How the hell did that cop get off shooting Daniel Shaver?

[SillieBazzillie]

None of which is worthy of execution. An officer's right to his feeling of safety should never outweigh anyone else's right to continue to live.

Yea, according to cops, they have to right to execute you if there's the slightest chance they may be in harms way.

[AetasNitor]

[Youtube]VoDrpBb-tLU[/youtube

yeah and?

[dhawkeye1980]

yeah and?

If you dont understand the significants of the video in relation to your post then you have no business posting any further

[AetasNitor]

If you dont understand the significants of the video in relation to your post then you have no business posting any further

If you can't understand how that doesn't relate to my post then you have no business posting any further.
An officer's life does not matter more than anyone else's and his right to safety isn't greater than anyone else's. An officer's function is not to execute individuals.

[orangetide]

It seems many people are unaware that the jury never saw the footage.

[dhawkeye1980]

It seems many people are unaware that the jury never saw the footage.

That was disproven in the last 4 threads about this shooting

[NKWulf]

It seems many people are unaware that the jury never saw the footage.

this is false


Jury sees body-cam video of Mesa officer shooting unarmed man

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...man/803368001/

A prosecutor on Thursday showed a jury video of a Mesa police officer fatally shooting an unarmed man who was on his knees after he sobbed and begged not to be shot.

[dhawkeye1980]

If you can't understand how that doesn't relate to my post then you have no business posting any further.
An officer's life does not matter more than anyone else's and his right to safety isn't greater than anyone else's. An officer's function is not to execute individuals.

It actually does completely relate to your post and is evidence of why cops are justified when someone makes a movement as if reaching for a gun. Officers actually do have authority to use deadly force. If you want to call it execution thats on you but all it does is show your biased and lack of understanding of police powers

[AetasNitor]

It actually does completely relate to your post and is evidence of why cops are justified when someone makes a movement as if reaching for a gun. Officers actually do have authority to use deadly force. If you want to call it execution thats on you but all it does is show your biased and lack of understanding of police powers

So you feel that an officer's life is more important than anyone else's and an officer should execute anyone if they may feel unsafe for a moment, got it.

[Gayle1]

Shooter is innocent
Sgt is incompetent
Dead brah could have followed orders better

Try to learn from this

The end

[dhawkeye1980]

So you feel that an officer's life is more important than anyone else's and an officer should execute anyone if they may feel unsafe for a moment, got it.

Your incompetance is astounding

Heres the thing you dont realize. Its not executing people as you love to put it because it sounds scary and evil. Cops are tasked with enforcing the law and protecting the public. Part of protefting the public is using deadly force. Now cops can legally use deadlybforce when they have a fear or threat of violence that could result in serious bodily injury or death against them. That video shows why someone reaching for their waist band is a legitimate threat of SBI or death.

[z4v4]

Video has nothing to do with Shaver's situation. He should have tased/capped dude somewhere between 4 and 15 consecutive orders disobeyed. I know you'll say, "In both cases neither were following orders," but you know that's being disingenuous.

[Mercworx]

Keep your hands up when cops have guns pointed at you. Dont care if your dick is hanging out from your pants dropping. You keep your hands up til the guns are away or you are in handcuffs. Pretty simple. Hell I was pulled over the other night leaving the gym at 3am with my gun sticking out of my gum bag and the cops were cool. I kept my hands on the wheel like glue

Also don’t answer your door either. They will kill you for that too.



**** out of here with that bull****.

[dhawkeye1980]

Video has nothing to do with Shaver's situation. He should have tased/capped dude somewhere between 4 and 15 consecutive orders disobeyed. I know you'll say, "In both cases neither were following orders," but you know that's being disingenuous.

Video has everything to do with. Your ignorance of it does not change facts

[dhawkeye1980]

Also don’t answer your door either. They will kill you for that too.



**** out of here with that bull****.

Neat

[z4v4]

Video has everything to do with. Your ignorance of it does not change facts

Guy CONSECUTIVELY disobeyed 15 direct orders in like 30 seconds. Shaver dude was just a frightened kid that couldn't play Simon Says but got all but 2 orders (within 5 minutes) correct. If you can't see the diff, then you're either intellectually dishonest or...

[dhawkeye1980]

Guy CONSECUTIVELY disobeyed 15 direct orders in like 30 seconds. Shaver dude was just a frightened kid that couldn't play Simon Says but got all but 2 orders (within 5 minutes) correct. If you can't see the diff, then you're either intellectually dishonest or...

Sigh. Its like you want to be oblivious to facts.

The differences in the scenarios of the video are inconsequential. A dude was ordered to show his hands, he refused and drew a gun and shot the cop. Shaver was ordered not to reach behind his back or he would be shot. The action of reaching behind your back when instructed not too is enough of a threat of violence that authorizes deadly force because of videos like what I have posted. The fact he does not have a gun isnt known until after the fact but because criminals have pulled out guns from waistbands when ordered not too is enough for a reasonable officer to believe the situation has risen to the use of deadly force.

You not understanding that doesnt mean chit as its been upheld in court numerous times.

[z4v4]

Sigh. Its like you want to be oblivious to facts.

The differences in the scenarios of the video are inconsequential. A dude was ordered to show his hands, he refused and drew a gun and shot the cop. Shaver was ordered not to reach behind his back or he would be shot. The action of reaching behind your back when instructed not too is enough of a threat of violence that authorizes deadly force because of videos like what I have posted. The fact he does not have a gun isnt known until after the fact but because criminals have pulled out guns from waistbands when ordered not too is enough for a reasonable officer to believe the situation has risen to the use of deadly force.

You not understanding that doesnt mean chit as its been upheld in court numerous times.

Nah, bro, I get the black and white thinking. Dude went for his waist, that's a good place for a gun, so derp, smoke him, regardless of the mountains of evidence (complied in 5 minutes of dealing with the suspect) that he's highly unlikely reaching for a gun. This would require critical thinking skills under duress, and many beat cops are just looking at absolutes due to fear. I get it.

[dhawkeye1980]

Nah, bro, I get the black and white thinking. Dude went for his waist, that's a good place for a gun, so derp, smoke him, regardless of the mountains of evidence (complied in 5 minutes of dealing with the suspect) that he's highly unlikely reaching for a gun. This would require critical thinking skills under duress, and many beat cops are just looking at absolutes due to fear. I get it.

Its fairly clear you do not get it and you never will. You anti cop slugs never do

[z4v4]

Its fairly clear you do not get it and you never will. You anti cop slugs never do

I'm not anti-cop, far from it. Which part did you disagree with? Let's start there?

Dude in your vid was obviously up to no good. Shaver...? Not quite. But I get it, and it's one of the dozen or so reasons why I didn't choose LE for a living.

[ScottTil]

Its fairly clear you do not get it and you never will. You anti cop slugs never do

Don't call people anti-cop just because they don't support the killing of innocent civilians.
I support cops in most of these issues. But the trigger happy attitude is getting out of hand and costing innocent lives.

When did serve and protect become "this may be dangerous, lets just smoke the guy"?

[dhawkeye1980]

Don't call people anti-cop just because they don't support the killing of innocent civilians.
I support cops in most of these issues. But the trigger happy attitude is getting out of hand and costing innocent lives.

When did serve and protect become "this may be dangerous, lets just smoke the guy"?

When stuff like this keeps happening on the reg. An LAPD female officer was just ambushed last night while sitting in her patrol car.

Not sure how you cant see all the violence happening to cops and not understand why they wouldnt take chances



Literally thousands of these videos on youtube

[snailsrus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.720e86d0a9b7

thats really sad, I bet the dude was like he wont really shoot me, i wont die today, then rip

[6-SPEED]

When stuff like this keeps happening on the reg. An LAPD female officer was just ambushed last night while sitting in her patrol car.

Not sure how you cant see all the violence happening to cops and not understand why they wouldnt take chances



Literally thousands of these videos on youtube

Not sure how you can't see all the violence happening to civilians from bad cops and not understand why some civilians fight back. Violence doesn't get to just go one way... bad cops cause anger and distrust in our communities and everyone INCLUDING the cops will suffer.

[tyqb4]

Nah, bro, I get the black and white thinking. Dude went for his waist, that's a good place for a gun, so derp, smoke him, regardless of the mountains of evidence (complied in 5 minutes of dealing with the suspect) that he's highly unlikely reaching for a gun. This would require critical thinking skills under duress, and many beat cops are just looking at absolutes due to fear. I get it.

I don't think it's a coincidence that every explanation you get involves a very linear thought process based on protocol. If it works 99.995% of the time and when it doesn't work the guy goes to trial it's hard to really argue the system failed. dhawkeye or really 99.99% of LEOs have probably "followed protocol" a thousand plus times and never had it fail them. There is no argument you can make that is more convincing than thousands of hours of experience which I would guess is why you see most of these guys defending cops in every situation. Tbh I think there would be a lot more problems if you expected cops to be iterative problem solving geniuses.

[bobbydigitaloa]

...because intelligent people aren't hired as cops.

Ad hominem at its finest...lost any argument you had. Smh...

[dhawkeye1980]

Not sure how you can't see all the violence happening to civilians from bad cops and not understand why some civilians fight back. Violence doesn't get to just go one way... bad cops cause anger and distrust in our communities and everyone INCLUDING the cops will suffer.

Probably because thats a made up narrative pushed by the media and NFL players.

[ScottTil]

[Youtube]VoDrpBb-tLU[/outube]

When stuff like this keeps happening on the reg. An LAPD female officer was just ambushed last night while sitting in her patrol car.

Not sure how you cant see all the violence happening to cops and not understand why they wouldnt take chances

[Youtube]kEksTY6Affc[/youtue]

Literally thousands of these videos on youtube

I'm not arguing like the other guy that our shooting rates should be like that of Australia or Europe. That's comparing apples to oranges like you said.
I agree we have a gang violence problem but realistically how was Daniel Shaver or some twitcher mistaken for gang members? They didn't fit the profile we can see in these videos.
The fallout from the violence should not be taken by innocent civilians. It should be more spending on police, more police training.

[Maestro]

The cop in the philippines is the sgt giving commands not the cop who shot and he was already planning to retire.

Get your facts straight

[6-SPEED]

Probably because thats a made up narrative pushed by the media and NFL players.

You don't believe there are any bad cops and there is corruption in law enforcement?