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    people who drive trucks in snow gtfih

    Ended up having to drive into the mountains for work today and experienced one heck of a snowstorm. I started off in 2WD ('17 f150) since I was still moving at around 60 and only 3 inches of snow or so, but on an uphill I was down to 45-50 and out of no where my back end slid around and nearly put me into oncoming traffic(almost did a 360). Luckily since I was going uphill I didn't even bother having to hit the breaks so I just let off the gas and straightened out, but still fairly scary in a new vehicle.

    Which begs the question wtf do I do to avoid having that happen particularly traveling on the interstate/highway in the future? Perhaps I was overdriving conditions a little, but honestly in a frontwheel drive car I never had an issue and I would have felt fine at the speed I was going today in my car. I'm thinking when I get home I'm throwing 4 50lb bags of sand in the bed to add a little weight over the back tires and maybe even getting some chains in the event conditions are very icy too. Any other suggestions other than flipping into 4x4 sooner? The part that bugs me the most is how random it seemed to be. I wasn't turning/rounding a bend or anything I was going straight up a moderate slope and randomly started going sideways. I can't have that happen on a busy interstate or highway when traveling at greater speeds.
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    Add a little weight & run in 4x4

    Really all the power is going to one rear wheel making it super easy to slide. Sure it'll eat more gas but gain a lot in traction.

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    rfp is right. It won't completely keep you from losing the rear end, but it will help.

    That being said, you did exactly the right thing by not hitting your brakes. Had you hit them, the rear end would have really swung around and you would have lost control. It doesn't matter if you're going uphill or down, brakes can be detrimental on slick roads.
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    Originally Posted by rfp View Post
    Add a little weight & run in 4x4

    Really all the power is going to one rear wheel making it super easy to slide. Sure it'll eat more gas but gain a lot in traction.

    Mirnin 17 f150.. I have a 16 ecobost amazing truck

    Ahh... So would locking in the rear axle be beneficial then? That would prevent all the power from going to one wheel right? Also, any concerns running 4x4 at speeds of 60 or greater? I don't wanna fk up anything engine wise, but from the saleguy I talked to it sounds like it is built to be nearly impossible to damage anything from shifting into 4x4 at speeds that are too high or by going too fast?

    But yeah love the Truck, I wanted the ecoboost so bad for CO altitude, but I couldn't find one within $5k of the truck I ended up getting. Didn't get 4 door either which kinda sucks, but again I saved like $8,000 in comparable ecoboosted 4 door models.
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    Snow tires + 4 HIGH preferably. What's killing you is the empty bed. When you were going uphill all the weight transferred to the back.

    Ya need about 350 lbs in the box. I literally had a small cement barrier in the back of my F150 back in the day.

    Driving around 4hi isn't really all that bad in the snow. The surface will allow slippage when it binds. Most of roads are straight anyways. You rarely notice anything except when you are turning slow. I.E: in parking lots
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    What tires do you have? Tires are the biggest help in poor conditions, second biggest in a truck would be weight in the back probably (although I never do this with my truck). I get lazy with weight in the back and just use 4x4 when I know I'll need it.

    For winter I have duratracs and they are amazing in the snow. Usually 60mph on the highway in snow with no issues. A few mornings going to work people were going 5 mph in the plowed lane so I went to the unplowed lane in 4x4 and in about a foot of snow was going 50 (5 over the speed limit) and could have easily went much faster because it was planted so well.

    Love driving around unplowed streets in 4x4 and drifting corners....love driving in snow regardless.
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    Does it not have an AWD function? Like 4 high, but the front wheels don't pull until the back wheels start slipping? I can't believe basic traction control didn't keep you from turning around. It sounds like overall you just need more practice driving it in the snow. You're not going to be able to drive it like a front wheel drive car obviously.
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    Originally Posted by spirit750 View Post
    Does it not have an AWD function? Like 4 high, but the front wheels don't pull until the back wheels start slipping? I can't believe basic traction control didn't keep you from turning around. It sounds like overall you just need more practice driving it in the snow. You're not going to be able to drive it like a front wheel drive car obviously.
    Nah not AWD just 4x4. I literally just got this truck like 2 months ago so this was my first time hitting the snow and it didn't go too bad. My tires aren't that great they are the basic 18 inch A/S 0.275/65R tires. I guess I will just plan on using 4x4 more often that seems like the easiest strategy on top of buying 200lbs of sand to throw in the back lmao. Or I should just go buy a snowmobile now and keep it in the back 24/7

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    Throw some hay in the back.

    I'd throw your mum in the back, but god knows I don't need 700lbs

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    Under extreme conditions tires, chains, and weighted beds won't make much of a difference if you are going that fast.

    I use both snow tires and chains when the weather goes to chit. The problem with chains is that you have to take them off often if you hit dry pavement and most importantly you can only go like 15-25 mphs safety with them unless you wanna run the risk of having them rip off and ending up damaging your truck.

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    Originally Posted by Burgerbuger View Post
    Under extreme conditions tires, chains, and weighted beds won't make much of a difference if you are going that fast.

    I use both snow tires and chains when the weather goes to chit. The problem with chains is that you have to take them off often if you hit dry pavement and most importantly you can only go like 15-25 mphs safety with them unless you wanna run the risk of having them rip off and ending up damaging your truck.

    The most dangerous part of driving in winter is unknown ice patches and stopping traction.
    Snow tires+4wd+weighted bed will get you going 98% of the time. Unless you encounter steep grade with ice or +30" of unplowed snow. I agree chains are just a cotdam nuisance. Brb putting on/taking off chains takes 15 minutes per tire in -30c. Brb have to pretty much keep speed below 30km/h. Brb chain snaps and goodbye to front fender. If I have to chain up I got to ask myself wtf am I doing out here in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by Kukayla View Post
    Snow tires+4wd+weighted bed will get you going 98% of the time. Unless you encounter steep grade with ice or +30" of unplowed snow. I agree chains are just a cotdam nuisance. Brb putting on/taking off chains takes 15 minutes per tire in -30c. Brb have to pretty much keep speed below 30km/h. Brb chain snaps and goodbye to front fender. If I have to chain up I got to ask myself wtf am I doing out here in the first place.
    Chains are mainly for getting going outta the parking lot. Out snowmobiling it isn't unusual to come back to a couple of feet of new snow on the truck or dealing with schitty parking lots that are half plowed. I don't think I've ever wanted to get chains out on the interstate or highway, but that might change now that I'm in Colorado. I don't think I'm gonna bother getting dedicated snow tires since I live in an area without much snow, but I am definitely gonna look for better A/S tires. I doubt these ones will get me farther than next fall anyway since they are the junky ones straight from the dealer.
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    The tires are **** from the dealer so some aggressive all seasons or snow tires and putting it in 4 hi will solve your problems. I'm in atlantic canada and never use extra weight in the bed, and never have been stuck..
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    The tires are **** from the dealer so some aggressive all seasons or snow tires and putting it in 4 hi will solve your problems. I'm in atlantic canada and never use extra weight in the bed, and never have been stuck..
    I've never worried about being stuck, just the fishtailing.
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    Chains are mainly for getting going outta the parking lot. Out snowmobiling it isn't unusual to come back to a couple of feet of new snow on the truck or dealing with schitty parking lots that are half plowed. I don't think I've ever wanted to get chains out on the interstate or highway, but that might change now that I'm in Colorado. I don't think I'm gonna bother getting dedicated snow tires since I live in an area without much snow, but I am definitely gonna look for better A/S tires. I doubt these ones will get me farther than next fall anyway since they are the junky ones straight from the dealer.
    If you are looking for A/T tires that excel in snow try Cooper Discover A/TW or Falken Wildpeak AT3W. They are well rounded tires with severe snow rating and will out perform over some dedicated winter tires.
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    1/2 ton Pickups with no extras are worse off in the snow than fwd cars imo. Absolutely positively need some weight in the bed. Someone mentioned a cement block. That would work but whatever you put back there make sure it is SECURED. It becomes a projectile in a wreck. Beyond that snow tires are a good idea. You can pay to swap them every season or probably pickup some wheels from an older F150 on Craig’s list or something.
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    i drive a 2017 f150 and in canada. put weight in the back (sand or river rock) about 4-5 bags on top of the back wheel area

    anytime it snows you better put that 4H on because its retarded to drive a rear wheel car in the snow.

    if you are legit in an area with slippy snow and you cant even go fast put it in 4L and take your time

    our trucks got a loose back end and that is a problem for the winter.

    also winter tires but all terrain is pretty close in traction.
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    There is a big gap between a full sized SUV and a full sized truck when it comes to winter driving.

    Full sized trucks have towing heavy crap baked into their design and with an empty bed the power back there on ice/snow is way too much. 4WD will help but the rear end can still come around way too easy.

    As other have mentioned, something heavy back there will help.

    A full sized SUV on the other hand has much better balance out of the box. I have owned a Tundra and Sequoia (identical powertrain) and the Sequoia is miles safer in the snow. You have to really work hard to get it sideways.

    A note on trucks and winter braking. If you have 4WD and do not use winter tires and engine breaking then you are missing the point of a winter truck. ABS is good but engine braking combined with light braking gives you better control.
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    take a little air out of the tires,
    maybe upgrade to a better tire suited for these conditions if you don't have some already
    slow down
    like you said some weight and chains in case would be good

    If I cant see the pavement , then I put in 4wd drive hi and slow down.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Ahh... So would locking in the rear axle be beneficial then? .
    I believe on your model the rear locker disengages above 25mph
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    Easy. Slow down. Damn near every fatal mistake made behind a wheel(or handlebar) starts with "too fast for conditions". If you 360 spun doing 45mph in a straight line, that sh!t was too fast for cond.


    Lotta people in here blaming the platform...It isnt the platform, putting weight in the rear is awesome until you need the brakes(An asset already stretched by the snow and ice). Best bet is to just chill out some. (srs) Trucks really aren't AWFUL in snow...I'd take a 4x4 on All seasons and GC, over a RWD Coupe/Sedan on snows any day.

    The combination of 3.5 EB(or 5.0), unloaded, with snow, on a hill(And I imagine while using Cruise) will sabotage anything that isn't a Subaru or FWD. You hit power, that b!tch is spinning. Period. Chill some.





    Never had a problem on the road that couldn't be solved by cutting 5-7mph....Other than convincing sloots that road head in a Toyota Tercel is an excellent idea, 5mph dont do **** for that.
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    Originally Posted by Noxema View Post
    Lotta people in here blaming the platform...It isnt the platform, putting weight in the rear is awesome until you need the brakes(An asset already stretched by the snow and ice). Best bet is to just chill out some. (srs) Trucks really aren't AWFUL in snow...I'd take a 4x4 on All seasons and GC, over a RWD Coupe/Sedan on snows any day.
    Your wording is goofy, you exaggerated, or you don't know wtf you're talking about. Putting weight in the rear will do next to nothing for braking because of weight transfer once you begin to slow. Snow tires are a million times better than all seasons because of the soft compound...and your whole braking complaint about weight in the rear...but you'd rather have 4x4 with all seasons when a winter tire will out brake all seasons by a mile.

    Agree completely on just taking it slower usually solves 90% of issues for most people...that being said, duratracs in the unplowed lane with 4x4 going 45mph around idiots in the plowed lane literally going 5mph for no fukking reason
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    Originally Posted by HotCheetos View Post
    Your wording is goofy, you exaggerated, or you don't know wtf you're talking about. Putting weight in the rear will do next to nothing for braking because of weight transfer once you begin to slow. Snow tires are a million times better than all seasons because of the soft compound...and your whole braking complaint about weight in the rear...but you'd rather have 4x4 with all seasons when a winter tire will out brake all seasons by a mile.

    Agree completely on just taking it slower usually solves 90% of issues for most people...that being said, duratracs in the unplowed lane with 4x4 going 45mph around idiots in the plowed lane literally going 5mph for no fukking reason
    I'm not entirely clueless about driving so obviously if I am braking going down a respectable grade I'm using the engine to slow me down which is easy when I'm not hauling a bunch of stuff which is typical. My snowmobile weighs at most 600 lbs full of fuel and snow and that in the back gives plenty of weight so no issues there. I was just trying to figure out how to best maintain control with an empty bed (just got 240 lbs of sand today + chains). I know how to drive conditions, but like I said in the OP I randomly started spinning a bit out of nowhere which is what freaked me out in the first place. That amount of snow shouldn't have been an issue in the slightest.

    I don't wanna upgrade tires when my current ones are almost new, but next year before winter I will probably get those too. I should be all set for now. I threw my chains on the truck today just to make sure I knew how to do it. Final question is which axle would you put your chains on? I'm thinking of just throwing them on the back wheels because I don't wanna fk up my front plastics, but I'd also like to make sure I can turn the truck too... decisions decisions
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    Weight at the end of the bed really helps. The right tires. I run Michelin LTX M/S all year. Drop air pressure down to about 20-24psi. Yes if you are going to have the truck a while I'd get some chains, although I haven't mine, but I'm in GA. I have a 2002 Chevy Silverado, reg bed reg cab and it does amazing in snow and ice even though it's 2WD.
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