I'd like to know your estimate based on personal experience or statistics.
What percentage of the western world's entire female population can bench 40kg for 1 rep?
What percentage for squats, also 40kg and 1 rep?
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02-20-2018, 11:11 AM #1
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02-20-2018, 03:14 PM #10
Benching 40 kg for an untrained woman is difficult. I can probably squeeze out maybe 2-3 reps for 85 lb on the bench (did 2 reps at that weight a couple weeks ago), been training almost a year. Squatting? should be achievable for the vast majority of woman untrained (or at least in my experience my first day squatting I was able to do 2 reps with 75 lb with 90 lb body weight).
They said she's gone too far this time
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02-20-2018, 04:01 PM #11
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02-20-2018, 04:26 PM #13
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The general population you shouldn't worry about, they're untrained. It's like asking what percentage of people who've never been to school can read and write. Not many - most people need school for it.
In my gym, every healthy woman under 50yo can in her first three months squat 60, bench 40 and deadlift 80kg. For the smaller ones (under 60kg) with no history of training or sports, that weight might be a grindy single (eg they get up to benching 35 for 5s, so could do a shaky touch-and-go with 40 if the tried), for the larger ones (over 70kg) with some training history, they might do as much as 80/50/100 for work sets. I've had two women do 100+kg squats for work sets in their first 3 months, but they both had a training history and were themselves around 100kg. So 60/40/80 is about the minimum.
This assumes they show up at least 24 times in 3 months, ie at least twice a week with a week off in there somewhere. The ones who show up 33-39 times tend to do more than those baseline numbers, the ones who show up 20 times or less tend to fizzle out and stop coming, and none of them achieve much.
Obviously eating matters, but generally those who show up consistently will also eat fairly well. You don't get someone who shows up 39 times in 3 months but lives on cigarettes and KFC, or kale shakes; if her food is awful she's tired all the time and workouts make her unbearably sore, so she'll come a few times then fizzle out.
So, 60/40/80 in the first 3 months with a more-or-less competent trainer and a good gym environment. On your own, if you don't do it in 6 months you're probably never going to do it and need some in-person help. Those who do achieve it on their own, most will futz about at those numbers for years afterwards. The end of the novice phase are when things get hard, both physically and mentally, and programming becomes more complex, too. It doesn't take brilliant programming and coaching for a woman to do 60/40/80, for her to do (for example) 100/60/140 is more complicated and hard.
For reference, the comparable male numbers are 100/75/120 for the first 3 months, and they likewise if training on their own will futz about for years there.
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02-20-2018, 04:55 PM #14
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i have a female friend that picked up a barbell for the first time and was doing a few reps at 30kg... that was literally her first time benching .. I was impressed... she was probably 65kg... was doing goblet squats with 30kg for reps...
Also, My starting squat was 215lb, deadlift 300lb, and bench was 125lb w00t!! been 3 months and I wass at 315, 150, and 385... I still suck at benching to this day ;[Fluid's happy-sunshine-bright-feeling-for-you Fierce5 log -- now with REAL cheese!
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02-21-2018, 12:46 AM #16
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OP - these kinds of statistics are easy to find
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html
Short answer: 40kg is about 1 notch above total beginner for squat - but more like intermediate for bench.
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02-21-2018, 04:19 AM #17
I benched that much soon after I started lifting, probably first month. 30 kg was definitely too easy for bench when I began lifting. I don't remember the squats because I always had to be more cautious with that due to my knees.
BTW I hope the time comes when training for strength will be as popular among women than among men. It will bring a few surprises for the general population.
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02-21-2018, 05:16 AM #18
Probably about 35.0%
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06-25-2019, 09:08 PM #19
I don't know that but I know that I do working sets of bench 40kg 4 sets, 5 reps and squats sets on anywhere between 60-80kg 4 sets, 6-8 reps. That's after a few months of training consistently and working crazy hard.
When I started I was wobbly with the bar...
Did a powerlifting meet, completely bombed bench and accepted I had to work harder at it.Last edited by Kaykayye; 06-25-2019 at 09:18 PM.
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06-25-2019, 10:30 PM #20
Well, I weigh about 46kg and can bench ~68kg (150lb) for 1 rep. My squat is a bit lower but its around 62kg. These numbers weren't too difficult for me to achieve just took around 6 months of training and eating like crazy. I think people, women especially, underestimate just how strong the average healthy female can get with a bit of food and consistent weight training.
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06-26-2019, 12:47 PM #21
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06-27-2019, 11:43 PM #23
I kinda suck at squats but my wife, who never did anything athletic, was doing 155lbs for 5x5 after a couple months of maybe once a week sporadic lifting. But she is only 60" tall with over 100 lbs of lean mass. And she is kinda all over with the weights. Some days she feels lazy and does 115, but usually it's at least 135. But she only benches 75-85
2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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06-28-2019, 05:02 AM #24Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.
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06-28-2019, 06:18 AM #25
I see a girl that I went to school with (well, with her brother, she's several years younger) at the gym I go to every now and then. I'm not sure what her max is, but I see her repping 185 pounds on the bench press which is like what... 85kg? She can't be 5 foot tall but you can tell she gets after it in the gym.
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06-28-2019, 04:46 PM #26
How much does she weigh? Does she train strictly for strength (at a powerlifting gym)? Is she an athlete...like a gymnast? For how long has she been strength training?
I ask these questions because I've been in commercial gyms for 15 years, with hard-working dedicated consistent BBs and regular gym-goers... I've never seen a woman this petite bench 185 lbs....unless she's the naturally powerful Simone Biles!!Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.
Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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06-28-2019, 05:07 PM #272022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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06-28-2019, 08:52 PM #28
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06-29-2019, 03:51 AM #29Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.
Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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06-29-2019, 09:10 AM #30
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