At least 16 dead in Florida school shooting

[mtpockets]

At least 16 people are dead after a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, law enforcement officials told CNN.
The suspect, a former student, was taken into custody "after he committed this horrific, homicidal, detestable act," Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said. Law enforcement sources told CNN that the suspect has been identified as Nicolas Cruz.

At least 14 people have been taken to area hospitals following the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The shooting caused "numerous" fatalities, Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said. He did not know the exact number.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/fl...ing/index.html


Edit; CBS reports 17 deaths

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-...-live-updates/

[Mark1T]

The suspect was known to be verbally violent and threatening and is alleged that he bragged about his guns through photos on his phone and had been expelled for disciplinary reasons among other disturbing things.

[Karl_Hungus]

Inside the school...

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...200120614.html

[drudixon]

Sad day....

[Corbi]

The suspect was known to be verbally violent and threatening and is alleged that he bragged about his guns through photos on his phone and had been expelled for disciplinary reasons among other disturbing things.

How old is this kid and who was buying him guns?
I have never understood and never will the mindset of someone who gets so pissed off they are willing to go to this extreme and don't care if they end up dead or in prison for life. I can see getting into a fistfight with someone who's being an ass but to ruin your entire life over whats usually petty bull$hit is just asinine.

[kimm4]

What disturbs me the most is people knew he had guns. He was on numerous sites and no one said anything. Things like this need to be brought to the attention of law enforcement so they can check things out.

Now it's too late and it's absolutely horrible.

[EDMFloridaBrah]

Death penalty plz



By firing squad, preferrably

[Mark1T]

How old is this kid and who was buying him guns?
I have never understood and never will the mindset of someone who gets so pissed off they are willing to go to this extreme and don't care if they end up dead or in prison for life. I can see getting into a fistfight with someone who's being an ass but to ruin your entire life over whats usually petty bull$hit is just asinine.

18 is the minimum age to buy guns legally in Florida. IMO, too young. His social media is/full of gun pics. Guy is fukked up.

What disturbs me the most is people knew he had guns. He was on numerous sites and no one said anything. Things like this need to be brought to the attention of law enforcement so they can check things out.

Now it's too late and it's absolutely horrible.

Very true. No one can argue against any of that.

[kimm4]

all the fore warnings in the world wouldn't have helped....

he didn't do anything illegal until he walked into that school today, and by then it was way too late !

I don't know about that. They were interviewing kids who thought he was the shooter before they even found out who the shooter was. From what he had posted on social media should've been enough to at least investigate.

Maybe it wouldn't have helped but it doesn't hurt to take that extra step just in case.

I don't how to fix it but innocent kids have just been slaughtered and it's tragic.

[Mark1T]

all the fore warnings in the world wouldn't have helped....

he didn't do anything illegal until he walked into that school today, and by then it was way too late !

I don't know about that. They were interviewing kids who thought he was the shooter before they even found out who the shooter was. From what he had posted on social media should've been enough to at least investigate.

Maybe it wouldn't have helped but it doesn't hurt to take that extra step just in case.

I don't how to fix it but innocent kids have just been slaughtered and it's tragic.

I am hearing that if the shooter was in New York, with all the photos of guns and violent posts on social media and his history, that he would have had his home raided and guns absconded. New York has the most experience with terrorism and these types of incidents. Each State has different laws.

[kimm4]

my point was even if they'd have had the resources to investigate what was he guilty of ?

there's no laws against going to weird websites or owning an AR-15 with a boat load of ammo for non felons..

what infuriates me is the over exposure we're going to get for the next 48 hrs on all of this by the networks because they're all trying to keep up with each other..

we're gonna see all kinds of different angles of what went on today from cell phone camera's, and they're gonna inadvertently make this guy a hero for the next idiot who''s pissed off at the world..

for me there's no human interest story's in what the networks do after these shootings..

there's just an element of sleaziness after 7 or 8 hours !

All good points and I absolutely agree.

[olympianspirit]

Tragic. What a huge tragedy, an absolute disaster.

I can't even begin to comprehend the terror and agony the parents of those school kids will be going through and how their lives are scarred forever.

It's a school for God's sake..these shootings should never have happened :'(

[JoeDelts]

In the past we used to institutionalize mentally ill people. Now we just give them a handful of pills and hope for the best.

[thomashenry]

Prayers for the Families subjected to this evil

[TnTNZ]

It's the 18th school shooting this year? The 8th resulting in death. And it's ... mid February. One fatal school shooting a week.

I just can't even.

[Karl_Hungus]

This is a random thought that I have had about these mass shootings for a long time. I wonder how many of these we would actually see if it wasn't for the instant fame these nutjobs attain when they commit these acts. Soon, the entire country will know who this guy is and his picture will be everywhere. We will know his entire biography and all sorts of details about his life and childhood. I imagine that can be quite appealing to some unstable nut who has nothing going for him in life. Instead of feeling like an anonymous angry loser, he can dominate the news cycle and become a household name.

I'm not sure if this is valid, but I wonder what would happen if the media stopped identifying these wackos....or maybe, didn't obsessively cover this every time it happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the media....I blame the shooter -- but I just can't help thinking that the instant fame is an attractive lure to somebody like this.

[thomashenry]

I saw that and heard the screaming and thought these are children like any other on any other day caught up with whatever 16-18 yr old kids do and think, in an instant everything changed! What a world we live in, my hopes and prayers that these kids will get through this and embrace life for all it is , and just how precious life actually is

[Bando]

All good points and I absolutely agree.

X3.

I was watching this on the treadmill at the gym and the reporters were talking to parents of kids texting them from the scene. I started thinking about the parents who weren't getting texts and thinking about my own 14 and 17 year old. Good grief, what kind of horror to know everyone else is getting messages that your kid is OK and you're getting nothing.

[kimm4]

This is a random thought that I have had about these mass shootings for a long time. I wonder how many of these we would actually see if it wasn't for the instant fame these nutjobs attain when they commit these acts. Soon, the entire country will know who this guy is and his picture will be everywhere. We will know his entire biography and all sorts of details about his life and childhood. I imagine that can be quite appealing to some unstable nut who has nothing going for him in life. Instead of feeling like an anonymous angry loser, he can dominate the news cycle and become a household name.

I'm not sure if this is valid, but I wonder what would happen if the media stopped identifying these wackos....or maybe, didn't obsessively cover this every time it happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the media....I blame the shooter -- but I just can't help thinking that the instant fame is an attractive lure to somebody like this.

Yep.

Truth be told I don't want hear anything about him or his story because I don't give a fuk.

He's a cold blooded killer period the end.

[Brackneyc]

Yep.

Truth be told I don't want hear anything about him or his story because I don't give a fuk.

He's a cold blooded killer period the end.

But the news..,,they must have a reason to exist.

[whatevergirl]

What disturbs me the most is people knew he had guns. He was on numerous sites and no one said anything. Things like this need to be brought to the attention of law enforcement so they can check things out.

Now it's too late and it's absolutely horrible.

This is it, exactly. I feel the same. Not that it's other's faults, but why don't people report what they see, as they see it, along the way? Such a sad day all around.

[RK42]

This is a random thought that I have had about these mass shootings for a long time. I wonder how many of these we would actually see if it wasn't for the instant fame these nutjobs attain when they commit these acts.

Yes, I thought about this before. The idea of getting "famous" might make this more appealing to some disturbed kids. But even simpler, I don't think most of them would even come up with the idea if it wasn't something that is shown on the news all the time.

But realistically, we can't expect that the news media will stop covering it. People read it when it gets published. We discuss it. It definitely is news, so to some degree the news media are just doing their job.

Not publishing the name of the shooter is an interesting idea. Based on a quick search, it is a topic that the media seem split on. I found this in an article titled "Withholding names and information" on a site named ethics.jornalists.org:

There is a growing sentiment that the names of mass killers should not be mentioned, or more realistically, that their names and photos should not be the focus of the news. This is because they often seek attention in their acts and feeding that could fuel copycats.
Most news organizations still identify mass killers, though, saying their identities and information about them are important parts of the story.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

This is a random thought that I have had about these mass shootings for a long time. I wonder how many of these we would actually see if it wasn't for the instant fame these nutjobs attain when they commit these acts. Soon, the entire country will know who this guy is and his picture will be everywhere. We will know his entire biography and all sorts of details about his life and childhood. I imagine that can be quite appealing to some unstable nut who has nothing going for him in life. Instead of feeling like an anonymous angry loser, he can dominate the news cycle and become a household name.

I'm not sure if this is valid, but I wonder what would happen if the media stopped identifying these wackos....or maybe, didn't obsessively cover this every time it happened. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the media....I blame the shooter -- but I just can't help thinking that the instant fame is an attractive lure to somebody like this.

Much truth there Karl.

It's much easier to blame the tools used than to examine the break down in society that has occurred over the last several decades. I do blame the media though to a large degree and the endless coverage of the attackers, I also blame the violent video games, violent and angry music, along with the general disregard for morality in general.

[Mark1T]

Most news organizations identify mass killers because it is money. Free news. Each media outlet spins it to feed their audiences.

If they didn't identify the killers and if they didn't spend way too much time analyzing each aspect, then they risk losing their base.

It is a business.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

It's the 18th school shooting this year? The 8th resulting in death. And it's ... mid February. One fatal school shooting a week.

I just can't even.

I've seen these figures being thrown around today but I'm skeptical of the validity of the number.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/14...ing-signs.html

Wednesday's shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School was the 25th deadly shooting at a U.S. elementary, middle or high school since — and including — Columbine in 1999.

[TnTNZ]

But even simpler, I don't think most of them would even come up with the idea if it wasn't something that is shown on the news all the time.

But realistically, we can't expect that the news media will stop covering it. People read it when it gets published. We discuss it. It definitely is news, so to some degree the news media are just doing their job.

The glorification of violence is not simply an issue for the news media. In western culture, we're perfectly fine with portraying violence in prime time television, physical and sexual violence is mainstream. Show two people making love? Watch the puritans froth at the mouth and lament the effect on children.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/14...ngs-in-us.html

Looks like the number of shootings is actually four since January 1st, only two resulted in casualties, and at least one was an accidental shooting. Only two are "mass shootings", the other looked to be a personal conflict and the one was again accidental.

Though why a 12-year-old (the accidental shooter) felt the need for a gun at shcool is disturbing enough.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/564197207...#sp=show-clips

An interesting video on the link. Their discussion of the link between domestic abuse and mass killers is interesting and not one I've heard before.

[JediRN]

Does anybody get the feeling that thoughts and prayers only seem to be making things worse?

[RK42]

The glorification of violence is not simply an issue for the news media. In western culture, we're perfectly fine with portraying violence in prime time television, physical and sexual violence is mainstream. Show two people making love? Watch the puritans froth at the mouth and lament the effect on children.

Interesting that this comes from Australia. Is it the same thing there? I always thought this was mainly an American thing. I grew up in Europe, and it was not like this at all.