Why arent more miscers doing coding bootcamps?

[chickenbroccoli]

Yes.

Source: Majored in dance and now make good $$$ at a startup.

Sounds cool. I sit in front of a computer all day getting mind fukked and process loan applications. Extremely complicated and the pay sucks $60,000 in my 3rd year in the SF Bay Area and don’t see any future.

[LeakyQuesadilla]

Take a bootcamp. See how you like it. If after 4-5 months you feel comfortable and confident with the material, PM me (srs.) We're hiring at any given time 5+ entry-level developers in the Bay Area.

SF Bay area?

I've been teach myself coding for a little over a year now and can do the front-end.

Currently learning React ATM, I also have a github of all the projects i've done.

[chickenbroccoli]

Take a bootcamp. See how you like it. If after 4-5 months you feel comfortable and confident with the material, PM me (srs.) We're hiring at any given time 5+ entry-level developers in the Bay Area.

I’m going to have a look into getting my feet wet. Maybe it’s time for a new grind. Thanks for the heads up.

[JD805]

I gave this a shot in high school and it was super boring. The only people who enjoyed it were gamers or the "nerds'.


But where can I learn to code ? website ?

[97Camry4Lyfe]

-Lots of money
-High dropout rate
-Very selective

Its not a cakewalk. It takes a certain breed to be able to come out of a reputable one.

[drFEEL]

-Lots of money
-High dropout rate
-Very selective

Its not a cakewalk. It takes a certain breed to be able to come out of a reputable one.

the people i have met aint the brightest fools

The problem is you guys keep forgetting that there are compsci cucks who do the big time coding and then there are coding bootcamp type of jobs that still pay well.

How can anyone think that 20k is a lot when most spend more than that for a full on degree that takes 4 years at least and hardly gets you anywhere unless its stem

[SweatGate]

Pretty jelly of boot campers. I didn't major in CS but I took some courses in college and have been coding on my own for years. It was a struggle to end up with a 60k position (at least it's in a low cost of living area). TBH I don't really understand how you can become proficient enough to land such a well paying job in such a short amount of time. The interviews I attended expected pretty deep/specific understanding of development that is hard to come by except by immersing yourself and absorbing knowledge over time. The boot campers I talked to had a pretty surface level understanding of development. Maybe my location is bad or the technology I know or maybe the boot camp certificate really counts for something.

[iloveus]

I gave this a shot in high school and it was super boring. The only people who enjoyed it were gamers or the "nerds'.


But where can I learn to code ? website ?

codecademy.com and freecodecamp.com

[RocknRollMuscle]

lol @ anyone who thinks bootcamps will amog actual 4 year degrees.

Sure if you want to work for some sweatshop startup that will work you to the bone and pay you little cuz you're a dumb kid with no degree. Stay in college. The corporate executives are not gonna get rid of the status quo that allows them to brag about theri own degrees.

[ForTheLulz]

https://www.42.us.org/

This is free

[Malversation]

learning how to program really isn't all that hard, but it's also not something I could see myself doing for the rest of my life (I program as a hobby in my off-time, but tbh it'd suck as a job).

[dashdash89]

Do you need these bootcamps though? No doubt we're spoiled right now with the availability of so much info. I know a few great developers with no csci degree -- just bright people with a passion for coding and learning and all that good stuff. Then there's Google's Foobar which reaches out for potential candidates via search history, not the next graduate in line.

I just think.. if you need some bootcamp to teach you the very basics and think you'll make it in the field from there on out, chances are against you

[SadBoys]

Because coding is boring and soul draining as fuk. I had several coding subjects in my college and I wanted to gouge my eyes out by the end of the semester. It's tedious and it started to make me think like a machine drone instead of a human being. No idea how anyone can do that for years and not go insane. No wonder my coder friends are all heavy coffee and tobacco consumers and display high levels of passive-aggressiveness

[papi89]

Sounds like a boring ass nerdy job srs

While you're coding in front of your little computer, your girl is out there getting dicked down by Chad the tradie who just finished eating a gas station croissant and large coke

[BostonRockets]

Because coding is boring and soul draining as fuk. I had several coding subjects in my college and I wanted to gouge my eyes out by the end of the semester. It's tedious and it started to make me think like a machine drone instead of a human being. No idea how anyone can do that for years and not go insane. No wonder my coder friends are all heavy coffee and tobacco consumers and display high levels of passive-aggressiveness

This, don't care what it pays... If I did something for the money I'd rather work on an oil rig and make even more in half a year.

[supersystem3]

The only one of these I've heard of that makes sense is Lambda Academy, yet it literally requires a more rigorous background from its students than an Ivy League so lol just lol

TLDR: They charge you no money for tuition unless you get a well paying job in the tech field upon graduation

OP is drastically overestimating most peoples' abilities and underestimating the talent and innate ability coding requires. I don't give a fuk if you majored in dance, or are a high school dropout, at the end of the day either coding comes fairly easily to you or it doesn't. For most people it doesn't. The only reason coding ALWAYS comes easy to comp sci and math grads is the people that can't code get weeded out of those majors before graduation.

[TappingTheZen]

because its boring to write lines of code all day - theres a reason the pay is so good

It's actually not, and for a good developer only about 30-40% of it goes into actually writing code. A decent full stack developer will have input in the design, architecture, implementation etc, and designing a software solution is more fun than it sounds. Just writing lines of code is a tiny part of it, but this is the difference between a developer and a code monkey. I enjoy my job, im not infront of my computer all day, i travel, meet customers, and i work 37 hours a week and earn good money.

I don't see how you can be a good programmer after 3 or 6 months though. It takes years to be legitimately good at it, and big companies paying decent salaries are looking for experience. Do you actually do this as a career OP, or are you just parroting hear-say? I highly doubt people are really getting 75k off the bat... i've been doing this **** for nearly 6 years and i've never seen people getting paid 75k straight out of university, let alone after a 6 month course.

[TappingTheZen]

Because coding is boring and soul draining as fuk. I had several coding subjects in my college and I wanted to gouge my eyes out by the end of the semester. It's tedious and it started to make me think like a machine drone instead of a human being. No idea how anyone can do that for years and not go insane. No wonder my coder friends are all heavy coffee and tobacco consumers and display high levels of passive-aggressiveness

Because there's a difference between 'coding' and 'developing'

[HairyCrotchGuy]

ur red but im considering doing this srs, they are really expensive here. Like 20k for 6 months.

Atm im self teaching + cheap courses on udemy to get my toes wet

you can get a course with living space provided for less than 10k in london

[hutch6]

A much easier and way more interesting path is:

Cisco Nuggets.
Cisco exam - about $500.
Cisco cert.
Companies get a discount on Cisco stuff for employing you.

Not sat programming all day. Fault finding, developing network architecture skills and a wide scope for other areas to go into such VoIP or Security (big bucks).

You can be certified in about 30days with solid studying and aren't 20K out of pocket. The exams are pretty nails so your employer will know how good you are just to pass the exam so you are already a valuable asset straight out of the starting gate.

[TappingTheZen]

ITT: People have no idea what being a software developer entails.

It is NOT sitting coding all day. I probably write actual code 2 hours a day, if that.

[JamesA1990]

ITT: People have no idea what being a software developer entails.

It is NOT sitting coding all day. I probably write actual code 2 hours a day, if that.

What else do you do?

[TappingTheZen]

What else do you do?

Speak to the users (which in my case is the rest of the business), form requirements, design, think about the architecture, design the classes in UML. You don't just sit and write a program, a lot of thought has to go into it in complex applications and coding is really the easy part. Sometimes i'll travel to support our applications when we sell them to new businesses, or we upgrade their software etc.

[miscbrah007]

Cause code monkeys don't even make 10k/month and misc is full of ceo 10k/day

[DavidL913]

A much easier and way more interesting path is:

Cisco Nuggets.
Cisco exam - about $500.
Cisco cert.
Companies get a discount on Cisco stuff for employing you.

Not sat programming all day. Fault finding, developing network architecture skills and a wide scope for other areas to go into such VoIP or Security (big bucks).

You can be certified in about 30days with solid studying and aren't 20K out of pocket. The exams are pretty nails so your employer will know how good you are just to pass the exam so you are already a valuable asset straight out of the starting gate.

sounds interesting. been looking at the cisco site on the different kinds of exams.

i'm really big into cryptocurrency. The cybersecurity stuff piques my interests. Dreamed of being a hacker as a kid.

[Ransker]

Because coding fries most peoples' heads. Doing that for 40 plus hour weeks is not going to be enjoyable. Plus I bet most coming out of that course aren't starting at 75plus thousand. Guarantee the drop out rate for that place is very high. Generally people who are good at coding have been at it from an early age and have a genuine interest in them ones and zeros. Finally, constantly having to keep up with new tech, ideas etc or you'll be left behind.

Having said that, great career choice if you've a knack for it.

It hard to say , this major is also very marketable ,but the success rate is very low

[eonbre]

Is Learning just Ruby on rails and NOSql enough to get well paid job or you need to know front end as well?

[TylerDerpden]

3 months to prep
3 months of rigorous coursework
Get hired out the gate at $75k-$85k

Profit

Why arent you ****s doing that? I have heard of multiple people going this route.

My friend works for activision making $35/hr and just taught himself to code

Is this assuming the person in question is a technologically illiterate tard, who's sum total of coding knowledge is the ability to use bold, spoiler, image imbed tags, and a smile and wink emoticon on the miscellaneous section of a bodybuilding forum?

[hutch6]

Is this assuming the person in question is a technologically illiterate tard, who's sum total of coding knowledge is the ability to use bold, spoiler, image imbed tags, and a smile and wink emoticon on the miscellaneous section of a bodybuilding forum?

The Nuggets take you from what is a network to building virtual networks, what is an IP to subnetting, to packet tracing, cisco router commands, full TCP handshake model, end-to-end dialogue and much more for the CCNA or CCENT stuff.

Get up into the echelons of CC IE (blanks it if it's all joined together) and you're flying as far as a career goes.

If you want to be ahead of the game then SIP engineers are going to be in extremely high demand in the next couple of years as even your basic ISP/SME is waking up to it.

[Exiled93]

This.

Tried learning ruby and ruby on rails, wasn't for me. I know it can set you up for a pretty nice life if you fully dedicate yourself to learning code but I can't imagine myself sitting behind the computer writing code for 10 hours a day for the next 20 years.

Yea I was always interested in programming until I started learning it. Nothnxjeff.