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    Eat food that you like and prefer meeting all your nutritional needs whilst in an energy deficit


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    Originally Posted by istopandsmell View Post
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    Eat less? ;-)

    Replace some of your high-density, high-calorie foods like nuts with things like vegetables.
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    I try to eat a varied and balanced diet. If my clothes start to get a little tight I eat a little less or move more.
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    Select lean protein sources, lots of vegetables, minimally processed whole grains especially oats.

    A diet high in protein, fiber and food volume will naturally make you eat less calories.
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    Things like IF and low carb diets tend to diminish hunger in many people. Moar protein, moar water, moar greens also help diminish hunger. Diminished hunger = you probably will eat less calories (assuming you don't count or ballpark calories).
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    The biggest one for me is: eat when you are hungry.
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    The biggest one for me is: eat when you are hungry.
    I wonder how many fat people do this.
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    Originally Posted by rml27v View Post
    The biggest one for me is: eat when you are hungry.

    I would be 600 lb. They would remove a door in my house and have that retarded TV show film me as I'm transported to a doctor who will be cutting off parts of me and sticking a vacuum cleaner under my skin to suck the fat out.

    Then he'd give me "valuable" nutrition advice as most doctors do... (insert eye roll here) such as to eat only when I'm hungry, and to follow a diet based on whole grains and "clean" eating. Then the whole thing would repeat a few weeks later.


    Like think of absolutely everything that is in your fridge right now, and what's in your neighbor's fridge. I would eat all of that in 4 minutes, and not feel a thing if I ate when hungry lel
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    I would be 600 lb. They would remove a door in my house and have that retarded TV show film me as I'm transported to a doctor who will be cutting off parts of me and sticking a vacuum cleaner under my skin to suck the fat out.

    Then he'd give me "valuable" nutrition advice as most doctors do... (insert eye roll here) such as to eat only when I'm hungry, and to follow a diet based on whole grains and "clean" eating. Then the whole thing would repeat a few weeks later.


    Like think of absolutely everything that is in your fridge right now, and what's in your neighbor's fridge. I would eat all of that in 4 minutes, and not feel a thing if I ate when hungry lel
    Were you 600lb before you started lifting weights and/or tracking nutrition? If not, why do you think you'd be 600lb unless you have previously been 600lb when 'eating to hunger'.
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    Were you 600lb before you started lifting weights and/or tracking nutrition? If not, why do you think you'd be 600lb unless you have previously been 600lb when 'eating to hunger'.

    I'm hungry 24/7/365. I can have 3'500 calorie per day with low/moderate activity, and if I allow myself I would stop by a burger place right now and eat a double cheese (bloody) with large fries, a large vanilla milk shake, a large coke. Probably some more stuff as well. Then a few hours later I'd order a pizza and eat the whole pie by myself. Been there done that. I can go from 190 lb 10% bf (about what my av shows) to about 230 lb ~16% in an alarmingly short period of time. With zero slow down in my hunger and love for various foods. A look in the mirror at 230 lbs forces me to stop "eating when hungry".

    Of course I"m joking about 600, but who knows... I have no doubts I would hit 300 relatively easily. And it ain't gonna look pretty.

    Lyle said something similar in an interview about "eating normally". Just eat "normally" they said... Lyle goes: "I'd be 300 lbs if I eat normally" Or something to that effect.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    I'm hungry 24/7/365. I can have 3'500 calorie per day with low/moderate activity, and if I allow myself I would stop by a burger place right now and eat a double cheese (bloody) with large fries, a large vanilla milk shake, a large coke. Probably some more stuff as well. Then a few hours later I'd order a pizza and eat the whole pie by myself. Been there done that. I can go from 190 lb 10% bf (about what my av shows) to about 230 lb ~16% in an alarmingly short period of time. With zero slow down in my hunger and love for various foods. A look in the mirror at 230 lbs forces me to stop "eating when hungry".

    Of course I"m joking about 600, but who knows... I have no doubts I would hit 300 relatively easily. And it ain't gonna look pretty.

    Lyle said something similar in an interview about "eating normally". Just eat "normally" they said... Lyle goes: "I'd be 300 lbs if I eat normally" Or something to that effect.
    That doesn't answer my question really, because you're not talking about 'eating when hungry', you're talking about 'eating whatever I want with zero regards for how satiated it'll make me' and also disregarding how crappy it'd make you perform, as well as a host of other factors.

    Given you've probably been educated on what foods make you full/satisfied etc, I think you could probably make wiser/balanced decisions to satisfy hunger without putting on the kind of weight you imagine. You can 'eat when hungry' and still pick and choose foods you know won't cause you to chronically overeat.

    regarding "were you ever 600lb"? That was hyperbole, of course, so let me rephrase: were you ever even overweight/overfat during a period where you didn't make unbalanced food choices predominantly focused on processed, fat, less-wholesome options?
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    That doesn't answer my question really, because you're not talking about 'eating when hungry', you're talking about 'eating whatever I want with zero regards for how satiated it'll make me' and also disregarding how crappy it'd make you perform, as well as a host of other factors.

    Given you've probably been educated on what foods make you full/satisfied etc, I think you could probably make wiser/balanced decisions to satisfy hunger without putting on the kind of weight you imagine. You can 'eat when hungry' and still pick and choose foods you know won't cause you to chronically overeat.

    regarding "were you ever 600lb"? That was hyperbole, of course, so let me rephrase: were you ever even overweight/overfat?

    True ^^ Personally I have a very blurry (if any) line between "I'm hungry" and "I want this or that food".
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    True ^^ Personally I have a very blurry (if any) line between "I'm hungry" and "I want this or that food".
    seems like you're talking about hunger vs. craving.

    much of this, I find, can be mitigated by not overstimulating your palate with copious amounts of 'hyper-palatable' foods which seem to - in my experience - create a desire or craving for contrasting flavors (ie - if I eat a salty pizza, I'm more likely to crave ice cream/sweets) before you even address the biological need for calories and specific nutritients. if you compare that to simply focusing mainly on a mindful approach (ie - before gorging on what you 'crave', satisfy the actual need for nutrition), usually people (I would think) become far less likely to overconsume.

    Thats more what balance means to me... recognizing that hunger/eating/cravings are multi-faceted and trying to satisfy each based on priority: hunger/physical need for foods comes first, followed by things like how the food will make you feel, any specific 'cravings' (while still considering how satisfying that craving will make you feel/perform), etc...
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    I'm hungry 24/7/365. I can have 3'500 calorie per day with low/moderate activity, and if I allow myself I would stop by a burger place right now and eat a double cheese (bloody) with large fries, a large vanilla milk shake, a large coke. Probably some more stuff as well. Then a few hours later I'd order a pizza and eat the whole pie by myself. Been there done that. I can go from 190 lb 10% bf (about what my av shows) to about 230 lb ~16% in an alarmingly short period of time. With zero slow down in my hunger and love for various foods. A look in the mirror at 230 lbs forces me to stop "eating when hungry".

    Of course I"m joking about 600, but who knows... I have no doubts I would hit 300 relatively easily. And it ain't gonna look pretty.

    Lyle said something similar in an interview about "eating normally". Just eat "normally" they said... Lyle goes: "I'd be 300 lbs if I eat normally" Or something to that effect.
    Also... if this were actually true, i'd call you an idiot for ever staying 190lb... 190lb at 10% means you have 171lb of lean mass... 230 at 16% would mean 193lb of lean mass... and 16% isn't a high bodyfat%... highly doubt you could ever gain 22lb of lean mass in a 'short period of time'.
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    The truly all natural way would be to only forage for native nuts and berries and hunting your own meat. This would simultaneously provide less food while increasing your activity level by necessity. Good luck!
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    The truly all natural way would be to only forage for native nuts and berries and hunting your own meat. This would simultaneously provide less food while increasing your activity level by necessity. Good luck!
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    Some people have it much easier due to their body prefering lower bodyfat, those ppl struggle more to gain muscle and eat enough because of lack of hunger.

    The other side od the spectrum some find it hard to lose fat, because body signals them they are hungry more.

    Best bet is to eat quality a lot of whole protein sources and lots of vegetables and drink alot of water if ur not. That will maximize your ability to be satiated.
    If that alone is not enough then ul have to start getting more methodical and be aware of food quantity and be sure to eat less and feel slightly hungry at night or start counting calories.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Things like IF and low carb diets tend to diminish hunger in many people. Moar protein, moar water, moar greens also help diminish hunger. Diminished hunger = you probably will eat less calories (assuming you don't count or ballpark calories).
    YES!

    If you stick with intermittent fasting you will eventually grow enough mental discipline and willpower to resist hunger / cravings / binging ect. The first 3 days are hard but it really does get easier the longer you go. Im in the 250s and I fast everyday until 5-7pm and many times I'm not hungry. So I eat less and it helps me to stick to my diet without binging.
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    Originally Posted by BRIAN10197 View Post
    YES!

    If you stick with intermittent fasting you will eventually grow enough mental discipline and willpower to resist hunger / cravings / binging ect. The first 3 days are hard but it really does get easier the longer you go. Im in the 250s and I fast everyday until 5-7pm and many times I'm not hungry. So I eat less and it helps me to stick to my diet without binging.
    people's mileage varies hugely on IF protocols. might work for you, not for him.
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    Originally Posted by istopandsmell View Post
    Looking for what this community has to say about different ways and strategies to lower caloric intake the all natural way.
    No pills, no shakes, just pure advice.. thanks.
    Basic nutritional knowledge and common sense.
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    Originally Posted by boo99 View Post
    Eat food that you like and prefer meeting all your nutritional needs whilst in an energy deficit


    No need to have strategies complicating something so simple

    I think for a lot of people (like me), maintaining a calorie deficits and meeting nutritional needs are hard part. . If your trying to eat 150 grams of protein a day and keep the calories down to 2K, you really have to watch your protein sources. Basically you have to be either eating a ton of egg whites, 1.5 pounds of very lean meats/fish or take protein powder. If you go into medium fat protein territory you are quickly over that deficit.

    I agree with your thing in principal. I tried if it fit your macros. I tried meal prep. I tried fasting. Then a girl I went on a couple of dates with made the comment, that average skinny person just forgets to eat and calorie counting just makes a person think about food all the time. After that I just started making a relatively high calorie protein shake a day and eating one or two high protein, nutritionally balanced meals. The weight seems to be coming off now.
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    Dropping weight is a sacrifice you have to chose lower calorie based foods or eat less of the high density ones.
    But simple little things can help drop full cream milk for 1% or non dairy.
    Cut the fat off your meat before cooking.
    Eat loads of vegetables with each meal

    Start Small and make adjustments this is not a race its a marathon it will take time, but ultimately you need a lifestyle change if you need to lose weight in the first place.
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