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    Creatine ethyl ester would be a much better choice. More anabolic especially with grape juice
    Im still loving that CEE
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    Creatine ethyl ester would be a much better choice. More anabolic especially with grape juice
    There are people that still use CEE? I thought this died a long time ago.
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    There are people that still use CEE? I thought this died a long time ago.
    quick search here at bb.com...theres only one product that contains CEE
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    quick search here at bb.com...theres only one product that contains CEE
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Creatine ethyl ester would be a much better choice. More anabolic especially with grape juice
    Throw in some bubble water and it's 6x more anabolic.
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    Originally Posted by Daemonium View Post
    Lol. Good to hear.
    Doc, enlighten me on CEE?
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    Please do not reference the ridiculous Mono vs CEE study, which was funded by a large Mono manufacturer. ALL creatine turns into creatinine.
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    Originally Posted by ILPump View Post
    Please do not reference the ridiculous Mono vs CEE study, which was funded by a large Mono manufacturer. ALL creatine turns into creatinine.
    I never claimed to have a PhD btw, I'm not really sure where that came from. Maybe one day.

    Link me to the specific study you're referring to so I know which one you mean - I haven't looked into the external funding of most of them.

    But to summarize, while chemically/physiologically the idea may have seemed sound, the research ultimately shows that CEE is either as or less effective than CM in regards to altering body comp, increasing LBM, and increasing strength/power. Most research I've addressed concluded that differences were insignificant. Serum creatine levels were generally higher with CM, with serum creatinine being higher with CEE supplementation (though I've seen some variance here).


    There is some research supporting it's use in increasing cognitive function however, specifically in order adults. This is something I haven't looked into as much.
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    In conclusion immediately before, during and after workouts are the best time to take the ethyl ester forms of amino acids
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    In conclusion immediately before, during and after workouts are the best time to take the ethyl ester forms of amino acids

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    aka AAEE?
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    Please do not reference the ridiculous Mono vs CEE study, which was funded by a large Mono manufacturer. ALL creatine turns into creatinine.
    CEE was the only other form of creatine to challenge CM at that time. If CEE was born today it would of had a much better chance for survival
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    Originally Posted by Daemonium View Post
    I never claimed to have a PhD btw, I'm not really sure where that came from. Maybe one day.

    Link me to the specific study you're referring to so I know which one you mean - I haven't looked into the external funding of most of them.

    But to summarize, while chemically/physiologically the idea may have seemed sound, the research ultimately shows that CEE is either as or less effective than CM in regards to altering body comp, increasing LBM, and increasing strength/power. Most research I've addressed concluded that differences were insignificant. Serum creatine levels were generally higher with CM, with serum creatinine being higher with CEE supplementation (though I've seen some variance here).


    There is some research supporting it's use in increasing cognitive function however, specifically in order adults. This is something I haven't looked into as much.
    A creatine load is a creatine load no matter what it's attached to. Also, it's tough to compare two different forms at two different doses
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    A creatine load is a creatine load no matter what it's attached to. Also, it's tough to compare two different forms at two different doses
    Doses were the same from what I looked at.
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    Doses were the same from what I looked at.
    The dosing protocol for CEE is anywhere from 1500 mg's to 2000 mg's
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    The dosing protocol for CEE is anywhere from 1500 mg's to 2000 mg's
    Imagine if you could remove the water molecule from creatine monohydrate what the dose would look like...
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    Imagine if you could remove the water molecule from creatine monohydrate what the dose would look like...
    A white powder.
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    The dosing protocol for CEE is anywhere from 1500 mg's to 2000 mg's
    That amount was definitely being met/exceeded. 0.075g/kg. It's not hard to compare the two, it's an easy research design.

    Either way, it's pointless to spend more on a supplement that's shown to be as or less effective in the little research available compared to a supplement that's heavily researched and more effective.

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    Imagine if you could remove the water molecule from creatine monohydrate what the dose would look like...
    You just went sci-fi on me
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    Originally Posted by diogonigri View Post
    Wow, a MUST is a reach, huh

    I take it, but i'd say is mostly because it amuses me
    I don’t usually waste money to amuse myself, but to each his own.
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    Originally Posted by ILPump View Post
    I don’t usually waste money to amuse myself, but to each his own.
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    Originally Posted by diogonigri View Post
    Wow, a MUST is a reach, huh

    I take it, but i'd say is mostly because it amuses me
    Get em in quickly and feel better later
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