Hi!
I'm doing OHP, but I'm thinking to add the behind the head version of it IF it helps my OHP.
Does it have a carryover to OHP, or it's almost a different exercise? What's the ratio between the two?
How should I progrem them in my workout? Same day? Change them in every session?
Share your experiance with use!
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10-17-2017, 11:15 AM #1Registered User
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Overhead Press and Behind Neck Press ratio, carryover, anything?
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10-17-2017, 11:30 AM #2Registered User
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Im not sure if it will have any significant carry over.
They are both pressing movements and basically would both have the same weakness where ever your weakness is.
Tricep strength would be important for lockout strength.
Heavy front delt and upper back work would also help getting the bar moving.
It would be the same as if you were trying to get your back squat up with front squat work.
They both roughly work the same muscle but are different in the position your in making them more specific to that movement.
OHP may help some with BNP but not the other way around.
The BNP is stricter and there fore a harder movement where you must stay relatively upright.
With the OHP you can lean back a little and get a better leverage advantage.
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10-17-2017, 11:32 AM #3Bootless Errand
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You'd do well to avoid any "behind the head/neck" exercises. They put your shoulder health at an unreasonable risk, and for no additional benefit over simply performing your exercises in front of your head.Originally Posted by Akos89
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10-17-2017, 03:53 PM #4Kerri Chandler is king
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Would avoid doing the behind the neck press. I did it 4 years ago when I first started training and heavily regret it as I still have shoulder trouble now. No reason to do it whatsoever.
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10-17-2017, 04:45 PM #5Registered User
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Can't behind the neck presses or klokov presses be done safely at low intensity and from a highly set safety bar from a dead stop?
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10-17-2017, 11:01 PM #6Registered User
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Ok, so I should take it as an exercise for different muscle groups.
Is it true that you can go heavier with the behind the neck press?
Yes a read many places that for some people it's bad. I give it a try, but I won't force it.
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10-17-2017, 11:50 PM #7Registered User
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I'd be careful about going heavy. I believe I ****ed my labrium up benching sets of 5's with a stupidly wide grip. Now I'll probably need surgery. I cant imagine putting my shoulder joint in a compromised position again under heavy ass load needlessly.Originally Posted by Akos89
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10-18-2017, 04:40 AM #8Bootless Errand
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huh?Originally Posted by Akos89
Why dick around lifting lighter weight than you can handle when lifted properly?No brain, no gain.
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10-18-2017, 05:29 AM #9Registered User
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I don't mean I would use it with lighter weights. I would try it with normal loads and if it doesn't bugs my shoulder then I would continue.Originally Posted by ironwill2008
I guess I would feel it immediatly if it's bad, not after a long time?
Some guys say that it's absolutly ok for them...
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10-18-2017, 05:32 AM #10Registered User
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You'd have to use lighter weight regardless man
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10-18-2017, 05:46 AM #11Bootless Errand
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Soft tissue injuries can be cumulative in nature. Chronic shoulder joint instability (and all that that implies)--or worse---can be the result.Originally Posted by Akos89
But they're your shoulders; train as you wish. I'm out.Last edited by ironwill2008; 10-18-2017 at 08:05 AM.
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10-18-2017, 09:40 AM #12Work In Progress
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What's ok for others, may not work for you. I never saw (or felt) any real benefit VS OHP when I was doing them regularly, and they never bothered my shoulders either. That said, it felt like it would be much easier to injure myself lifting a moderate/heavy load in a BTNP, so I took the safer route and switched to OHP to continue progressing safely. Also, most people will OHP more than they can BTNP.Originally Posted by Akos89
As mentioned, they are your shoulders, so do them if you want, just be aware of the risks.β β β β β β β β β β β β β β β
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