It's 2018... why aren't you vegan yet?

[seven11]

problem is the assumption is being made that we all eat mass produced eggs and meat. The idea that I shouldnt eat eggs because joe shome buys them from walmart and I get them locally sourced from a farm, makes no sense. That goes for farms that breed animals in very good conditions to be farmed, killed, and given to local markets. The idea of killing an animal for meat, in general, is NOT TORTURE. Doing it the way large companies do it though, yes, that is. At that point, you might as well argue fishing and deer hunting shouldnt be done, even though thats incorrect.



grains, vegetables, and nuts contain many compounds that can cause the same effects...Im always confused as to how vegans use this as a way to get their point across. Do you eat vegetables and grains, in other words, CARBS? Carbs feed cancer and are sugar, which can cause diabetes as well. Among MANY other things. You have to understand both sides if you want to argue a point with someone. However, a vegan diet can still lead to health issues, you just arent aware of all the factors.

You are wrong on many points here. I just don't have the time to address this while on my phone.

Feel free to post non-bias peer approved studies that support your point my friend. I'll do the same later

And did you just imply that vegetables are bad?

[21stCenturyKid]

On the face of it this idea to never eat meat seems worthwhile but in actuality will turn you frail, weak and anemic.

[suave2000]

Lol at OP's signature talking about intelligence, then I find out he's an actual communist/antifa cuck

so you support fascism?

[Spoolme]

How to pwn a meat eater 👇

-Show me a study from a published paper, that you "gain muscle faster" from a vegan diet. or better yet, give me a brief example of how to carb cycle while on a vegan diet.

https://youtu.be/9ZrWIJF0i-s
Done.

-My grandparents raise chickens and cows so i'm not eating factory raised animals. Am I still harming the environment?

Yes, watch Cowspiracy.

-Flowers and plants are pretty and can even look majestic, yet you still eat them.

Plants don't have a nervous system. Boom.

-My parents had a neighbor that didn't give a phuck about anything. he ate meat and potatoes slabs of bacon and burgers every damn day drank whiskey every day and smoked like a chimney. He died at the age of 92. He lived alone and wasn't discovered for about a week when his kids went to visit after he stopped returning their calls. They found him on the floor of the kitchen with a bruise on his forehead and a bit of blood on the kitchen counter. They had an autopsy performed and it turned out he died by slipping in the kitchen and hitting his head on the kitchen counter which caused his brain to hemorrhage as for the toxicology. His liver was bad due to drinking alcohol, but he actually had "low" cholesterol levels and had the heart of a 50 year old.

Anecdotal story is anecdotal. #GoVegan

[Maestro]

good ol fashioned tritip


a wedding "cake"


Venison and sausage breakfast taco with cilantro sauce




porterhouse


brisket and egg taco with cheese and green chili on a buttered tortilla

[Spoolme]

Lol at OP's signature talking about intelligence, then I find out he's an actual communist/antifa cuck

Imagine believing that fascism is good and communism is bad.

[Spoolme]

good ol fashioned tritip


a wedding "cake"


Venison and sausage breakfast taco with cilantro sauce




porterhouse


brisket and egg taco with cheese and green chili on a buttered tortilla

SKW snowflake meat eaters always pushing their beliefs on vegans.

[Redfish225]

Hey opie, Sunday I made 6 slabs of baby back ribs, slow cooked for 5 hours slathered in my homemade bbq sauce. They were cooked over hickory wood, They were so tender and juicy I could barely pick them up without falling apart.

[Maestro]

How to pwn a meat eater ������

A youtube video is not a "peer reviewed" and published paper. I specifically said published paper because there is no bias. For example, a lot of researchers go into an experiment with a bias towards an outcome and are usually proven wrong, that is what makes them credible. You'd have to get one from a database of scholarly journals like PubMed.

and I already stated in a previous post that there are a variety of species of plants that have chemoreceptors that allow them to react to outside stimulus. (post #223)

[suave2000]

How to pwn a meat eater ������

just ETHERED, meat eaters can't keep up coping much longer

[KurtMussell]

-Show me a study from a published paper, that you "gain muscle faster" from a vegan diet. or better yet, give me a brief example of how to carb cycle while on a vegan diet.

Do you even VeganGains?

[suave2000]

A youtube video is not a "peer reviewed" and published paper. I specifically said published paper because there is no bias. For example, a lot of researchers go into an experiment with a bias towards an outcome and are usually proven wrong, that is what makes them credible. You'd have to get one from a database of scholarly journals like PubMed.

and I already stated in a previous post that there are a variety of species of plants that have chemoreceptors that allow them to react to outside stimulus. (post #223)

Why are you so bitter and sad?

If you just listened to pachamama and heard what she has to say you would change your ways and see the bigger picture. Inlakeech my brother, I love you my dear child.

[Maestro]

SKW snowflake meat eaters always pushing their beliefs on vegans.

uh, that doesn't even make sense.

vegetarians are fine, its the vegans that are annoying and irrational, and I bet all of us here in our social circles know who the vegans are because they always have to let everyone know they're a vegan.

[Maestro]

Do you even VeganGains?

"faster" is the key word here.

[Maestro]

buttered steak with a few cream cheese filled jalapeno poppers, because, why not?


a burger with deep fried mozzarella sticks

[Maestro]

Again, no problem with vegetarians, its the vegans (especially the radical ones that have made it into their religion) that are cancer;

Vegan Breastfeeding Kills Baby
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist....n-mother-dies/
Vegan breastfeeding has caused an 11 month old baby to die and the parents are charged with neglect after an autopsy indicated the baby suffered from severe deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and Vitamin A. Both these nutrients are known to be critical to a child’s development and sorely lacking in a vegan diet.



Kitten Nearly Dies On Vegan Diet, Gets Healed With Meat
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3644213.html
A kitten who nearly died after its owners fed it a strict vegan diet was nursed back to health with 20 CCs of meat.

It turns out that a diet of potatoes, rice milk and pasta is bad for pussy. Veterinarians in Australia who cared for a violently ill vegan kitten are warning pet owners not to “force ideologies” on their pets, the Herald Sun reports.

Lort Smith Animal Hospital workers in North Melbourne told the site that the kitten was brought in this month by its owners, who were believed to be vegan.

“It was extremely weak and collapsed when it came in. It was almost non-responsive,”

[r0bo]

publix the goat

[CaliSuperSport]

Do you even VeganGains?

you mean that yootoob curl monkey? All arms not much else?



Don't buy into his convictions, he's as biased as any other vegan crusader.

[r0bo]

Do you even VeganGains?

your hero eats copious amounts of meat

[LFAesthetics]

you mean that yootoob curl monkey? All arms not much else?



Don't buy into his convictions, he's as biased as any other vegan crusader.

he still looks like chit after so many years of spewing that nonsense.

[CaliSuperSport]

he still looks like chit after so many years of spewing that nonsense.

His bench was under 200lbs until not that long ago. Plus his legs are lopsided because of some surgery apparently. Just annoying how people try and use his insane arms as a trump card.

[thedarrenestes]

No other time in human history would ideals like OP's have the ability to survive....
Even as few as just 100yrs ago natural selection would have eliminated you through likely tortuous means...
Only now because of strong, meat eating men and women, you have the ability to not only survive such ignoramus beliefs, but also the ability to attempt coercing others into your perverse lifestyle.

The reset is coming soon tho OP....
Please stay safe....and devolve

[FearThisjake]

in on suave vegan thread

[MustardTiger17]

SKW snowflake meat eaters always pushing their beliefs on vegans.

Pot meet kettle

[suave2000]

No other time in human history would ideals like OP's have the ability to survive....
Even as few as just 100yrs ago natural selection would have eliminated you through likely tortuous means...
Only now because of strong, meat eating men and women, you have the ability to not only survive such ignoramus beliefs, but also the ability to attempt coercing others into your perverse lifestyle.

The reset is coming soon tho OP....
Please stay safe....and devolve

more like greed and babylon create hard times. Capitalism aka greed aka babylon has existed long before keynesean bs

[suave2000]

hummus beats any rotten corpse any day of the week



disagreeing is just babylon and it's social conditioning

[Growdollar]

The evidence is out there, there are no (health, moral, social, etc) reasons to eat meat anymore.

So why the phuck are you still eating it?
Why are you still polluting and causing hunger to others?
Why are you still causing animal suffering?
Why are you still stuffing your body with hormones and damaging your health?

All of those could be avoided just by choosing to stop consuming meat. So please, stop being a primitive chump, get on your A game and stop eating corpses.

Go vegan or go bust

I agree with the vegan philosophy but my body doesn't breakdown legumes or anything that is soy. I was big in to raw vegan ( still practice raw foods) and I really tried to be vegan but my body cant handle the protein options. While I don't believe we should eat meat and its good to practice fasting and avoiding animal products for most parts, I still feel that the occasional meat helps me get my energy level up.

While when I was 100 meat free, I was doing good in the beginning but then the deficiencies in the long terms and my body not adapting to legumes ended up messing me up big time.

[jackm7]

why are cows and chickens lives more important than all the bugs you kill every time you drive a car?

Bump

[Highwind7]

OP, do you brush your teeth? I assume you do, even though your location says Peru.

then you won't be happy with what you find in toothpaste...

[Aristotelian]

So why the phuck are you still eating it?
Why are you still polluting and causing hunger to others?
Why are you still causing animal suffering?
Why are you still stuffing your body with hormones and damaging your health?

The mistake that vegans like you (and Vegan Gains and his ilk) make is that your starting point consists of "there is no necessary reason which justifies the killing of animals to eat meat".

You then link this to 'hormones', 'pollution', etc. Each chicken I buy to eat works in a chicken tractor (a little house on an organic farm) - it runs around inside the area (quite large) eating weeds and defecating. It's fecal matter goes into the soil as fertilizer. This enables organic farms to function (one of the many techniques). I buy and eat those chickens that are free range, organic, and have fun lives. Of course they squawk when they are picked up - every time they are picked up - and of course they twitch when they die. But to argue that allowing chickens to freely roam on an organic farm eating organic weeds and serving a purpose to a human who then eats one is 'polluting the environment' or 'necessarily ingesting hormones' is the ridiculousness of the vegan argument in general. In reality, the vegan argument has to function only on "killing animals to eat them is wrong, morally", because the other elements cannot be extrapolated to every meat eater.

The mistake with a lot of vegans (like the OP) in their argument is that they truly believe that sentience (being alive and able to suffer) is both necessary and sufficient for making humans only equal to other animals. There is no consideration for the argument that "forming part of the group that is human" means things beyond "sentience" (someone in a coma is still a human) or "to suffer" - (suffering is not the trigger - that is the victim's perspective; the agent is also obliged not to harm the victim in a human ruleset etc).

None of the vegan arguments apply to me except that my consumption of meat and fish (sustainable only) results in the death of an animal. All the videos put forward of mass slaughterhouses etc. don't apply to me, and I'm also critical of people buying ground x meat at 99c a pound with no clue where it came from etc. This is the issue, that a lot of the 'mass production' does not follow a quality standard in which people could be both benefiting the environment around them and eating quality meat. There is a way to do this already, but it's more expensive than buying the 'value packs of mystery meat', and if I could go to Jack O'Shea's butcher shop on a daily basis I would, too.