This year's NFL stats

[Fishman15]

Do we need to put together a fantasy league for this now?

[Squid24]

Maybe..I might play

But I may sit on the bench and see how it plays out first.

Then I will take a knee and think about it.

Then stand up and stretch my arms out with my fingers locked together. Raise them high in the air and make a fist while I YAWN.

Then go to my locker room and write my players names out.

[Fishman15]

Maybe..I might play

But I may sit on the bench and see how it plays out first.

Then I will take a knee and think about it.

Then stand up and stretch my arms out with my fingers locked together. Raise them high in the air and make a fist while I YAWN.

Then go to my locker room and write my players names out.

That's a decent plan but it it's still early...

[shimmychongo]

as soon as the division races heat up in a couple months and the press stops making a big deal out of this we're all gonna be left wondering what they thought was gonna be accomplished, there is no end to justify the means here..

we're all gonna be left wondering where the line between "protesting" and "just being trendy" was

this crap will fall by the wayside just like the wave and the macarena did !

[JediRN]

ffs, just go all the way and replace the Anthem with a flag burning ceremony.

I think of some of my WWII African American veterans who went off and fought in the great war that saved the world, came back to Alabama and real overt racism and they never stopped honoring the flag.

Such a different generation.

[Brackneyc]

ffs, just go all the way and replace the Anthem with a flag burning ceremony.

I’d tune in for that. That would certainly raise the bar.

[Fishman15]

as soon as the division races heat up in a couple months and the press stops making a big deal out of this we're all gonna be left wondering what they thought was gonna be accomplished, there is no end to justify the means here..

we're all gonna be left wondering where the line between "protesting" and "just being trendy" was

this crap will fall by the wayside just like the wave and the macarena did !

Already a report of a big advertiser giving the NFL a big middle finger now. That will get those owners back in the press box instead of the sidelines at least...

[ElrondHubbard]

ffs, just go all the way and replace the Anthem with a flag burning ceremony.

I think of some of my WWII African American veterans who went off and fought in the great war that saved the world, came back to Alabama and real overt racism and they never stopped honoring the flag.

Such a different generation.

This is not a protest against the flag. You've been listening to the dupers. It's a protest against racial injustice, which a non-trivial number of players have been subjected to at one time or another.

BTW, Trump is very proud of NASCAR for refusing to allow kneeling during the anthem. But of course, they only have one single black driver.

[JediRN]

This is not a protest against the flag. You've been listening to the dupers. It's a protest against racial injustice, which a non-trivial number of players have been subjected to at one time or another.

BTW, Trump is very proud of NASCAR for refusing to allow kneeling during the anthem. But of course, they only have one single black driver.

The flag (to me) not only symbolizes who we are and who were were, but most importantly who we aspire to be. I understand that they don't see it that way, nor do I say they are disrespecting America.. but that's how I feel.

Just like I say to the #MAGA crowd. America IS Great. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. I feel the same way towards the protesters.

In this country, there are many things that divide us, but I believe much more that unites us, including our love for freedom and equality. The symbol for that IS the flag. Allegiance to the flag is a bond that is behind only allegiance to gawd (for those that believe) and Family. It's not something that is fair weather.

I think the means of the protest is misguided and totally inconsistent with the principle of "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

I believe that systemic racism is real. But in all things, there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I simply think that protesting the flag is wrong. I support their right, but I don't support the practice if that makes sense.

On balance though, it's not a big issue to me. I'm still gonna watch NFL. The game is the game, and that's wha I care about most in all of this.

[Mark1T]

If the majority of the NFL were white players, Trump’s response would have been the exact same. So would mine and most everyone who disagrees with the kneeling.

But, I agree they have a right to kneel. I just think their message gets lost since the playing field isn’t the best way to voice whatever they are doing.

[7Seconds]

If the majority of the NFL were white players, Trump’s response would have been the exact same. So would mine and most everyone who disagrees with the kneeling.

But, I agree they have a right to kneel. I just think their message gets lost since the playing field isn’t the best way to voice whatever they are doing.

Well, what are the alternatives? Most protests about divisive issues will either lead to outrage or be ignored. From the perspective of the players, there are real issues with America that people try and not think about. So, in their heads, the action must be provocative and in public view in order for people to have to think about it.

[Mark1T]

Well, what are the alternatives? Most protests about divisive issues will either lead to outrage or be ignored. From the perspective of the players, there are real issues with America that people try and not think about. So, in their heads, the action must be provocative and in public view in order for people to have to think about it.

Do you think the NFL forum is the most appropriate way and the only way to get their points across? From the perspectives of the players, it is a perfect example of race-baiting and massive Group Think. Not to mention, it has and will negatively affect the NFL's revenue.

The players could organize their own press conferences or have a live ******** conference, or do something on their own time instead of the NFL's time, etc, etc...

[7Seconds]

Do you think the NFL forum is the most appropriate way and the only way to get their points across?

If their concern is discriminatory policing in the black community I think it's an appropriate and effective forum for protest because part of communicating a message is forcing people to confront it's importance. Many of the people upset by the NFL protests appear to be happy maintaining the status quo of policing. Targeting sectors of society that are important to people and have participation of black people (like professional sports) seems to be a pretty smart way to go.

The players could organize their own press conferences or have a live ******** conference, or do something on their own time instead of the NFL's time, etc, etc...

Many players have spoken out through interviews, opinion pieces, social media etc., much of that as a result of (and would not have had had they not) kneeling/being absent during the National Anthem. You really need to get attention before you can get a platform and this has given them a much bigger platform.

[Mark1T]

If their concern is discriminatory policing in the black community I think it's an appropriate and effective forum for protest because part of communicating a message is forcing people to confront it's importance. Many of the people upset by the NFL protests appear to be happy maintaining the status quo of policing. Targeting sectors of society that are important to people and have participation of black people (like professional sports) seems to be a pretty smart way to go.



Many players have spoken out through interviews, opinion pieces, social media etc. as a result of (and would not have had had they not) kneeling/being absent during the National Anthem. You really need to get attention before you can get a platform and this has given them a much bigger platform.

I respect your point of view, but a lot of people who watch football disagree and they are stating so with their pocketbooks.

Discriminatory policing in the black community is a worthy discussion, but it is not why people turn on football.

[Guinea-pig]

I believe if they had to kneel for hours on concrete with no knee padding those stats would change drastically....

[JediRN]

I respect your point of view, but a lot of people who watch football disagree and they are stating so with their pocketbooks.

Discriminatory policing in the black community is a worthy discussion, but it is not why people turn on football.

^This

WTF!?!? MarkIT and myself agree? What is this internet coming too?

[mtpockets]

You can't showboat or twerk in the end zone after a play, there's a rule about that and a hefty fine. But it's ok to disrespect the anthem and flag.
The NFL needs some fine tuning.

[Mark1T]

^This

WTF!?!? MarkIT and myself agree? What is this internet coming too?

Wat?

[x-trainer ben]

Do you think the NFL forum is the most appropriate way and the only way to get their points across? From the perspectives of the players, it is a perfect example of race-baiting and massive Group Think. Not to mention, it has and will negatively affect the NFL's revenue.

The players could organize their own press conferences or have a live ******** conference, or do something on their own time instead of the NFL's time, etc, etc...

Yes they could do that but then you and me would not be talking about it now. Hey Mark did you see that ******** interview with Joe Blow from the Seahawks? No me either.

[7Seconds]

I respect your point of view, but a lot of people who watch football disagree and they are stating so with their pocketbooks.

Discriminatory policing in the black community is a worthy discussion, but it is not why people turn on football.

As always enjoyed the conversation and while I am not trying to debate right or wrong just make an overall point that this form of protest is highly relevant and very much within the bounds of what the NFL players are capable of. These players are likely some of the only black public figures and role models that many in the "Blue Lives / All Lives Matter" camps have in their media diet which can possibly make these protests all the more impactful.

[MrNismo]

The flag (to me) not only symbolizes who we are and who were were, but most importantly who we aspire to be. I understand that they don't see it that way, nor do I say they are disrespecting America.. but that's how I feel.

Just like I say to the #MAGA crowd. America IS Great. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. I feel the same way towards the protesters.

In this country, there are many things that divide us, but I believe much more that unites us, including our love for freedom and equality. The symbol for that IS the flag. Allegiance to the flag is a bond that is behind only allegiance to gawd (for those that believe) and Family. It's not something that is fair weather.

I think the means of the protest is misguided and totally inconsistent with the principle of "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

I believe that systemic racism is real. But in all things, there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I simply think that protesting the flag is wrong. I support their right, but I don't support the practice if that makes sense.

On balance though, it's not a big issue to me. I'm still gonna watch NFL. The game is the game, and that's wha I care about most in all of this.

Well put!

[7Seconds]

^This

WTF!?!? MarkIT and myself agree? What is this internet coming too?

The internet can be a beautiful thing, although it makes for more entertaining reading when Mark calls you a jackass.

[Mark1T]

Yes they could do that but then you and me would not be talking about it now. Hey Mark did you see that ******** interview with Joe Blow from the Seahawks? No me either.

As always enjoyed the conversation and while I am not trying to debate right or wrong just make an overall point that this form of protest is highly relevant and very much within the bounds of what the NFL players are capable of. These players are likely some of the only black public figures and role models that many in the "Blue Lives / All Lives Matter" camps have in their media diet which can possibly make these protests all the more impactful.

Noted and thanks.

Well put!

Agreed.

The internet can be a beautiful thing, although it makes for more entertaining reading when Mark calls you a jackass.

I have softened a good bit. Jedi is no jackass

[Squid24]

I am going to start a protest for the Oppressed Short people. Short people crew

We've been picked on and bullied all our lives, some have even committed suicide because of their treatment.

Or the Oppressed Ugly people. Same as above.

Look no color involved here. Pretty sure Good looking tall people of color treated short and ugly people with the ut-most respect.... lol

[JediRN]

The internet can be a beautiful thing, although it makes for more entertaining reading when Mark calls you a jackass.

Agreed

I have softened a good bit. Jedi is no jackass

Cot Darnit. Now I'm never going to get any interweb cred

[Mark1T]

Don't worry everybody. OJ is out of prison and he is ready to help improve the NFL's image.

If you don't believe me, ask the parole officers that most of the NFL players have. They know.

[7Seconds]

PapaBurgandy is barely over 5 feet tall

I have never seen him in this section, I am sure he would love to hear from you in the MFC thread.