Am I just Skinny or Skinny Fat?

[JamieP1990]

Good afternoon all,

Bit of advice, pretty new to Weight Training. I have decided to go down the clean bulk route. But in your opinions, am I skinny Fat or just plain skinny.
Unsure on BF%

Cheers

J

[SetOfAll]

What information do you hope to gain from BF% or if you're "skinny" or "skinny fat"? You need to focus on building muscle, and at a much later stage, worry about BF% and looking shredded.

You're only trying to convince yourself of something no one cares about. If you worry too much about how you look now, you may never get to where you want. Look at my avatar. You want to look like that? Well, that's 7 years of lifting. You don't have much time to worry about these other things.

It'd be of more use to ask for feedback on your routine/diet to help you build muscle at an optimal rate. Lot's of us here on BB.com are willing to help.

[Vandeman17]

What information do you hope to gain from BF% or if you're "skinny" or "skinny fat"? You need to focus on building muscle, and at a much later stage, worry about BF% and looking shredded.

You're only trying to convince yourself of something no one cares about. If you worry too much about how you look now, you may never get to where you want. Look at my avatar. You want to look like that? Well, that's 7 years of lifting. You don't have much time to worry about these other things.

It'd be of more use to ask for feedback on your routine/diet to help you build muscle at an optimal rate. Lot's of us here on BB.com are willing to help.

Yes this. Who cares what term you try to describe yourself as since it's irrelevant.

[JamieP1990]

What information do you hope to gain from BF% or if you're "skinny" or "skinny fat"? You need to focus on building muscle, and at a much later stage, worry about BF% and looking shredded.

You're only trying to convince yourself of something no one cares about. If you worry too much about how you look now, you may never get to where you want. Look at my avatar. You want to look like that? Well, that's 7 years of lifting. You don't have much time to worry about these other things.

It'd be of more use to ask for feedback on your routine/diet to help you build muscle at an optimal rate. Lot's of us here on BB.com are willing to help.

That's great feed back to be honest.
Currently I'm working on a 4 day split.

Training early morning.
Back / Bi's
Shoulders / Tris
Chest
Legs
Couple of sessions 30 mins HIIT sessions and Ab work out twice a week

Diet
Breakfast
Weetabix
USN All in One Gainer with a tsp of peanut Butter

Mid morning
Chicken/Rice/Bro****

Mid afternoon
Chicken/Rice/Bro****

6/7pm
Steak or chicken breast, carbs either potato or rice / Bro****

Before bed
USN All in one Gainer with a tspof peanut Butter

Approx 2800/2900 calories

200g protein
300g carbs
80g fat

Thanks

J

[gbullock32]

Routine is not optimal, training each muscle group 2-3x per week would be better; get on a more structured program. Ditch the gainer, eat more whole foods, get more variety too since your intake lacks many essential micronutrients (use cronometer.com to check that).

NUTRITION

This is the largest factor in your success, learn the basics to get started and then move into more advanced if needed.

BASICS

Spoiler!

This website will help you find your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure):

http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/

Keep in mind this is only an estimate, and you adjust based on results. Stick with the estimate for 2 or so weeks and then add or subtract calories until gaining or losing weight at the desired pace.

Now that you have the TDEE, get your macro-nutrient needs (fat, protein, and carb needs). Fat has 9 calories per gram, and protein/carbs have 4 calories per gram, alcohol is 7 calories per gram count it as a carb when fitting it into your macros).

Protein- .7 grams per pound
Fat- .4 grams per pound

Meet those MINIMUMS and then fill out remaining calories as you want with carbs, or more protein and fat, or any combination. Remember to track properly too, use a food scale (measuring cups can be very inaccurate due to density); track everything, each little bit adds up (sauces can be quite calorie dense).

Next decide your goal and eat at a 10-20% caloric deficit or surplus, deficit to lose weight and surplus to gain. For gaining go for ~2 pound per month and when losing aim for 1-2 pounds per week. Reach your macro needs with mostly whole foods and a wide variety to ensure enough vitamins and mineral, but remember to practice common sense and moderation- enjoy life.

Sources and More Information

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Nutrition-
Calculating Calories
Pre, During, and Postworkout Nutrition
How To Ask For Diet Critique
Discretionary Calorie Allowance
Macro/Micro Nutrients Explained
Clean Eating Myth
Insulin and Fat Loss
Insulin and Fat Loss 2

Protein-
Protein Needs
Protein Needs 2
Protein Needs 3
Protein Timing
Muscle Protein Synthesis

Fat-
Fat Needs
Fat and Testosterone

Meal Timing-
Meal Timing 1
Meal Timing 2

Micro-Nutrient Guide-
Micro-Nutrient Guide

TRAINING

Start with a solid beginner routine, these are designed to get the most for you; they are designed by professionals and use progressive overload. Read through them and pick the one you like most, follow it as it is written.

Why You Should Not Make Your Own Routine
How To Perform Basic Lifts

Routines
Starting Strength
BabyLover's Starting Strength
AllPro's Beginner Routine
StrongLifts 5x5
IceCream Fitness 5x5
Fierce 5
Coolcicada's Push Pull Legs

Calisthenics routines

Spoiler!

Push Day:
- Pushups: 5x15
- Chest Dips: 4x12
- Triceps Extensions: 3x20
- Bench Dips: 3x15
- HSPU: 5x5
- Hindu Pushups: 3x12

Pull Day:
- Pull-ups: 5x8
- Inverted Rows: 3x12
- Back bridges: 4x10
- One-arm Assisted Chin-ups: 4x5
- One-arm Inverted Rows: 3x8
- Chins Isometric Holds: 3xFailure

Legs Day:
- Suqats: 5x20
- Jumping Squats: 4x15
- Lunges: 3x30
- Sprints: 4x20sec
- Box Jumps: 3x10
- Hanging Leg Raises: 3xfailure

Or-

Upper Day:
- Pullups: 5x6
- One-arm Inverted Rows: 3x8
- Inverted Rows: 3x18
- Back bridges: 4x10
- Pushups: 4x12
- Dips: 3x15
- HSPU: 3x5
- Decline Crunches: 4x12
- Russian Decline Twist: 3x12

Lower Day:
- Jumping Squats: 8x12
- Pistol Squats: 4x10
- Step Ups: 3x10
- GHR: 3x12
- Sprints: 5x15sec
- Calf Raises: 10x10 "Burnout"
- Hanging Leg Raises: 4x12
- Planks: 3x1min

SUPPLEMENTS

Remember one thing, supplements are only that; they supplement something and are never meant to be replacements. A multivitamin will not replace fruits and vegetables, a fat burner will not replace a caloric deficit, and a meal replacement is not meant to be your only source of calories.

This is a brief run down of the 'basics', for further breakdowns of specific ingredients (like Yohimbe, Forskolin, Glycerol, ect) more research on your part would be needed.

Protein

Spoiler!

Protein supplements are mostly derived from either Milk, Animal, Egg, or Plant sources. They are a powdered food item, made to be convenient to take. Their main purpose is to help you reach your minimum daily needs for protein if you cannot do so with whole foods, outside of that they provide no special benefit to muscle growth and are by no means 'required'.

Types
Whey- The most common, derived from milk and comes in either a concentrate or isolate. It is the cheapest and has a very high bio-availability, good stuff all around. Concentrate is the most common you will see since it requires less processing than an isolate. It is great and just fine for the majority of people. Isolates are another variety, they tend to have a few less carbs and fat, but cost more. They are best for people who have lactose issues.

Animal- Meat based protein, most come from the hooves and other parts that are not used in food; mostly collagen sources. These are usually not the best for bio-availability and are costly compared to a whey protein. They have the benefit of not being an issue to the lactose intolerant, but most prefer other sources for their protein needs.

Egg- From eggs, most are egg white powders. Again these cost more but have good bio-availability and do not aggravate lactose.

Plant- Best for the vegetarian/vegan, and those with very severe lactose intolerance (who still get issues even from isolate). These are sources from pea, soy, hemp, rice, and other plants. They often have multiple sources to form a complete protein source. Most cost more because of the processing involved.

Multi-Vitamins

Spoiler!

Multi-Vitamins are a good way to cover any gaps your nutrition may leave, they are not meant to (and never will be) a replacement for a wide variety of whole foods. Think of them as the spackle of the supplement world, great for covering imperfections, but you would not try and build a house from it.

Fish Oil

Spoiler!

Fish Oil is a good supplement for most, mainly because many do not eat enough fish to reach the minimum recommendation for EPA/DHA. For the most part you do not need to over complicate this one, just find a cheap and reliable brand and go for a dosage that covers your daily needs. These recommendations are 3 grams of EPA/DHA per day.

Creatine

Spoiler!

Creatine Monohydrate is the cheapest form of creatine and the most proven/studied. 3-5 grams a day, taken at any time with any liquid is all it takes and you do not need to load or cycle nor do you need to take it with sugar. Many types of creatine exist but just go with a plain mono- do not expect miracles though, creatine will barely have any noticeable effect, it may give you an extra rep or 2 but that is about it.

Bloating with creatine is actually very minimal, if it occurs at all, and usually only happens to those who load it (which is not needed). Creatine works by saturation, pulling water into the muscles and providing more endurance.

BCAAs

Spoiler!

BCAAs (Branch Chain Amino Acids) are said to prevent muscle breakdown and aid in recovery- this is true but you know what already has BCAAs in it? Food, any source of protein has and is comprised of branch chain amino acids. Assuming you reach protein sufficiency in your day a BCAA supplement would do nothing to aid you.
https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/b...e-in-isolation

Fat Burners

Spoiler!

Fat Burners primarily do 2 things, suppress appetite and provide energy and focus. They cannot and will not replace a calorie deficit or a proper nutrition plan. Some have other additions, such as Forskolin or Yohimbe which may aid in actual fat loss though, but again the end success of weight/fat loss is proper diet. Work on getting that in order and then, if needed, you may want to look into a fat burner for the final push you need.

Pre-Workouts

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These are designed to provide energy, focus, pump, and endurance; they do so most often with caffeine and other ingredients though there are also non-stimm pre-workouts for those who do not want the caffeine rush. These can aid you if the extra energy is needed but they are not required; if you are fine without them than you can just save your money.

Meal Replacements/Mass Gainer

Spoiler!

These are often little more than a protein supplement with a lot of cheap carbs added in to jack up the calories. Really, just eat more; make a homemade gainer from whole foods: Whole Milk, Oats, Honey, Ice Cream, Whey, Peanut Butter, Fruit; all can be blended up to make a far more nutritious and cheaper gainer than anything you could buy in a tub.

CLA

Spoiler!

CLA is useless, really... Unless you are obese and even then the effects are minimal at best.

Glutamine

Spoiler!

Glutamine is pretty much useless, save your money.

[SetOfAll]

That's great feed back to be honest.
Currently I'm working on a 4 day split.

Training early morning.
Back / Bi's
Shoulders / Tris
Chest
Legs
Couple of sessions 30 mins HIIT sessions and Ab work out twice a week

Diet
Breakfast
Weetabix
USN All in One Gainer with a tsp of peanut Butter

Mid morning
Chicken/Rice/Bro****

Mid afternoon
Chicken/Rice/Bro****

6/7pm
Steak or chicken breast, carbs either potato or rice / Bro****

Before bed
USN All in one Gainer with a tspof peanut Butter

Approx 2800/2900 calories

200g protein
300g carbs
80g fat

Thanks

J

Brah, if you're interested in advice, PM me and I'll give you some tailored feedback.

[Vandeman17]

Man that diet would get old after the first day. Eat foods you enjoy that fit your macro needs. So many tasty options out there besides the bro diet

[JamieP1990]

Man that diet would get old after the first day. Eat foods you enjoy that fit your macro needs. So many tasty options out there besides the bro diet

I mix it up with sauce etc but that's the staple diet i stick to. I substitute the meats with fish etc and rotate the carb options. It's by no mean, plain meat, rice and veg.