and the same kids CNN thinks should be allowed to vote.

Forget gun reform, there needs to be a generational reform for all of these imbeciles.

Seriously: Go do a little digging on local gun laws and it offers a new appreciation as to how even more naive and ludicrous the NRA witch hunt is in the scheme of readily accessible information. Third party firearm groups offer a plethora of information in clear, streamlined, and straightforward presentations that make the official state websites look like convoluted, amateur work. Furthermore, sites like the NRA's provide ample support for responsible gun usage, insurance, locking your firearm, training courses, state-by-state laws, where gun permits transfer across state boarders, so on and so forth. Government websites are bullet points and pdf files that are only as useful as ctrl+f allows, they are spread across different URLs to make finding information even more difficult, and in fact, one of the main sites for my own state just gave you the old "derp-site-can't-be-reached" errors.

What is alarming about the education aspect is how not only us it one sided, but there is no effort to even create an accessible means for edification on the subject of gun laws and ownership. Compared to how easy it is to sign up for a driver's education course, or even all sorts of abstract filler in school curriculums, it's no wonder that there is so much ignorance and why fear mongering us so effective. Using my own high school's phys ed course as an example, albeit from over 10 years ago now, we literally had to learn about boating and test for a bloody boating license. Yeah, great use of school time.

Meanwhile as we fast forward to the present day, all kids know is that school shootings are happening hashtag-literally on the hour, because the NRA is handing out guns to brooding psychopaths like free ice cream cones at Dairy Queen on national ice cream day. It's totally not the bullying, social isolation, over-medication, mental instability, or anything that could be attributed to a person, because we all know that everyone is a hashtag-special, unique, non-binary star in the infinite sky who could never be faulted for anything of their own doing.

So, even though the NRA goes above and beyond for providing resources on firearms, despite being a private organization, these dumb-dildos just want to play ostrich, stick their heads into the ground, and la-la-la-la! the guns away. We need more tide challenges to kick natural selection up a notch.

[CaliSuperSport]

Teenagers that have no clue wtf they're talking about. Color me surprised.

[dhawkeye1980]

I don’t know. What is that? It doesn’t seem to support your assertion. It shows that a kid may be suspended for 24 hours for not following instructions. Any more information?

A student suspended in IL for not walking out

[Dave22reborn]

Teenagers that have no clue wtf they're talking about. Color me surprised.

I remember being 12, and we had some in class vote on who should be president, Clinton or Bush Sr. We all chose Clinton......"Because Bush Sr. is an old fart."

I will say it's hilarious with Dems and the left, they want to reduce the voting age, but raise it when it comes to everything else.

[MiscInformed]

Forget gun reform, there needs to be a generational reform for all of these imbeciles.

Seriously: Go do a little digging on local gun laws and it offers a new appreciation as to how even more naive and ludicrous the NRA witch hunt is in the scheme of readily accessible information. Third party firearm groups offer a plethora of information in clear, streamlined, and straightforward presentations that make the official state websites look like convoluted, amateur work. Furthermore, sites like the NRA's provide ample support for responsible gun usage, insurance, locking your firearm, training courses, state-by-state laws, where gun permits transfer across state boarders, so on and so forth. Government websites are bullet points and pdf files that are only as useful as ctrl+f allows, they are spread across different URLs to make finding information even more difficult, and in fact, one of the main sites for my own state just gave you the old "derp-site-can't-be-reached" errors.

What is alarming about the education aspect is how not only us it one sided, but there is no effort to even create an accessible means for edification on the subject of gun laws and ownership. Compared to how easy it is to sign up for a driver's education course, or even all sorts of abstract filler in school curriculums, it's no wonder that there is so much ignorance and why fear mongering us so effective. Using my own high school's phys ed course as an example, albeit from over 10 years ago now, we literally had to learn about boating and test for a bloody boating license. Yeah, great use of school time.

Meanwhile as we fast forward to the present day, all kids know is that school shootings are happening hashtag-literally on the hour, because the NRA is handing out guns to brooding psychopaths like free ice cream cones at Dairy Queen on national ice cream day. It's totally not the bullying, social isolation, over-medication, mental instability, or anything that could be attributed to a person, because we all know that everyone is a hashtag-special, unique, non-binary star in the infinite sky who could never be faulted for anything of their own doing.

So, even though the NRA goes above and beyond for providing resources on firearms, despite being a private organization, these dumb-dildos just want to play ostrich, stick their heads into the ground, and la-la-la-la! the guns away. We need more tide challenges to kick natural selection up a notch.

Don't forget, an actual NRA instructor with an AR-15 stopped the church shooting in Texas, while not one of these gun-grabbing leftist *******s have stopped a single shooting incident.

https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/rem...hurch-shooting

[T-mac]

Would the criminals leave their guns in it too? Would the criminals wait the hour or so it would take me to drive over to get my gun before they come and do a home invasion on my family and possibly murder us? Oh wait its 2am sorry criminals i only allow home invasions during normal business hours since the gun bank isnt 24 hour
Im sure the criminals would understand and accomidate right?

Sorry, I overlooked your response earlier.

From my understanding, legal gun owners have guns for the following reasons: protection, sport and collection.
The gun used for protection should be on the owner at all times and the ones used for sport and collection are usually stored away. Would it be that far fetched to introduce a bank type system for gun owners where they could store the guns and have the place protected by say ex marines.

You would still have your gun for protection with you. I'm just talking about putting the extra ones away in the bank the same way we do with money. You don't keep your extra money in your home, couldn't you do the same with your guns?

None your "ideas" would stop gun violence nor impact crime in anyway. Just like it didn't work in the UK.

I'll have to disagree, The UK government review shows the trend overall is going downwards, a one year increase out of 10 isn't a failure.

http://researchbriefings.files.parli...4/CBP-7654.pdf

2. Great so again disarm law abiding citizens...

None your "ideas" would stop gun violence nor impact crime in anyway.

The issue i'm trying to address with my ideas is the gun theft problem from legal gun owners. Another analogy i can use is people can't stop car theft alone just by having more cops to hunt for criminals, The first solution that was created for it was locks, then it moved to alarms and now it's immobilizers. Cars with immobilizers is highly unlikely to be stolen. We just need to get to that point with guns.

[dhawkeye1980]

Sorry, I overlooked your response earlier.



You would still have your gun for protection with you. I'm just talking about putting the extra ones away in the bank the same way we do with money. You don't keep your extra money in your home, couldn't you do the same with your guns?



I'll have to disagree, The UK government review shows the trend overall is going downwards, a one year increase out of 10 isn't a failure.

http://researchbriefings.files.parli...4/CBP-7654.pdf



The issue i'm trying to address with my ideas is the gun theft problem from legal gun owners. Another analogy i can use is people can't stop car theft alone just by having more cops to hunt for criminals, The first solution that was created for it was locks, then it moved to alarms and now it's immobilizers. Cars with immobilizers is highly unlikely to be stolen. We just need to get to that point with guns.

Or you stiffen the penalty for someone caught in possession of a stolen firearm, say minimum 20 years?

[T-mac]

Or you stiffen the penalty for someone caught in possession of a stolen firearm, say minimum 20 years?

That's a good start, it would be a better deterrent for people who use the guns for robberies/assault. The only problem I see with this is the people who use guns for homicide. when facing life in prison/death penalty, an additional 20 years isn't going to affect these people.

What about giving police more power to check for the stolen guns. Would you be ok with something like that or would you like to take our train of thought a different direction?

[Dave22reborn]

That's a good start, it would be a better deterrent for people who use the guns for robberies/assault. The only problem I see with this is the people who use guns for homicide. when facing life in prison/death penalty, an additional 20 years isn't going to affect these people.

What about giving police more power to check for the stolen guns. Would you be ok with something like that or would you like to take our train of thought a different direction?

When you arrest someone for a gun, you have to inventory that gun and make notifications. I'm pretty sure it would come back as stolen, if it was actually stolen.

[twovalvekid]

Normalize this for the # of firearms owned and i bet you have a very different graph. Total number statistics like this are literally useless unless you do that. For example, looks like from 2005 to 2006 thefts went up by about 7% (10,000 thefts?). Unless the total number of firearms in circulation in the US stayed the same for that year, the statistic is useless. For perspective, there were probably more firearms purchases on black Friday alone than that increase.

Not a shocker the literal number of gun thefts is up as gun ownership is at record highs as well. I would be willing to bet this graph almost matches the total firearms ownership stats. if anything it's not increasing at the same clip.

Statistics can be a motherfukker...

[JoshSP1985]

A student suspended in IL for not walking out

Wait for not walking out? If I was his parents I would be livid.

[twovalvekid]

Wait for not walking out? If I was his parents I would be livid.

Call the number and find out