Daniel Shaver shooting justified?

[WillBrink]

So the cop thought he may have hid the rifle in his underwear?

Cuz people can't have rifles and pistols? Is this how stupid people are today?

[z4v4]

Think about this from the cops' perspective for a second

You're called to a hotel because someone is pointing a gun out a the window. You likely don't have much more information besides that

You don't know what kind of gun, how many guns, how many people, what their state of mind is, what their intentions are, etc.

How do you expect them to handle a situation like that?

I probably wouldn't be screaming at a crying guy begging to not be shot to do gymnastics. I understand he's (cop) scared and such, but dude also has the phrase: "You're fukked" inscribed on the ejection port cover of his AR-15.

[ALLUCANEATRIBS]

they were both probably scared ****less tbh, don't put yourself in that position by waving a fuking air rifle out a hotel window to begin with, absolute moron.

[JackTheMiscer]

if i was on the jury my verdict would prolly be guilty.

should have told the dude to lay spread out and NOT MOVE, and wait for more cops to cuff. you cant just start shooting people cuz you cant handle stress and get scared, if you freak out that much, you have no place being an officer on my streets. we dont want you

[ScottTil]

Cuz people can't have rifles and pistols? Is this how stupid people are today?

Cop assumed (incorrectly) that he was armed.
Cop assumed (incorrectly) that a man who was begging for his life and laying on the ground in front of a swat team was attempting to reach for a gun to shoot him.

Problem with assuming is, if you're a dumbass, more often than not you will be wrong.
If you kill people based on assumptions, expect bad results.

[arn710]

I probably wouldn't be screaming at a crying guy begging to not be shot to do gymnastics.

Already covered that

I understand he's (cop) scared and such, but dude also has the phrase: "You're fukked" inscribed on the ejection port cover of his AR-15.

I didn't see that. You're right. He should automatically be found guilty because of this

[Gainzzz]

Cop assumed (incorrectly) that he was armed.
Cop assumed (incorrectly) that a man who was begging for his life and laying on the ground in front of a swat team was attempting to reach for a gun to shoot him.

Unfortunately, in real life, people don't have x-ray vision and can't read minds. Watch less movies.

Why are you literally just lying? The guy was crawling on his hands and knees and reached towards his waist after specifically being told not to do that several times.

[WillBrink]

Cop assumed (incorrectly) that he was armed.
Cop assumed (incorrectly) that a man who was begging for his life and laying on the ground in front of a swat team was attempting to reach for a gun to shoot him.

Problem with assuming is, if you're a dumbass, more often than not you will be wrong.
If you kill people based on assumptions, expect bad results.

You're a legit retard.

[JackTheMiscer]

Unfortunately, in real life, people don't have x-ray vision and can't read minds. Watch less movies.

Why are you literally just lying? The guy was crawling on his hands and knees and reached towards his waist after specifically being told not to do that several times.

cant just be all hyped up ready to shoot cuz over imagination. come on bro, common sense. inb4 muhhh fear of lifeeee

[ScottTil]

You're a legit retard.

I don't think name calling is allowed on this forum. Mods...

[WestAfrica]

Is that how cops are supposed to talk and act? “Hands up, legs crossed, knees locked!” “Do what I say I’ll blow you away!” “Hands up! Ass out! Crawl! Stop! Drop! Don’t talk! Do you want to get blown away! Crawl! Hands out! Palms down!” I woulda just told the cop to shoot me vs those questions he was asking me.

[JackTheMiscer]

I don't think name calling is allowed on this forum. Mods...

lmao yeah, the old resort to name calling when you cant articulate your argument. that means you automatically win.

[Gainzzz]

cant just be all hyped up ready to shoot cuz over imagination. come on bro, common sense. inb4 muhhh fear of lifeeee

Yea, because that's no big deal..

They got a call saying there was a guy pointing rifles out of a window. Definitely no reason to be on edge there.

So many internet tough guys with ice in their veins.

It's extremely easy to say what should have happened after the fact when you have all the information.

[Austanian]

Cop assumed (incorrectly) that he was armed.
Cop assumed (incorrectly) that a man who was begging for his life and laying on the ground in front of a swat team was attempting to reach for a gun to shoot him.

Problem with assuming is, if you're a dumbass, more often than not you will be wrong.
If you kill people based on assumptions, expect bad results.

The problem is you have proved in the thread you are a dumbass and you are wrong...

HE WAS THE ARMED SUSPECT. THERE WERE ARMS IN HIS HOTEL ROOM. REACHING FOR YOUR WAIST BAND AS AN "ARMED SUSPECT" WILL GET YOU KILLED.

FACTS non-negotiable. If the same suspect had walked out of his hotel room and made a sudden movement to his waist band cop would have been back on duty a week later.

The failing is how this situation was handled.

[WestAfrica]

Unfortunately, in real life, people don't have x-ray vision and can't read minds. Watch less movies.

Why are you literally just lying? The guy was crawling on his hands and knees and reached towards his waist after specifically being told not to do that several times.

No the cop gave him chitty orders to follow and kept changing them on the fly. Why didn’t he just cuff the guy similar to the first person instead of playing Simon Says. So instead of trying to desculate the situation by giving calm orders to the guy “Lay there and don’t move we are gonna cuff you” vs confuse the guy with random orders ans amplify his anxiety by telling him if he fks up your weird ass orders again you are gonna blow him away.

[cenpil]

I didn't see that. You're right. He should automatically be found guilty because of this

you srs or being satirical? Cops/soldiers/etc. engrave things all the time that have to do with them being BMFs, etc. You have to already have that mindset going in. If a cop has to pull a rifle on a criminal going for a kill, why is it bad that he's shooting to kill? Isn't that the point? The engraving is just an egoistical personalization. I don't know the cop, but I could see myself or anyone else engraving parts of a gun like that. Haven't you seen pics of writing on bombs directed towards ISIS, etc.? Same thing.

[Kiknskreem]

No. Regardless of what the jury voted, it's a clear cut case of murder.

The video was painful to watch, and the cop was clearly a billy bad ass wannabee, but at the end of the day, the suspect is on video clear as day making a movement completely consistent with drawing a firearm.

Sayings its a "clear cut case of murder" shows you either didn't watch the video, or don't understand the elements at play.

And for the record, that situation was handled poorly. Its just not a "clear cut case of murder," objectively speaking.

[ScottTil]

Swatting is when people call the cops on someone and let them know there is a crime happening when it really isn't. Anonymous trolls do it to twitch streamers or celebrities.


Easy to see how some of you would jusify murder of all these people.

"Armed suspect" because someone on the phone said so.
Fumbled for a second and boom, wasted.

[JackTheMiscer]

you srs or being satirical? Cops/soldiers/etc. engrave things all the time that have to do with them being BMFs, etc. You have to already have that mindset going in. If a cop has to pull a rifle on a criminal going for a kill, why is it bad that he's shooting to kill? Isn't that the point? The engraving is just an egoistical personalization. I don't know the cop, but I could see myself or anyone else engraving parts of a gun like that. Haven't you seen pics of writing on bombs directed towards ISIS, etc.? Same thing.

lmao just no bro. have you been living under a rock? war vs shooting civilians isnt even the same ballpark. also with the issues in the united states, i think it would be a good idea to remove any aggressive/offensive things on equipment, it can also possible show intent under certain circumstances.

think bro

[Austanian]

No. Regardless of what the jury voted, it's a clear cut case of murder. The lunatic behind the camera and gun was creating and looking for his best opportunity to commit murder.

Loser behind the gun acted like he was either hyped up on massive levels of crack .... or doing a hilarious well thought out comedy skit for Saturday Night Live making fun of cops hyped up on massive levels of crack.

Hopefully that wacko fruit loop lunatic never wears a badge or gun again.

Unbroken chain... Even though he was a chitty cop. Nothing in his game of Simon says makes me think that the suspect quickly jerking to reach for his waist ban was a "normal" response.

Glad the dude was fired. I wish he served some time in jail. Just not murder.

[ymer]

No. Regardless of what the jury voted, it's a clear cut case of murder.

100% this

[arn710]

you srs or being satirical? Cops/soldiers/etc. engrave things all the time that have to do with them being BMFs, etc. You have to already have that mindset going in. If a cop has to pull a rifle on a criminal going for a kill, why is it bad that he's shooting to kill? Isn't that the point? The engraving is just an egoistical personalization. I don't know the cop, but I could see myself or anyone else engraving parts of a gun like that. Haven't you seen pics of writing on bombs directed towards ISIS, etc.? Same thing.

Definitely being sarcastic there bro

[mynameisuntz]

So what does it take for a police officer to be held accountable if this one wasn't?

[Kiknskreem]

100% this

Suspect on video clearly reaching behind his waist.

Clear cut murder.

You can only pick one.

[ScottTil]

what would happen if the guy just lay down on the floor with his hands out and refused to follow any more orders?
Surely they couldn't shoot him then right?

[cenpil]

lmao just no bro. have you been living under a rock? war vs shooting civilians isnt even the same ballpark. also with the issues in the united states, i think it would be a good idea to remove any aggressive/offensive things on equipment, it can also possible show intent under certain circumstances.

think bro

I'm thinking, and still having a tough time coming up with how going into a call about a rifle pointed out the window, in light of recent mass shooting events, to confront an armed suspect in unknown conditions who is potentially hostile is "not even in the same ballpark" as war. Is there a magic switch that happens when some higher-ups in the country declare war so that you can kill indiscriminately? In both situations, you are expecting the worst and must react as such, but must retain judgement (ie not shooting a woman or child with hands up in war, which could potentially be innocent, or armed, you can't be sure).

A high stress- life or death situation in both cases. It's apparent that you're not all that capable or reasoning though, so I'll pass on replying after this.

[ymer]

Suspect on video clearly reaching behind his waist.

Clear cut murder.

You can only pick one.

I don't remember asking for a moron's opinion.

[WillBrink]

I don't think name calling is allowed on this forum. Mods...

Go to your safe space perhaps. Misc forums aint it. Make idiotic comments, gonna get called an idiot.

[cenpil]

Definitely being sarcastic there bro

Thanks, got it. People like that other guy who replied are the reason I had to ask.

[Kiknskreem]

I don't remember asking for a moron's opinion.

I'm sorry you're so rustled by the facts.

Regardless of how much of a douche the cop was, and how poor his commands were, the suspect is on video clearly reaching behind his waist in a manner completely consistent with drawing a firearm. That's not up for debate.

If you want to argue that you think its voluntary manslaughter, that's a completely reasonable discussion to have.

To assert that its clear cut murder just shows that you have no understanding of the elements of either crime and either did not watch the video or did not understand the events as shown on video.