Misc Firearms Crew LXXI: [Title confiscated] . . . due process TBD

[fstfrd00]

Haven't noticed anything with the RSA

That Shield...man...it's been my deep concealment carry, loaded with HST's, and the mag I carry with failed to feed with an HST...what the fack. Granted I did shoot the carry mag and the reload that had standard pressure 124 HST first this morning and they functioned, but still...yuck. That is literally the first time in almost 2,000 rounds that I have had a JHP round fail in a pistol I currently own in any way (I did have a lemon G30SF with problems, and a P3AT back in the day)

Any chance of limp-wrist?
IDK if 1 in 2000 is a cause for concern.

[MoeBettuh]

Any chance of limp-wrist?
IDK if 1 in 2000 is a cause for concern.

It would surprise me if he limp wristed it. He shoots more pistol rounds in a year than most people do in a lifetime, srs.

[fstfrd00]

It would suprise me to

[Farley1324]

Any chance of limp-wrist?
IDK if 1 in 2000 is a cause for concern.

Not a chance.

That 1 in 2,000 is across ALL currently owned handguns. That particular gun only has 430 rounds on it and only about 120 of those are JHP.

I also don't buy into that lame ass excuse for why a defensive pistol malfunctions. There's no telling what kind of grip you might get on a gun when you are literally fighting for your life. If a pistol doesn't run quality/defensive ammo one handed with a pathetic half ass grip, I'm not carrying it and will probably sell it. I was using a strong two handed grip going for time on the clock with a +P round in this case, so it just plain failed to feed, for whatever reason.

[SpeedCheeser]

Farley, where are you getting those quotes from? Was that already mentioned?

Also, my history is clearly lacking, but what's with the militia having officers and leaders etc.? Were they actually training as an organized militia at that time and appointing officers?

[fstfrd00]

Not a chance.

That 1 in 2,000 is across ALL currently owned handguns. That particular gun only has 430 rounds on it and only about 120 of those are JHP.

I also don't buy into that lame ass excuse for why a defensive pistol malfunctions. There's no telling what kind of grip you might get on a gun when you are literally fighting for your life. If a pistol doesn't run quality/defensive ammo one handed with a pathetic half ass grip, I'm not carrying it and will probably sell it. I was using a strong two handed grip going for time on the clock with a +P round in this case, so it just plain failed to feed, for whatever reason.

OK.
Isn't that why we train / take classes?

[OfficerJimLahey]

Farley, where are you getting those quotes from? Was that already mentioned?

Also, my history is clearly lacking, but what's with the militia having officers and leaders etc.? Were they actually training as an organized militia at that time and appointing officers?

I thought you were an officer in your militia.

[Ikeman83]

OK.
Isn't that why we train / take classes?

-Your right hand is covered in blood, and your left hand is busy creating space. Why should your gun jam?

[Farley1324]

Farley, where are you getting those quotes from? Was that already mentioned.

Also, my history is clearly lacking, but what's with the militia having officers and leaders etc.? Were they actually training as an organized militia at that time and appointing officers?

These are daily shorts from one of the Appleseed instructors. There is so much more to the story as told at an Appleseed, but attention spans for reading are short

Short answer yes

[Farley1324]

Here is an example from the First Strike from the RWVA, starting at the shot heard 'round the world. This is the part that gets me


"Suddenly, a shot rings out - possibly from a pistol. Instantly, the British infantry begin to fire without orders. At first you can hear the individual reports, and then it becomes a tearing sound, like the ripping of fabric. The Regulars fire high and in the first volley, no one is hit. Some even think the Regulars are not firing ball. They quickly reload, as they are trained, and with the second volley, Parker's men begin to fall. Many are shot in the back as they try to leave. The Regulars fire several volleys in quick succession.

The men in Parker's company who stand their ground and return fire on the morning of April 19th, 1775, are the older veterans who have seen battle before. Many recall Capt. Parker's kinsman, Jonas Parker, standing with flints and balls in his hat between his feet and declaring he will never run. He is killed in the second volley. Ebenezer Munroe shouts "I'll give them the guts of my gun!" as he fires back. Robert Munroe dies on the very spot he has mustered. Jonathon Harrington is mortally wounded returning to his home - shot in the back. He falls not far from his house, as his wife and son look on in horror. He crawls to his home, inch by inch, to die on his own doorstep - another recipient of the King's benevolence.

The Regulars, now in a killing mood, are chasing Militiamen into buildings and firing at will. Joshua Simonds races into the meetinghouse with several Regulars in pursuit. He runs upstairs to where the town's gunpowder is stored and plunges his loaded musket into a barrel of powder awaiting his pursuers. He will not let them take the powder; not even if it means his own life.

At this moment, Col. Francis Smith arrives on the field. He is mortified at the carnage that he finds. There are dead and wounded Militia strewn about the bloody grass of the common. His famed British infantry, known for their discipline on the battlefield, are running wildly; their officers unable to control them.

Col. Smith is a seasoned soldier and knows exactly what to do. He summons his drummer and orders him to beat the call to arms. The Regulars have heard this call countless times on their training field and slowly they begin to heed its throbbing rhythm.

Reluctantly, the Regulars cease all firing and begin to form up as Col. Smith has ordered. When the white smoke of hundreds of musket shots clears, eight Militiamen lay dead or dying, with another nine wounded.

Of the eight sets of fathers and sons in Capt. Parker's company, five are separated by death this day. The King's men suffer only one minor casualty - a private has been shot through the thigh."







Captain Parker and his men are not finished, though. This day is not over.

[OrificeSpunk]

780 or so rounds. 650 Fed AM and ~120 Fed HST. And a handful of Lawman. No stoppages or malfunctions yet, not even a slide lock early or fail to lock on empty. Still just the 2 mags it came with though I preferentially use the 'extended' mag

I don't trust it to carry yet, but don't trust that Shield now either, soooo hm

I have one major reservation, and that is the MIM striker dragging across the primer when I know some others have had the tip break off their striker.

All primers look more or less the same


(the black here is sharpie put on the round in the mag to verify which direction the striker is traveling across the primer)

Add this to the list of the problems of the piss365. I definitely see a ruptured primer or broken firing pin at some point in the future. Is sig paying you guys to do the alpha testing of these handguns?

I wouldn't even trust shooting hot loads out of that thing(no homo)

[Farley1324]

Add this to the list of the problems of the piss365. I definitely see a ruptured primer or broken firing pin at some point in the future. Is sig paying you guys to do the alpha testing of these handguns?

I wouldn't even trust shooting hot loads out of that thing(no homo)

It would likely be a broken (MIM) pin. The tearing motion happens after the primer is ignited, as the slide moves back and the barrel cams down at the breech, before the striker has been retracted. Or so is my limited understanding of what these marks and their directions indicate.

[DualRectifier]

Seems like a good idea to give SIG a year or two to finally and reluctantly acknowledge some of the many problems with the P365, then offer a half-assed repair/upgrade program to all you operators who don't know how to shoot a handgun (which is really the cause of the malfunctions).

[fstfrd00]

-Your right hand is covered in blood, and your left hand is busy creating space. Why should your gun jam?

Short answer: In an ideal world it wouldn't.
That brings me back to my previous question: Isn't that why we train / take classes? What will we do when, for whatever reason, the gun fails.

Oh, I was referencing the bolded part talking about grip in high stress situations.

[Farley1324]

OK.
Isn't that why we train / take classes?

Isn't what why?

Short answer: In an ideal world it wouldn't.
That brings me back to my previous question: Isn't that why we train / take classes? What will we do when, for whatever reason, the gun fails.

Oh, I was referencing the bolded part talking about grip in high stress situations.

Well yes if the gun jams you should be able to take appropriate action without delay. In my example a tap-rack-reassess aka immediate action aka phase I malfunction clearance, and as is usually the case for a stoppage in a semi auto pistol, that would clear the problem and restore normal operation.

But your post made it sound like it's not a major ding on the gun (or magazine or ammo) if it was a limp wrist. There are too many gun/mag/ammo combinations that will run with an absolute **** grip to accept anything less.

You cannot, simply, can, not, guarantee proper grip on a pistol in a defensive firearm use. All kinds of crazy **** happens, including injuries and awkward positions and extreme muscle fatigue or cramping and did I mention injury?

Just my opinion but if somebody says "oh that was just a limp wrist not the gun's fault" or similar, put them on mute and don't listen to a damn thing they say about anything self defense/firearms related ever again. It's just a lame ass excuse for a gun that doesn't work

[BlueSasquatch]

That brings me back to my previous question: Isn't that why we train / take classes? What will we do when, for whatever reason, the gun fails.

[DualRectifier]

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[SpeedCheeser]

These are daily shorts from one of the Appleseed instructors. There is so much more to the story as told at an Appleseed, but attention spans for reading are short

cliffs?

Short answer yes

So how do you reconcile that with the antis that argue about militias supposed to be an organized military like the NG or something?

I guess the argument is still that the militia includes all males and whether we are or not currently, we could still choose to meet and train as an MFC militia and give ourselves titles like Sgt Farley and Colonel Cheeser?

[SpeedCheeser]

lol. bullets had no effect.

> ducks from gun thrown at him.

[fstfrd00]

Just my opinion but if somebody says "oh that was just a limp wrist not the gun's fault" or similar, put them on mute and don't listen to a damn thing they say about anything self defense/firearms related ever again. It's just a lame ass excuse for a gun that doesn't work

If anything fails, user error is never an issue to examine?!

[SpeedCheeser]

If anything fails, user error is never an issue to examine?!

I think you missed his point. No gun intended to be used for self defense should suffer from limp wrist issues.

[fstfrd00]

I think you missed his point. No gun intended to be used for self defense should suffer from limp wrist issues.

That makes sense.
My apologies for missing your point Farley

[CdtCox]

Farley, where are you getting those quotes from? Was that already mentioned?

Also, my history is clearly lacking, but what's with the militia having officers and leaders etc.? Were they actually training as an organized militia at that time and appointing officers?

Bunch of old bros from the French & Indians Wars




Im telling the story of April 19th to my class on Monday lol

[Meatie]

Bunch of old bros from the French & Indians Wars

Im telling the story of April 19th to my class on Monday lol

Teacher is gonna chew you out with "Hey!! we dont discuss issues relating to toxic patriotism in this class"

CDTCOX jumps up on the desk and yells INFANTRY DOG! *Glory comes sprinting through the door* the class cheers on.

"You know you ****ed up teach, because im an INFANTRYMAN. *delivers devastating stone cold stunner*

[spirit750]

But at what point do we stop taking a picture every time a gun malfunctions, and start training ourselves to immediately clear the malfunction? (regardless of what caused it)

Do you ever worry that you're training yourself to stop and examine instead of clear?

[CdtCox]

But at what point do we stop taking a picture every time a gun malfunctions, and start training ourselves to immediately clear the malfunction? (regardless of what caused it)

Do you ever worry that you're training yourself to stop and examine instead of clear?

acquire Glock 9mm, don't worry about malfunctions

[Adarus]

But at what point do we stop taking a picture every time a gun malfunctions, and start training ourselves to immediately clear the malfunction? (regardless of what caused it)

Do you ever worry that you're training yourself to stop and examine instead of clear?

I'm just going to tell the home intruder to wait while I ask MFC wtf happened to my gun.

[Farley1324]

cliffs?



So how do you reconcile that with the antis that argue about militias supposed to be an organized military like the NG or something?

I guess the argument is still that the militia includes all males and whether we are or not currently, we could still choose to meet and train as an MFC militia and give ourselves titles like Sgt Farley and Colonel Cheeser?

Pretty easy to say "Really? You think the purpose of the Bill of Rights is so the federal government can prohibit itself from infringing on itself? So free speech, assembly, these only apply to the armed forces? It's beyond stupid to say an Amendment in the Bill of Rights is there to tell the federal government not to disarm itself. The second militia act of 1792 "provided for the organization of the state militias. It conscripted every "free able-bodied white male citizen" between the ages of 18 and 45 into a local militia company" so maybe the liberals only want able bodied white males 18-45 to be allowed arms without infringement? That changed in the civil war to the age of 54 and without care of race. So that second militia act defining militia as able bodied white males, passed in 1792...the Bill of Rights wasn't effective until December of 1791. So, basically the exact same time. Clearly, this is not meant to tell the federal government it can have arms lol

But at what point do we stop taking a picture every time a gun malfunctions, and start training ourselves to immediately clear the malfunction? (regardless of what caused it)

Do you ever worry that you're training yourself to stop and examine instead of clear?

That's a good philosophical question. If you take classes they will probably feature ball and dummy drills, or just having dummy rounds/snap caps randomly mixed into magazines as you are shooting drills and you go through them. Personally I glance down and move to smack the magazine, do so, and then kind of pantomime racking the slide if I am going to stop and examine what happened, while thinking "I should be racking this ****". You should re-actively fix the problem but you should also know what's going on with your firearm.

So, do drills with snaps/dummies to practice immediate and remedial action, but know how/why your firearm mishaps.

acquire Glock 9mm, don't worry about malfunctions

My main G19.4 has 4,065 rounds of flawless function. Second one is over 1k with the only failures being when I ignorantly tried to run steel case in Magpul mags which it turns out doesn't work (too much friction between the steel cases and the non metal lined Magpul mags)

[Farley1324]

So, my P365 has 1,015 rounds through it now. 0 stoppages or malfunctions.

The primer strikes are worrisome, and so is the accelerated wear and peening, but...1,015 rounds of flawless function.

[Meatie]

so its safe to say that the barrel wear is cosmetic? I dont think it'll impact function, right?. still looks gnarly. I was told the gun ships with very tight tolerances and you need to dunk it in a vat of grease.

On paper, who has better reliability from Farleys point of view?

Sig P365 or Stinky wessen SHIELD??????