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    New mesomorph w/ Senegalia extract

    Call me intrigued.

    Looks like a powdered version of Dexaprine XR without alpha y + all of the other mesomorph ingredients.

    Hoping that the pineapple flavor will be offered and that samples will be available, as I'm looking for a new pre (non DMHA), but on a tight budget atm
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    I'm pretty interested in the new formula as well. I personally wasn't huge into DMAA, but I do love my dexaprine XR so I have been very excited about this one.

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    I'll try it.. mesomorph is my favorite pre workout the flavors are pretty damn good too.
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    This seems like a solid pre. I’m hoping to try it soon. I will leave a quick review if I do.
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    check out what the Senegalia is standardized for...some REALLY powerful Phenethylamine isomers and of course Methylsynephrine. This thing kicks in very very fast, and has no crash thanks to the crazy long half life of MS.

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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    check out what the Senegalia is standardized for...some REALLY powerful Phenethylamine isomers and of course Methylsynephrine. This thing kicks in very very fast, and has no crash thanks to the crazy long half life of MS.

    Rest of the amazing formula has not changed whatsoever.
    MS as in abbreviation of Mesomorph? Or is it one of its components?

    I LOVE how long Meso lasts in my body !
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    Originally Posted by diogonigri View Post
    MS as in abbreviation of Mesomorph? Or is it one of its components?

    I LOVE how long Meso lasts in my body !
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    methylsynephrine
    Ooooo another amphetamine, ya? Is this one naturally occurring? lol

    Anyhoo, color me intrigued.

    Edit: this one's gonna have WADA folks pissing red, no?
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    methylsynephrine
    I always thought the long lasting life was of the DMAA. The reason for why stim-dick would last for hours even
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Ooooo another amphetamine, ya? Is this one naturally occurring? lol

    Anyhoo, color me intrigued.
    no its not an amphetamine, even the phenethylamines don't really "count" as amphetamines as they don't have alpha rings
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    no its not an amphetamine, even the phenethylamines don't really "count" as amphetamines as they don't have alpha rings
    I'm no chemist, I wouldn't know, but I read that methylsynephrine is an amphetamine. Also reading a lot about the FDA sending out warnings about it....not trying to pull a KDD move (had to KDD, sorry) but why with all the FDA **** Hi-Tech is going through are you guys going with another ingredient on their radar?

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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    I'm no chemist, I wouldn't know, but I read that methylsynephrine is an amphetamine. Also reading a lot about the FDA sending out warnings about it....not trying to pull a KDD move (had to KDD, sorry) but why with all the FDA **** Hi-Tech is going through are you guys going with another ingredient on their radar?

    Maybe I'm way out to left field on this...
    I don't formulate for HTP or APS, so you'd have to ask Jared himself in regards to ingredient choices.



    it acts similarly to an amphetamine in some instances and may even be able to be classified as in an amphetamine class, however that's as far as it gets.
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    I'm no chemist, I wouldn't know, but I read that methylsynephrine is an amphetamine. Also reading a lot about the FDA sending out warnings about it....not trying to pull a KDD move (had to KDD, sorry) but why with all the FDA **** Hi-Tech is going through are you guys going with another ingredient on their radar?

    Maybe I'm way out to left field on this...
    At worse, they get warning letters for using the ingredient. I think that they are pretty safe to use it because the repercussions for using it is not heavy. They also have to do something to make some money though, they got hit by a 40 million dollar fine, and the 18 count criminal charges pretty much wiped them out on grey market products.
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    At worse, they get warning letters for using the ingredient. I think that they are pretty safe to use it because the repercussions for using it is not heavy. They also have to do something to make some money though, they got hit by a 40 million dollar fine, and the 18 count criminal charges pretty much wiped them out on grey market products.
    Was waiting for you to chime in. Awesome if they're safe with it. Have read some interesting feedback online.

    It is on the WADA list though, so anyone competing might want to steer clear. Also would depend on how quickly it leaves the system though.
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    Edit: this one's gonna have WADA folks pissing red, no?
    WADA didn't allow DMAA either, so it's not really a change there, many of the "fun" preworkouts will still be limited to the untested feds. Honestly, WADA is so strict that I hesitate to recommend WADA tested athletes anything more than just caffeine anyway. Well, that and to check the list itself, but there's so many instances of "and other substances with similar structure and effects" that they're probably better off just drinking coffee or a Monster than risking it with anything else.
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    WADA didn't allow DMAA either, so it's not really a change there, many of the "fun" preworkouts will still be limited to the untested feds. Honestly, WADA is so strict that I hesitate to recommend WADA tested athletes anything more than just caffeine anyway. Well, that and to check the list itself, but there's so many instances of "and other substances with similar structure and effects" that they're probably better off just drinking coffee or a Monster than risking it with anything else.
    I do the same. If you're being tested by WADA, you should stick to coffee and little else.
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    Originally Posted by VO2Maxima View Post
    WADA didn't allow DMAA either, so it's not really a change there, many of the "fun" preworkouts will still be limited to the untested feds. Honestly, WADA is so strict that I hesitate to recommend WADA tested athletes anything more than just caffeine anyway. Well, that and to check the list itself, but there's so many instances of "and other substances with similar structure and effects" that they're probably better off just drinking coffee or a Monster than risking it with anything else.
    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I do the same. If you're being tested by WADA, you should stick to coffee and little else.
    Makes sense. Geez, not looking forward to that....I like my exotics. Will have to look into how quickly these substances leave the system.
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    Was waiting for you to chime in. Awesome if they're safe with it. Have read some interesting feedback online.

    It is on the WADA list though, so anyone competing might want to steer clear. Also would depend on how quickly it leaves the system though.
    WADA also has a level caffeine intake before event limit as well. They have a bunch of stuff on there but they are not always necessarily tied to things being compliant or not with DSHEA. Good thing about DSHEA however is that if you use non-compliant stuff, as long as it's not a controlled substance (which would basically be mainly DASCA 2014 as far as we are concerned, and it becomes a DEA issue) all you really end up with are warning letters from the FDA but nothing that really gets you into that much trouble. So let's say that the FDA comes down on HTP using methylsynepherine or what not, it's not like there's going to be much in terms of monetary penalty apart from you losing inventory and there's not going to be criminal charges so, only thing HTP really has to lose with this reformulation is the possibility of having to dump inventory if the FDA gets annoyed enough. Not the end of the world.
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    WADA also has a level caffeine intake before event limit as well. They have a bunch of stuff on there but they are not always necessarily tied to things being compliant or not with DSHEA. Good thing about DSHEA however is that if you use non-compliant stuff, as long as it's not a controlled substance (which would basically be mainly DASCA 2014 as far as we are concerned, and it becomes a DEA issue) all you really end up with are warning letters from the FDA but nothing that really gets you into that much trouble. So let's say that the FDA comes down on HTP using methylsynepherine or what not, it's not like there's going to be much in terms of monetary penalty apart from you losing inventory and there's not going to be criminal charges so, only thing HTP really has to lose with this reformulation is the possibility of having to dump inventory if the FDA gets annoyed enough. Not the end of the world.
    The ingredient seems like a logical replacement in that case.
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    The ingredient seems like a logical replacement in that case.
    Make no mistake though, my money is on the FDA sending HTP a warning letter about it. It's inevitable. They've already made it clear last year that methylsynephrine is non-compliant.
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    Was waiting for you to chime in. Awesome if they're safe with it. Have read some interesting feedback online.

    It is on the WADA list though, so anyone competing might want to steer clear. Also would depend on how quickly it leaves the system though.
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    A quick google search seems to suggest DMAA can be detected for as long as a week after ingestion via piss test.
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    A quick google search seems to suggest DMAA can be detected for as long as a week after ingestion via piss test.
    I wouldn't worry about DMAA, a false positive might appear, but I highly doubt it. If you're worried list all the supplements you're taking
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    Originally Posted by BenBlue View Post
    Makes sense. Geez, not looking forward to that....I like my exotics. Will have to look into how quickly these substances leave the system.
    I would guess most leave your system quickly, but I would be cautious about training with stronger stims than you'll be using on competition day. Most of us like to do that the other way around lol. Obviously any of the exotic stims are fine in untested feds.
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    I wouldn't worry about DMAA, a false positive might appear, but I highly doubt it. If you're worried list all the supplements you're taking
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    I would guess most leave your system quickly, but I would be cautious about training with stronger stims than you'll be using on competition day. Most of us like to do that the other way around lol. Obviously any of the exotic stims are fine in untested feds.
    Cheers, thanks for the feedback guys.

    That's a good point about training w the exotics and relying too heavily on them. Gonna have to rethink my approach, but right now i'm in limbo....hurt my posterior squatting last week, haven't been checked out yet but hoping to bounce back quickly.
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    I'm definitely intrigued as well. I've been hearing (Vaughn and some others) talk a lot about this recently and it sounds very exciting.

    I honestly don't compete anymore. And I really don't plan on competing again (but that can always change ... depending if my son really wants me to or not) but in the meantime I can check out these exotic stims and I love that. See how they work, see how I feel, etc. and decide from there.





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