Immigration Compromise

[Retoaded]

A required path to citizenship for all illegals here now provided they have no felonies, have a job, and they are assessed back taxes and pay them. Then a 3-5 year good behavior period. You follow that path or you are deported. You commit a felony during the good behavior period then you are deported. You try to avoid the program to not have to pay taxes, and are caught, you are deported.

We get serious about border security and stopping new illegals.

We increase the number of immigrants we let in legally, but we only let them in legally. Any immigrant who plans to be here more than 5 years must also get on the path to citizenship.

All of this makes Mexico happy, so in return they agree that if we have to deport someone more than 3 times, the next time they meet us at the border and take that person and jail them.



Anyway something along those lines. I am sure there are problems there, but doesn't that make sense for a basic framework?

[Cleveland33]

I don't see why we need any compromise.

The "Dreamers" are currently have amnesty - I don't understand why they aren't filling out paperwork for citizenship rather than complain and protest.

The process does take longer than than their amnesty but I would think that showing an effort to follow the process would go a long way after DACA is repealed.

[QuitYourCrying]

A required path to citizenship for all illegals here now provided they have no felonies, have a job, and they are assessed back taxes and pay them.

We increase the number of immigrants we let in legally, but we only let them in legally.

Are you phucking insane?

How is that a "compromise". Even the most radical left-wing politicians aren't asking for even half of what you are proposing. Blanket amnesty to over 15 million illegals? LOL. LOL. LOL. Even more legal immigrants? You are crazy.

[RIKTER]

A required path to citizenship for all illegals here now provided they have no felonies, have a job, and they are assessed back taxes and pay them. Then a 3-5 year good behavior period. You follow that path or you are deported. You commit a felony during the good behavior period then you are deported. You try to avoid the program to not have to pay taxes, and are caught, you are deported.

We get serious about border security and stopping new illegals.

We increase the number of immigrants we let in legally, but we only let them in legally. Any immigrant who plans to be here more than 5 years must also get on the path to citizenship.

All of this makes Mexico happy, so in return they agree that if we have to deport someone more than 3 times, the next time they meet us at the border and take that person and jail them.



Anyway something along those lines. I am sure there are problems there, but doesn't that make sense for a basic framework?

Those two things alone end American sovereignty as it replaces the only demographic that votes to preserve it. Simple math makes that fact non debatable.

[TaeBoNinja]

A required path to citizenship for all illegals here now provided they have no felonies, have a job, and they are assessed back taxes and pay them. Then a 3-5 year good behavior period. You follow that path or you are deported. You commit a felony during the good behavior period then you are deported. You try to avoid the program to not have to pay taxes, and are caught, you are deported.

We get serious about border security and stopping new illegals.

We increase the number of immigrants we let in legally, but we only let them in legally. Any immigrant who plans to be here more than 5 years must also get on the path to citizenship.

All of this makes Mexico happy, so in return they agree that if we have to deport someone more than 3 times, the next time they meet us at the border and take that person and jail them.



Anyway something along those lines. I am sure there are problems there, but doesn't that make sense for a basic framework?

Where's the compromise??? The whole back taxes thing is useless since illegals are overwhelmingly dirt poor, and their cost comes from services/resources used. And ambiguous border security is also useless, and could easily be scrapped by a future administration. The 1986 amnesty bill was essentially this, without the penalties...and they still didn't bother to put in border security.

Using DACA(only 800k) without chain migration to get a wall would be the compromise I would pick.

[JoshSP1985]

Where's the compromise??? The whole back taxes thing is useless since illegals are overwhelmingly dirt poor, and their cost comes from services/resources used. And ambiguous border security is also useless, and could easily be scrapped by a future administration. The 1986 amnesty bill was essentially this, without the penalties...and they still didn't bother to put in border security.

Using DACA(only 800k) without chain migration to get a wall would be the compromise I would pick.

Also how would you even calculate back taxes owed, you would need to do a full financial audit and that wouldn't even really show anything as they don't keep their money in banks and are paid under the table.

[Retoaded]

Where's the compromise??? The whole back taxes thing is useless since illegals are overwhelmingly dirt poor, and their cost comes from services/resources used. And ambiguous border security is also useless, and could easily be scrapped by a future administration. The 1986 amnesty bill was essentially this, without the penalties...and they still didn't bother to put in border security.

Using DACA(only 800k) without chain migration to get a wall would be the compromise I would pick.

yeah its basically the Reagan bill except with actually stopping future illegal immigration. they are here already. this sorts the good from the bad and kicks the bad out permanently.

the back taxes isn't going to get any income tax, its going to get 15.3% payroll tax, which pays for medicaid.

[jquin]

There should be no compromise. A compromise would reward illegal behavior

[Retoaded]

Also how would you even calculate back taxes owed, you would need to do a full financial audit and that wouldn't even really show anything as they don't keep their money in banks and are paid under the table.

at the very least you charge them payroll taxes on minimum wage for the time they have been here. Someone who has been here 5 years, that is $11,000 or so believe it or not. for 10 million people that is 110 billion dollars. that will build a wall.

[Retoaded]

There should be no compromise. A compromise would reward illegal behavior

this attitude is why nothing gets done in Washington.

[bassline8]

lmao

"11 million illegals get to stay and vote (for democrats, of course) and we get to actually enforce our laws. Compromise!"

good one m8

[ODBM]

I don't see why we need any compromise.

This. In any sane country, invaders are shot.

[IronRooster2]

This... is way more generous than the plan that's been repeatably proposed by congress. Which requires more than ten years residency and imposes a fine of somewhere in the neighborhood of between $4,000 to $10,000 per person iirc.

It hasn't been passed because frankly, the GOP base supports the "catch and release" policy, while the GOP elite supports having less people vote against them in elections.

Personally I think anyone who can survive the death march through the Arizona desert is more than deserving of consideration of citizenship, much moreso then the richers who cruise up in here on a fancy plane and stay (which is the #1 method of unlawful entry. Turns out most people aren't suicidal - who'd have thought?). It would be great if they had incentives to learn english and come out in public, instead of having to live in the dark. Where they let themselves get sick and die or raped because they don't want to get imprisoned for years, and then deported and chopped up by the cartels or whatever.

Even if you're a genocidal sociopath, it's still a matter of public health. I don't wanna contract tuberculosis and die because a poor person coughed on me in the Wal-Mart. I don't think any sane person would.

[RIKTER]

Also how would you even calculate back taxes owed, you would need to do a full financial audit and that wouldn't even really show anything as they don't keep their money in banks and are paid under the table.

The paying back taxes argument is a false leftist talking point and echoed by "right" leaning news like Fox, etc. Low/no wage earners get much more in benefits than they pay in taxes. Estimates for simply giving amnesty to DAPA (differed action for parents of America) thats next after DACA and would cost America 1.3 trillion..which means by govt math, you can double it.

"Rector told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last week that the lifetime costs of Social Security and Medicare benefits paid to the millions of illegal aliens to whom Obama is granting legal status will be about 1.3 trillion dollars. Rector’s calculation is based on his assumption that at least 3.97 million illegal aliens will receive legal status under DAPA (Deferred Action for Parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents), and the average DAPA beneficiary has only a 10th grade education.

"DAPA recipients, according to Rector’s calculations, would receive $7.8 billion every year once they get access to the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the refundable Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC). Those EITC and ACTC recipients will also be allowed to claim credit for three years of illegal work, which would sock the U.S. taxpayers for another $23.5 billion."

[N0rds]

We need to adopt Canadian style immigration.

[JoshSP1985]

We need to adopt Canadian style immigration.

That's racist, don't tell Canadians that though

[Retoaded]

This... is way more generous than the plan that's been repeatably proposed by congress. Which requires more than ten years residency and imposes a fine of somewhere in the neighborhood of between $4,000 to $10,000 per person iirc.

that works too. 10 years may make more sense. but the point is the people are already here sapping off of society. you people that say "no compromise on illegal behavior"...right now you get nothing, you have nothing, they are already here.

so you draw a line and say "no more", then you collect fines or taxes from those that are here, you require good behavior and employment, so you separate the good from bad and the bad are gone permanently.

[Noliberals4]

LOL!

First of all, none of the illegals will pay back taxes. It's not even possible and even if it were they wouldn't pay them.

Second of all, like 70% of illegals use fake or stolen SSNs. They're almost all criminals even ignoring the border crossing.

Third of all, it won't be 11 million - it'll be more like 20-30 million. Reagan in 1986 said he'd only amnesty 1 million but ended up amnestying 3 million.

Fourth of all, about 80% of the illegals given amnesty will vote Democrat. Texas will turn blue instantly. Using the 1986 example again, it turned California from a red state (as red as Texas is now) to the bluest state in the Union.

Fifth of all, the wall won't be built if amnesty happens. Once again, in 1986 they promised a wall/border security/employee crackdowns but followed through with none of it.

Sixth of all, it will just INCREASE illegal immigration.

Seventh of all, even if the wall is built, giving 20 million illegals amnesty and building the wall is like using condoms or clean needles AFTER you get AIDS. Yeah, who cares now? You still have AIDS - should've used clean needles or condoms BEFORE.

Eighth of all, LOL.

Ninth of all, Trump promised no amnesty.

Tenth of all, how about no? It's an insult to people who try to come here legally.

Eleventh of all, misdemeanors should be included as well. DUIs are mostly misdemeanors and any illegal with a DUI should be immediately catapulted across the border.

[Retoaded]

^^OK we will continue along like we have been then, which is working so well.

[Noliberals4]

^^OK we will continue along like we have been then, which is working so well.

Trump should just start the mass deportations - doesn't need Congress to do it. If Congress won't build the wall, then tell them they can reinstate some of DACA in exchanged for the wall.

If amnesty is given, America will die. That is not an exaggeration - an amnesty is the end of America.

[Metz00]

A lot of illegals are already embedded in the economy. If all 8 million are deported, a lot of businesses will collapse and the housing market will plunge, meaning US citizen's investments in property will be at a loss. Wages will go up due to supply and demand of labor but that means more people will purchase foreign made goods.

There is no perfect answer to a problem that has been building up over decades.

A pragmatic decision would be to close the door behind the illegals who are already inside. Expedite citizenship to those who have proved their value to society by being productive and deport people with criminal records and consistent long-term unemployment. Missed taxes should be paid up in a sound and reasonable installment plan. Those who are in the middle ground would be given a year to get their act together, similar to a sort of probation system.

Another option would be to have tier-level citizenship. Along with the tiers come different tax rates (based on income bracket) and benefits. In other words, illegal immigrants should in no way be entitled to recieve benefits such as scholarships and public healthcare that are meant for tax paying citizens. From a humanitarian perspective, any medical attention required for illegal immigrants could be handled pro bono by medical students though.

[RIKTER]

^^OK we will continue along like we have been then, which is working so well.

Thanks for this thread and forcing me to rep nolibs!!1!!1

[JoshSP1985]

Trump should just start the mass deportations - doesn't need Congress to do it. If Congress won't build the wall, then tell them they can reinstate some of DACA in exchanged for the wall.

If amnesty is given, America will die. That is not an exaggeration - an amnesty is the end of America.

This we may already be over the point of no return Trump needs to go hard line on this start being hardcore about deportations and pass and EO punishing employers for hiring illegals which hopefully will cause self deportation due to lack of work.

[Noliberals4]

A pragmatic decision would be to close the door behind the illegals who are already inside. Expedite citizenship to those who have proved their value to society by being productive and deport people with criminal records and consistent long-term unemployment. Missed taxes should be paid up in a sound and reasonable installment plan. Those who are in the middle ground would be given a year to get their act together, similar to a sort of probation system.

If you believe any of this would happen after an amnesty is given I have ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to sell you.

[JoshSP1985]

A lot of illegals are already embedded in the economy. If all 8 million are deported, a lot of businesses will collapse and the housing market will plunge, meaning US citizen's investments in property will be at a loss. Wages will go up due to supply and demand of labor but that means more people will purchase foreign made goods.

There is no perfect answer to a problem that has been building up over decades.

A pragmatic decision would be to close the door behind the illegals who are already inside. Expedite citizenship to those who have proved their value to society by being productive and deport people with criminal records and consistent long-term unemployment. Missed taxes should be paid up in a sound and reasonable installment plan. Those who are in the middle ground would be given a year to get their act together, similar to a sort of probation system.

Another option would be to have tier-level citizenship. Along with the tiers come different tax rates (based on income bracket) and benefits. In other words, illegal immigrants should in no way be entitled to recieve benefits such as scholarships and public healthcare that are meant for tax paying citizens. From a humanitarian perspective, any medical attention required for illegal immigrants could be handled pro bono by medical students though.

You can't close the door because out automatically turn the country blue again even though both amnesties were based under republican presidents and the new blue majority will just open the doors again.

[Noliberals4]

You can't close the door because out automatically turn the country blue again even though both amnesties were based under republican presidents and the new blue majority will just open the doors again.

If an amnesty is given, Texas is permanently blue.

These idiot "Republicans" don't get that. The Democrats won't keep their end of any so-called "compromise" - there will never be a wall, no mandatory E-Verify, etc. etc.

[JoshSP1985]

If an amnesty is given, Texas is permanently blue.

These idiot "Republicans" don't get that. The Democrats won't keep their end of any so-called "compromise" - there will never be a wall, no mandatory E-Verify, etc. etc.

Exactly, you can't compromise with the left as it's always a win for them and a loss for you. There is no such thing as compromise.

[Metz00]

You can't close the door because out automatically turn the country blue again even though both amnesties were based under republican presidents and the new blue majority will just open the doors again.

This is one of the problems with the bipartisan system. It has become a zero-sum game.

[Noliberals4]

This we may already be over the point of no return Trump needs to go hard line on this start being hardcore about deportations and pass and EO punishing employers for hiring illegals which hopefully will cause self deportation due to lack of work.

Hell, we were at the point of no return in the 80s and Reagan screwed us over. However, if that amnesty bill was actually followed through with (LOL!) then it may have solved 90% of the problem and it wouldn't be so bad today.

And going after employers is perfect. Here are a few examples of Sheriff Joe raiding establishments for illegals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34U07CxVm0 - a restaurant raid, notice how many Americans apply for the job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnUOokUdwD0 - a paper mill, notice how many Americas apply for those jobs. About 40 illegals arrested (most using fake/stolen SSNs). Paper mills pay like $20/hr too



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T22Vh***bsc&t=38s - car wash raid

etc. etc.

[Noliberals4]

This is one of the problems with the bipartisan system. It has become a zero-sum game.

America can't have more than 2 parties because of the Electoral College.