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    Originally Posted by aranadiscoteca View Post
    Is anyone saying every American is perfect? Of course not.

    There are many undesirables but that's no excuse to import more.
    Who is saying to import undesirables? Lol @ anyone legally immigrating from a ****hole country is automatically an undesirable. Just remember, unless you're a Native American, then your family immigrated to America from a ****hole country.
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    So has the statement been confirmed/verified/anything of the sort yet? Or are people on both sides still hyperventilating over hearsay from a “person familiar with someone who is familiar with statements about Haiti?”
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    Originally Posted by djfuzzy View Post
    So has the statement been confirmed/verified/anything of the sort yet? Or are people on both sides still hyperventilating over hearsay from a “person familiar with someone who is familiar with statements about Haiti?”
    Yes. Several people who were there have confirmed this is what he said, and they are not "sources" but using their names.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Yes. Several people who were there have confirmed this is what he said, and they are not "sources" but using their names.
    "confirmed" by anti trump politicians lolol
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    Originally Posted by linkherooftime View Post
    "confirmed" by anti trump politicians lolol
    Paul Ryan when asked said his words were unfortunate and unhelpful. He did not say he didn't say it. That would be a damn good time to answer that he didn't say it. Blind little Trumpkins. Jesus.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Paul Ryan when asked said his words were unfortunate and unhelpful. He did not say he didn't say it. That would be a damn good time to answer that he didn't say it. Blind little Trumpkins. Jesus.
    well those two R's that were there did say they lost their memory of what was said less than 24hrs prior.
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    You're assuming that the people who enter the US are not vetted. That is false assumption
    In many cases It would be virtually impossible to vet people from Hati.

    There are some from affluent families there and some from certain maintained infrastructure areas where it’s absolutely possible to vet. They are typically well educated with recorded of background and skills.

    Many others are from areas crumbled from natural disaster. mass corruption. gang or “tribal” type Contol, never established infrastructure, famine and deep poverty stricken etc. They have virtually no records of background, no education, no viable skills, odd forms of culture and beliefs, and often disease stricken.

    The 2nd group is the group many are sympathetic towards and want to allow a certain amount of immigration based mainly on compassion knowing a risk of no realistic vetting will occur.

    It is also the group that many want to prevent entry to preventing the possible consequences related to their entry with no way for real verification.

    You will find statiscal data that shows “vetting” happens , but it’s not really a realistic vetting as that’s impossible.
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    Im not too familiar with Haiti's situation. Whenever a person can't be properly vetted, refuse entry. It's really that simple
    Argues for western countries to let in everyone from every country... lives in a country with some of the strictest immigration practises of any country in the world.
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    Whenever a person can't be properly vetted, refuse entry. It's really that simple
    Repblicans:

    This statement is pretty much the summary of Republicans mentality on immigration. With controlled quotas on amounts per year per country, and more stringency in applying and enforcing the laws dealing with people who bypass it illegally, as well as more money and personal spent on securing weak points of possible illegal entry.


    Democrats:

    The democrats policy is a vetting and identification processes, however allowing loser requirements in vetting and higher quotas from certain war torn or poverty sticken areas as an extension of compassion.

    They also want weaker, in some cases even no enforcement of laws for people who bypass the system illegally, and even further they want a path to citizenship for those as well as government assistance for basic needs.

    Some say that is also based on compassion while others allege it’s based on future votes for power.


    Trump voters:

    They want to virtually stop any imigration from these certain areas.

    There are several sects in this group.

    One wants to stop it because they are skeptical of the reality of any vetting process, they don’t believe the immigrants from these nations will add value to our nation(skills, productivity, etc(, they believe immigrants from these nations will likely cause a burden of cost to this nation from government assistance, They believe there will be possible disruptive hostility due to cultural integration issues as well as danger from possible Islamic extremist terrorist entry.

    There is another sect(much smaller but highlighted by the media)that simply doesn’t want to allow entry in hope for a homogenous white European dissent culturally Christian based society.

    They want max security at all entries and less or virtually none in terms of quota from certain areas.
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    Originally Posted by Tha big kahoona View Post
    You're assuming that the people who enter the US are not vetted. That is false assumption
    Vetted through what file system? LMAO bro Jesus use some common sense.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Lol @ people thinking ****hole is what people are up in arms about. He said he doesn't want people from ****hole countries like Haiti (i.e., black people) immigrating to America and it should be people from countries like Norway (i.e., white people).

    Had he not made that distinction, things would be different. (INB4 people say 5% of Haitians are mixed and white so it couldn't possibly be racist.)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Haitians

    You just discriminated against 5% of the population of Haiti and think by just posting it in your thread it's OK to say Trump was only referring to blacks. You are ****ing delusional lmao.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    Their is almost 10% blacks in Norway. You are just a ****ing retard man and need to stop posting. Showing that YOU are actually the racist one by equating shiet=black.
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Haitians

    You just discriminated against 5% of the population of Haiti and think by just posting it in your thread it's OK to say Trump was only referring to blacks. You are ****ing delusional lmao.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    Their is almost 10% blacks in Norway. You are just a ****ing retard man and need to stop posting. Showing that YOU are actually the racist one by equating shiet=black.
    I'm sure Trump would have no problem with the white Haitians coming here. just like he's OK with only the Christian Syrians.
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    Unless there is a video clip or audio clip of Trump actually saying the word, all these claims are just hearsay. Anyone remember Mitt Romney's 47% remark that was caught on tape? That was proof and he was rightly condemned. But this whole Trump story seems politically motivated because it came just before MLK day.
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    I don't know why so many miscers seem to have an issue with grasping context and how conversations and meanings are formed, would probably explain all the idiotic and forever alone threads in some part though.

    A lot are arguing that it's fine to say countries are "shytholes" because "they are". I mean despite most rational people, yeah it's not just liberals "losing their shyt" like miscers try to paint, thinking that type of comment isn't acceptable, let's assume that it's true because they're underdeveloped nations.

    That comment wasn't where it stopped, Trump has already (allegedly) used disparaging comments towards countries which happen to have black populations, in addition to him praising countries with white populations. Trump has a history of this "totally not racist or prejudiced thinking" when talking about only taking Christian refugees.

    If you agree with him, then that's fine people are allowed an opinion, just don't cry like the snowflakes you hate when someone points out that infering all people from certain countries have AIDS, or live in huts or are guaranteed to be inferior to people from other countries hence you want less of them, is a tad racist.
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    Who is saying to import undesirables? Lol @ anyone legally immigrating from a ****hole country is automatically an undesirable. Just remember, unless you're a Native American, then your family immigrated to America from a ****hole country.
    Wrong.

    Many immigrated from great countries but came here for untapped opportunity. That's why the West is the best because it was founded by world class (see: not ****hole) countries.
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Haitians

    You just discriminated against 5% of the population of Haiti and think by just posting it in your thread it's OK to say Trump was only referring to blacks. You are ****ing delusional lmao.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    Their is almost 10% blacks in Norway. You are just a ****ing retard man and need to stop posting. Showing that YOU are actually the racist one by equating shiet=black.
    Are you just trolling or are you dumb as fuk?

    You don't even know the difference between their/there and are/is. Stfu, and enroll in a remedial English class immediately.
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    Originally Posted by Shortfuze View Post
    Unless there is a video clip or audio clip of Trump actually saying the word, all these claims are just hearsay. Anyone remember Mitt Romney's 47% remark that was caught on tape? That was proof and he was rightly condemned. But this whole Trump story seems politically motivated because it came just before MLK day.
    Content of the comments aside, you're joking right? Two Rs in the room would have vehemently denied it if he didn't say it. Instead, they "don't remember" and Lindsey Graham said that " I said my piece directly to him yesterday."

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    Am I the only person getting sick of politics? It's always the same. The face is always different but the rhetoric is the same .
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    I can't imagine having to do my job if everytime I was in a closed door meeting and things got heated and things were said my co-workers would walk out the door and literally run to the phone to call a newspaper and tell on me as if we are in 3rd F-ing grade.

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    I also was tickled by the fact that people were asked if they would rather live in Haiti or Norway and they claimed that they just couldn't decide and they would be okay living at both. If you can't even answer that question honestly then we have no common ground at all.
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    Am I the only person getting sick of politics? It's always the same. The face is always different but the rhetoric is the same .
    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    I wish it was still the same, we've entered a whole new crazy era. Basically, you have to deny reality now. ****hole countries aren't allowed ot be called ****holes. Illegal Immigrants are now displaced migrants. Gender doesn't exist and is whatever the hell you want it to be. Socialism is the goal despite failing everywhere its been. The media that lie to you daily for profit should be held up as virtuous.
    Lol, I used to think libs were the snowflakes, but the right are giving them a run for their money.
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    25 pages lol. Is Trump even confirmed to have really said this?
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    Originally Posted by PenorBrahNoHomo View Post
    25 pages lol. Is Trump even confirmed to have really said this?
    Are you expecting Trump to say that's what he said? Rofl.

    Btw, change your page settings - the rest of us are on page 15.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Are you expecting Trump to say that's what he said? Rofl.

    Btw, change your page settings - the rest of us are on page 15.
    Confirmed by an actual person with a name who was there, rather than an unnamed source?
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    Originally Posted by PenorBrahNoHomo View Post
    Confirmed by an actual person with a name who was there, rather than an unnamed source?

    yes.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-vulgarity-de/

    Durbin is a democrat so Trump supporters dont believe him.

    And so trump says he didnt say that but said something "tough". Which is a great tactic to avoid the criticism in the media, blame the media for "making things up", but wink to his core supporters who think his comment was okay to begin with.

    Republicans say they "cant remember", ignore the question, or dodge the question when asked if Trump said it.
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    Originally Posted by beowulf10 View Post
    yes.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-vulgarity-de/

    Durbin is a democrat so Trump supporters dont believe him.

    And so trump says he didnt say that but said something "tough". Which is a great tactic to avoid the criticism in the media, blame the media for "making things up", but wink to his core supporters who think his comment was okay to begin with.

    Republicans say they "cant remember" ignore the question or dodge the question when asked if Trump said it.
    Thanks brah.

    Trump's not wrong, but should refrain from using profanity.

    The whole thing is hilarious though, has anyone posted this yet?

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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    I wish it was still the same, we've entered a whole new crazy era. Basically, you have to deny reality now. ****hole countries aren't allowed ot be called ****holes. Illegal Immigrants are now displaced migrants. Gender doesn't exist and is whatever the hell you want it to be. Socialism is the goal despite failing everywhere its been. The media that lie to you daily for profit should be held up as virtuous.
    There is reality denial is all over the place. Yes, the leftist stuff about genders is strange and irritating to everyone.

    But it is not as irritating as the President constantly lying about the things he said or about the universe in general. The article below is a list of all his lies, flip-flops, and misleading statements since he became President.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...aims-database/

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    ****hole countries aren't allowed ot be called ****holes.
    Originally Posted by jimbone21 View Post

    That being said, I present you with Lindsey Graham saying the same thing except in front of a ton of people and a camera:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSUbOXgw50M
    The reason why Trump's comment is particularly damaging to the reputation of the U.S. and particularly insulting to people from those countries is the context in which he made the remark.

    Graham supports a legislative version of DACA, and is not an immigration hard-liner, and wants orderly and controlled immigration even from the places he calls hellholes.

    Trump, on the other hand, made the comment in specific reference as to who should be allowed into our country, and immediately contrasted those countries he wants to forbid immigration from, with a 1st world white-majority country like Norway.

    Trump's comment wasn't about those places being ****holes. It was about people from those places not being worthy of coming here.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    Repblicans:

    This statement is pretty much the summary of Republicans mentality on immigration. With controlled quotas on amounts per year per country, and more stringency in applying and enforcing the laws dealing with people who bypass it illegally, as well as more money and personal spent on securing weak points of possible illegal entry.


    Democrats:

    The democrats policy is a vetting and identification processes, however allowing loser requirements in vetting and higher quotas from certain war torn or poverty sticken areas as an extension of compassion.

    They also want weaker, in some cases even no enforcement of laws for people who bypass the system illegally, and even further they want a path to citizenship for those as well as government assistance for basic needs.

    Some say that is also based on compassion while others allege it’s based on future votes for power.


    Trump voters:

    They want to virtually stop any imigration from these certain areas.

    There are several sects in this group.

    One wants to stop it because they are skeptical of the reality of any vetting process, they don’t believe the immigrants from these nations will add value to our nation(skills, productivity, etc(, they believe immigrants from these nations will likely cause a burden of cost to this nation from government assistance, They believe there will be possible disruptive hostility due to cultural integration issues as well as danger from possible Islamic extremist terrorist entry.

    There is another sect(much smaller but highlighted by the media)that simply doesn’t want to allow entry in hope for a homogenous white European dissent culturally Christian based society.

    They want max security at all entries and less or virtually none in terms of quota from certain areas.
    As you mentioned, Democrats and Republicans aren't that far off from.one another as far as immigration policies go. Perhaps if they work together they can marry merit with compassion and vetting.

    I would argue that most Trump voters are not skeptical of the vetting process itself. It's dog whistle, and you can effectively loop them in with the bottom guys. Maybe that group really does exist, but from what I've seen on this forum, their size is infinitesimal. Just ask those who claim that what the vetting process is to begin with and watch them stumble. And assuming someone won't add value because of where they're coming from is as far from a merit based system as they come, so many a wtf moment were had reading people claim to want both
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    Who is saying to import undesirables? Lol @ anyone legally immigrating from a ****hole country is automatically an undesirable. Just remember, unless you're a Native American, then your family immigrated to America from a ****hole country.
    Categorically false.

    No one is native to present day North America. The first homo saipens left Africa and some now say Europe, and migrated to the rest of the world. Those that found themselves in North America came across a land bridge from Asia into Alaska.
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