All jokes aside. Hitler was probably one of the greatest speakers in modern history.

[Mr Beer]

Did you major in history?

Most people have this Hollywood version of WW2, due to movies and comic books.

No, I don't have a degree. I read books though, took an interest in the Holocaust and then expanded to WWII.

IMO every nation has their own delusions about WWII e.g.

- Britain thinks they won WWII but ignore the fact that they were essentially militarily irrelevant from 1944 on, that the war put a bullet into the empire and that British soldiers were complete piss compared to the Wehrmacht.

- US thinks they won WWII but ignores the fact that the Soviets killed the vast majority of the fighting Germans (US basically solo'd Japan though).

- Russians know they won WWII but ignore the fact that they were only involved because Hitler invaded them and that the US and Britain propped them up during the dark days. Also that the Red Army were serial rapists and that the Germans had many thousands of Soviet traitors fighting for them.

forget where i hear it from, but the soviets were struggling at the beginning cause the communist council or party were micromanaging their military and then stalin gave full control of the military to the generals etc and soviets jumped right back up

Stalin murdered about half of the officers in the entire Red Army and 90% of the generals. Also the survivors tended to be 'politically reliable' i.e. Party lackeys as opposed to effective (popular) fighting officers. Add to that Soviet doctrine relied on officers at the battlefield tactical level instead of NCOs. So basically morale was shot and no-one knew WTF they were doing.

Once the Red Army had the absolute piss beaten out of them and were in full and abject retreat, Stalin did some rethinking. Zhukov had avoided purging due to being out East and eventually ascended to command by being good at killing Germans. There were a Soviet tank general, forget the name, who was pulled out of the Lubyanka and sent to the front where he excelled. But he needed a rest cure first because the NKVD had beaten him to pulp so many times and pulled his fingernails out while he was in their cellars.

In the learning phase of the war, the mandatorily attached political commissars went from having total veto power to being basically irrelevant. Closer to victory, Stalin started reigning the army in again.

Lmao this is a dumb thread. If Hitler was really that good of a speaker he would've been able to negotiate and influence the attacking countries to lay down their arms and give him a decent "surrender" like Escobar did with the initial prison in Colombia.

Any random hack can rile up the extremists within a bunch of poor people to do his bidding. Just look at North Korea and Kim Jong Un

Pretty ignorant comment, Hitler was an amazing public speaker, not an actual wizard. Also, he was never going to surrender, that would have been the complete antithesis of his personal world view, which is why he topped himself.

As for 'riling up poor people', there were a lot of public speaker riling up Germans in Hitler's time. He was by far the most prominent because he was by far the most effective speaker. He stood out for a reason i.e. he was the best at it.

[sawoobley]

Hitler's popularity was a factor of his time and place. Hitler was a more impressive public speaker in 1930s Germany than Reagan in 1980s USA. He had a natural talent and worked extremely hard at honing his craft.

Of course he was. The people were much more desperate in 1930s Germany than Reagan in the 1980s. If the roles were reversed and the 1980s in the USA was the desperate time and place for the people then Reagan would have been considered the more impressive public speaker. It's kind of like giving food to a starving person verses someone who is slightly hungry.

It's just my opinion but when I read the words of Hitler's speeches and listen to his delivery it doesn't sound that impressive. Then again I tend to focus on the content of the speech rather than getting jazzed up by a rah rah speech.

You're a potato. My goodness.

Oh, did I insult your hero? Gotta be more careful around here.

[Orlando1234977]

Shame America will never have leaders like this

Yep, always a high like/dislike ratio on speeches when the translation is correct and not fabricated.

[MyGhettoFantasy]

Hitler was brilliant.

It is a shame he chose war and hate.

[Mr Beer]

Of course he was. The people were much more desperate in 1930s Germany than Reagan in the 1980s. If the roles were reversed and the 1980s in the USA was the desperate time and place for the people then Reagan would have been considered the more impressive public speaker.

Reagan had folksy charm, he was a likeable guy, much like how Bill Clinton was likeable. But there's a massive gulf between being liked and trusted, and being the most effective demagogue of the entire 20th century. There's absolutely nothing ever achieved by Reagan that indicates he would have been capable of rousing people like Hitler did.

[FunnyWeasel]

Hitler was brilliant.

It is a shame he chose war and hate.

yeah yeah because talks of peace and productive meetings will definitely appeal to massive amounts of poor people living in complete chit conditions
(end sarcasm)

[mynameisuntz]

In on another "Hitler was right" thread

This. Followed by a “why does everyone think we’re nazis?” thread, Classic R&P

^^^^

[Dorich]

I couldn't care less about analyzing the "positive things" of someone who is responsible for genocide.

In this case, the bad drastically outweighs the good.

In other words: Hitler was a *******. Nothing about him interests me.

[MyGhettoFantasy]

yeah yeah because talks of peace and productive meetings will definitely appeal to massive amounts of poor people living in complete chit conditions
(end sarcasm)

I don't understand your point.

Are you saying he had no choice but war and hate?

[Dave22reborn]

Operation Barbarossa wouldn't even had happened if it wasn't for the non-aggression pact. Stalin was hoping that Western Europe would get involved in a war for 4-5 years. By 1944, the Soviets would have steamrolled through Western Europe with ease.

[S0Jack3d]

Goebbels was pretty Good as well

[Dave22reborn]

Goebbels was pretty Good as well

Talking about Mr. Club Foot?

[Metz00]

Here is a compilation in color but there isn't much speaking, it's mostly a montage done with background music.

[Dave22reborn]

Here is a compilation in color but there isn't much speaking, it's mostly a montage done with background music.

So a compilation video with music is supposed to do what?

[89FoxBody]

Hitler got overconfident and started the war too early. The Germans certainly did have the upper hand technologically but many of those technologies were still in their infancy. Others proved to be a huge waste of time/money/manpower.

The V1 rocket was more of a psychological weapon than anything. It was actually kind of a piece of junk and didn't accomplish much. The V2 was certainly better, and the first man-made object to leave the atmosphere, but even with all of the improvements it was still a non-factor in the war as a whole.

Jet propulsion was used in limited quantities but really never made it to the fore-front.

Most German soldiers were still using bolt-action rifles despite the fact that the Germans had semi-automatic rifles and even fully automatic assault rifles (StG44).

While they had the most feared tanks produced in the war like the Panther and Tigers, there simply weren't enough of them, as they were to expensive to produce and maintain, to overwhelm the Allies' industrial capacity at producing far more Shermans and T-34s. The T-34 is probably top 3 of most influential weapons of the war. It was fast, well armed and armored, well designed, and very quick to produce.

Despite all of their technological wizardry, the German army was only 50% mechanized, meaning they relied on horses for 50% of their movements.

Basically my point is that if Hitler had waited 2 years or maybe even a year to start his war, during which the Allies would have done absolutely nothing to curb his efforts, we'd be singing a much different tune. The Germans would have had more time to fine-tune these technologies and implement them better and more prominently in their arsenal. Sure, a Tiger tank was a fearsome weapon, but the Soviets could lose 4 T-34s destroying it and still come out ahead. You just can't beat those odds. The US was cranking out Liberty ships at the rate of one per day. The only way Germany could have overcome that was by vast technological advantage which they did have in certain areas, but were unable to mass produce yet. It's a good thing he was so arrogant.

[PaulG]

So a compilation video with music is supposed to do what?

A reverence; A revelation of unspeakable evil manifest.

[Thelonebadwolf]

Absolutely blows my mind how people celebrate Hitler or the Confederates who took two of the biggest Ls in military history.

As our president says "I only like winners"

[ODBM]

Absolutely blows my mind how people celebrate Hitler or the Confederates who took two of the biggest Ls in military history.

As our president says "I only like winners"

People value what these entities fought for, plain and simple. Confederates fought for preservation of states' rights and very limited centralized power, while Hitler fought for the preservation of German people and culture against the poison of Marxist economic and social degeneracy. In 2017, I can very much appreciate both of these causes.

Of course since the winners write the history books, we have droves of people who think "Confederates just wanted to enslave blacks" and "Germans just wanted to gas the Jews."

These people are gullible idiots.

[Tha big kahoona]

People value what these entities fought for, plain and simple. Confederates fought for preservation of states' rights and very limited centralized power, while Hitler fought for the preservation of German people and culture against the poison of Marxist economic and social degeneracy. In 2017, I can very much appreciate both of these causes.

Of course since the winners write the history books, we have droves of people who think "Confederates just wanted to enslave blacks" and "Germans just wanted to gas the Jews."

These people are gullible idiots.

From your experience, are your views on these matters shared by the majority of Trumpers?

[ODBM]

From your experience, are your views on these matters shared by the majority of Trumpers?

I haven't met the majority of Trump supporters. That said, if you asked them whether they are wary of powerful central government and have a desire to preserve their nation and its culture, then the answer from most would be yes on both counts.

[kovalchuk71]

Those that don't know history will probably be in here calling you a Trumplet or racist bigot or something but

Hitler was actually a good speaker, he rallied the entire country and was very strategic as far as the military goes. Basically, he was a pretty smart person- but he was purely evil. He probably could have done much more damage in WW2 if he didn't screw up in the early 40's by trying to take on Russia. If he let them sit there and wait to see if he had won Europe and then campaigned on them it could have been much different.

I believe he was also using some sort of drugs (a lot of German soldiers were using meth to give them an upper) and went kind of crazy with battle plans.

Like I said, pure evil though.

The history channel did an entire show on this. The guy was doped/hyped up on every drug you can image. They believe he developed Parkinson's as a result of his heavy drug use. It was pretty good.

http://www.history.com/news/inside-t...d-nazi-germany

[MisterJustice]

One of the best series of documentaries about WW2, rated 9.2/10 on imdb

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071075/

[TimSobk]

https://youtu.be/wAMgT8LuZaw

this guy is retarded, does not even understand hitlers rhetoric nor does he speak german. what a twat

[Thelonebadwolf]

People value what these entities fought for, plain and simple. Confederates fought for preservation of states' rights and very limited centralized power, while Hitler fought for the preservation of German people and culture against the poison of Marxist economic and social degeneracy. In 2017, I can very much appreciate both of these causes.

Of course since the winners write the history books, we have droves of people who think "Confederates just wanted to enslave blacks" and "Germans just wanted to gas the Jews."

These people are gullible idiots.

This is all good and well if we were not just as guilty as rewriting our own history to make ourselves sound better than we really were. See droves of people on this board who think our foreign policy has been angelic since 1776.

It's also ironic that some share these two views(Strong nation/people/ anti degeneracy) and are fond of Hitler/Confederacy, but they thought Gaddafi was a bad guy, We should "bring democracy" to countries that tell us to fuk off, Assad should be kicked out, or that we should be 100% backers of countries that promote this degeneracy in other nations.

I respect peoples views from a wide range of the spectrum and think debate/compromise/dicussion is how we made a strong foreign policy in the 20th century. What I don't value is inconsistent views.

[ODBM]

This is all good and well if we were not just as guilty as rewriting our own history to make ourselves sound better than we really were. See droves of people on this board who think our foreign policy has been angelic since 1776.

It's also ironic that some share these two views(Strong nation/people/ anti degeneracy) and are fond of Hitler/Confederacy, but they thought Gaddafi was a bad guy, We should "bring democracy" to countries that tell us to fuk off, Assad should be kicked out, or that we should be 100% backers of countries that promote this degeneracy in other nations.

I respect peoples views from a wide range of the spectrum and think debate/compromise/dicussion is how we made a strong foreign policy in the 20th century. What I don't value is inconsistent views.

Be careful not to generalize. I do not support freedom bombing campaigns, and I think Gaddafi was unjustly killed for threatening the interests of international financiers.

[Dave22reborn]

From your experience, are your views on these matters shared by the majority of Trumpers?

What's a Trumper?

[MrPappageorgio]

Hitler may have been a fantastic orator and communicator, but he was a complete idiot strategically. He let his delusions of grandeur derail his progress towards his goal. A few examples:

When the allies landed at Normandy on D-day, Hitler was awakened and made aware, but he was convinced that the landing was a diversion, neglected to send reinforcements, and went back to sleep - despite pleas from his forward commanders. He didn't rely on the wisdom of his generals, but instead thought he knew everything. Imagine if the allies were unable to establish a beach head and forward progress because Hitler reinforced his line?

As mentioned earlier - he decided to open up a war on two fronts, with the 2nd front being invading North into Russia.

The infamous "Halt Order" in which the Germans did not move forward and crush the British at Dunkirk, and instead let them evacuate.

There are many more examples of Hitler not listening to his Generals and it costing him dearly.

Hitler got in his own way, which was a good thing.

[Tamorlane]

“Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history.” Karl Marx writing in the Communist Manifesto (1848).

“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815

"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." -- Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company.

[Twerk4it]

From your experience, are your views on these matters shared by the majority of Trumpers?

Trumpers are huge Hitler fans for some reason.

[achtungpanzer]

- Russians know they won WWII but ignore the fact that they were only involved because Hitler invaded them and that the US and Britain propped them up during the dark days. Also that the Red Army were serial rapists and that the Germans had many thousands of Soviet traitors fighting for them.

Without the lend-lease act of 1941, there would have been no Red Army to fight the Germans. http://www.history.com/topics/world-...lend-lease-act