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    Originally Posted by QuitYourCrying View Post
    Are you phucking insane?

    How is that a "compromise". Even the most radical left-wing politicians aren't asking for even half of what you are proposing. Blanket amnesty to over 15 million illegals? LOL. LOL. LOL. Even more legal immigrants? You are crazy.

    He is another naive voter who is trying to show his diversity and reason, while being oblivious to the fact that he's aiding and abetting in the permanent decline of our country and culture.
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    No. SSN fraud is being cracked down on. Soon every illegal will have no way of getting benefits or working 'legally'.

    All illegals will live in fear under being deported and will slowly go bankrupt. There is no accepting those who came here illegally to suck off of our system.
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    By compromise, you mean pull a Reagan, only this time you're going to destroy the country instead of just California.

    Here is the only sensible immigration policy:

    Deport all illegals including the "dreamers"
    Build a gigantic wall
    Mandatory e-verify
    Severely punish businesses that insist on hiring and hiding illegals as well as those organizations working to aid and abet illegal immigrants
    End chain migration
    Restrict legal migration to something like 300k, based only on achievement
    End dual citizenship
    Institute a strict vetting process so that anyone who wants to immigrate and gain citizenship must a) learn America's history b) appreciate America's founding principles c) be willing to die for its principles
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    Originally Posted by Nihiliste View Post
    By compromise, you mean pull a Reagan, only this time you're going to destroy the country instead of just California.

    Here is the only sensible immigration policy:

    Deport all illegals including the "dreamers"
    Build a gigantic wall
    Mandatory e-verify
    Severely punish businesses that insist on hiring and hiding illegals as well as those organizations working to aid and abet illegal immigrants
    End chain migration
    Restrict legal migration to something like 300k, based only on achievement
    End dual citizenship
    Institute a strict vetting process so that anyone who wants to immigrate and gain citizenship must a) learn America's history b) appreciate America's founding principles c) be willing to die for its principles
    I would restrict legal immigration significantly more (maybe 1-10K a year, and begin encouraging smart and successful people in America to have more babies). I would also end anchor babies. Those aside, I absolutely LOVE this immigration policy.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    America can't have more than 2 parties because of the Electoral College.
    It could be dissolved with the creation of a multiparty system.
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    Originally Posted by Nihiliste View Post
    By compromise, you mean pull a Reagan, only this time you're going to destroy the country instead of just California.

    Here is the only sensible immigration policy:

    Deport all illegals including the "dreamers"
    Build a gigantic wall
    Mandatory e-verify
    Severely punish businesses that insist on hiring and hiding illegals as well as those organizations working to aid and abet illegal immigrants
    End chain migration
    Restrict legal migration to something like 300k, based only on achievement
    End dual citizenship
    Institute a strict vetting process so that anyone who wants to immigrate and gain citizenship must a) learn America's history b) appreciate America's founding principles c) be willing to die for its principles
    Solid list but a must have is ending anchor baby status. 10% of all births in America are from illegal immigrants(lol@11 million)..so by that decades outdate number, that % is on the low side.
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    We don't need any compromise on immigration. Our immigration policies are perfectly fine

    If you entered the country in any other way, you should be immediately deported and shot should you attempt to reenter
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    We don't need any compromise on immigration. Our immigration policies are perfectly fine

    If you entered the country in any other way, you should be immediately deported and shot should you attempt to reenter

    That would tarnish the image of the US as the supposed guardian of human rights. It would weaken US soft power considerably. It probably would also be breaking International Human Rights Laws.
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    Originally Posted by Metz00 View Post
    That would tarnish the image of the US as the supposed guardian of human rights. It would weaken US soft power considerably. It probably would also be breaking International Human Rights Laws.
    I was being totally serious bro
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    Originally Posted by RIKTER View Post
    Solid list but a must have is ending anchor baby status. 10% of all births in America are from illegal immigrants(lol@11 million)..so by that decades outdate number, that % is on the low side.
    Good point, and that anchor baby status needs to be revoked retroactively
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    Originally Posted by Nihiliste View Post
    By compromise, you mean pull a Reagan, only this time you're going to destroy the country instead of just California.

    Here is the only sensible immigration policy:

    Deport all illegals including the "dreamers"
    Build a gigantic wall
    Mandatory e-verify
    Severely punish businesses that insist on hiring and hiding illegals as well as those organizations working to aid and abet illegal immigrants
    End chain migration
    Restrict legal migration to something like 300k, based only on achievement
    End dual citizenship
    Institute a strict vetting process so that anyone who wants to immigrate and gain citizenship must a) learn America's history b) appreciate America's founding principles c) be willing to die for its principles
    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    We don't need any compromise on immigration. Our immigration policies are perfectly fine

    If you entered the country in any other way, you should be immediately deported and shot should you attempt to reenter
    If I was emperor this is basically what I would do. But its not realistic.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    If I was emperor this is basically what I would do. But its not realistic.
    The thing is you said "immigration compromise."

    Nothing in your OP has anything to do with "compromising" - you're giving the Democrats everything + the kitchen sink and not asking for anything in return. u no wut compromise means rite?
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    The thing is you said "immigration compromise."

    Nothing in your OP has anything to do with "compromising" - you're giving the Democrats everything + the kitchen sink and not asking for anything in return. u no wut compromise means rite?
    What you ask for in return is complete immigration overhaul from this point moving forward as stated in the OP. No more illegals, border security, etc. You give the ones here already a path to citizenship that weeds out people who won't assimilate.

    I do agree with the points made earlier though that the democrats would likely stab you in the back.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    If I was emperor this is basically what I would do. But its not realistic.
    It is realistic. The #1 thing you need to do when dealing with the left is never compromise, never cuck. That's what they've been doing for 50 years and the right just keeps drifting in their direction. Conservatives have basically conducted the worst negotiation imaginable by constantly blinking before their opponent.
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    their is no compromise. this isnt like a 13 year old who stole a candy bar and you let him say sorry instead of arresting him...

    you arrest and deport ALL illegal immigrants and anchor babies. borders are the most important things a country can have.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    What you ask for in return is complete immigration overhaul from this point moving forward as stated in the OP. No more illegals, border security, etc. You give the ones here already a path to citizenship that weeds out people who won't assimilate.

    I do agree with the points made earlier though that the democrats would likely stab you in the back.
    After you've made your compromise, the entire map turns irreversibly blue and there's no reason for the left to ever compromise with you again. You can then say goodbye to everything you hold dear.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    What you ask for in return is complete immigration overhaul from this point moving forward as stated in the OP. No more illegals, border security, etc. You give the ones here already a path to citizenship that weeds out people who won't assimilate.

    I do agree with the points made earlier though that the democrats would likely stab you in the back.
    Likely? It's guaranteed.

    Just lol @ this compromise. Where is the compromise again?
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    The ONLY compromise I would be okay with is not enforcing the 5 year ban on DACA illegals being allowed back in on legitimate visas, so if they are valuable enough to their companies they can get a visa immediately or they can come in on a tourist visa, if they overstay or violate any terms of their tourist visa then they should feel the ban.

    Everyone else also has to go back and they should be barred from re-entering, they knew what the risks when they decided to disregard the law.

    There should absolutely never be a path to citizenship, certainly not a required one.
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    Originally Posted by aranadiscoteca View Post
    The ONLY compromise I would be okay with is not enforcing the 5 year ban on DACA illegals being allowed back in on legitimate visas, so if they are valuable enough to their companies they can get a visa immediately or they can come in on a tourist visa, if they overstay or violate any terms of their tourist visa then they should feel the ban.

    Everyone else also has to go back and they should be barred from re-entering, they knew what the risks when they decided to disregard the law.

    There should absolutely never be a path to citizenship, certainly not a required one.
    One legit compromise would be if they self-deport, then they have a chance to come back here legally one day (not guaranteed, but a chance).

    If we have to deport them then they can NEVER enter the country again - period.

    But I like Retoaded's compromise better - give them everything they want with nothing in return and trust they won't allow more illegals in. That is a true compromise!
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    The thing is you said "immigration compromise."

    Nothing in your OP has anything to do with "compromising" - you're giving the Democrats everything + the kitchen sink and not asking for anything in return. u no wut compromise means rite?
    When did nolibs turn into a good poster?

    Is this a different guy with a similar user name? Or just someone with multiple personalities?
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    If DACA illegals are so valuable, the standard immigration processes will easily handle them

    Where is the debate here?

    Why is there any need for compromise?
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    What you ask for in return is complete immigration overhaul from this point moving forward as stated in the OP. No more illegals, border security, etc. You give the ones here already a path to citizenship that weeds out people who won't assimilate.

    I do agree with the points made earlier though that the democrats would likely stab you in the back.
    Only two demographics are voting for border security, the other being Cuban Americans. The borders only as as secure as the person in charge. ~500K per year were coming thru under Obama. You basically want take an already 50/50 national election and tilt it 60/40 and then expect your world view to prevail as the people who vote/think like you lose massive amounts of electoral power.
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    Originally Posted by RIKTER View Post
    Only two demographics are voting for border security, the other being Cuban Americans. The borders only as as secure as the person in charge. ~500K per year were coming thru under Obama. You basically want take an already 50/50 national election and tilt it 60/40 and then expect your world view to prevail as the people who vote/think like you lose massive amounts of electoral power.
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    How about you do the ****ing paperwork and do it correctly.

    I love the argument of DACA (illegal aliens) people, who have college educations and careers yet are too dumb or lazy to apply for citizenship. Those are not the kind of people I want in my country. Send them all back, strip them of their titles and wages. They are sucking our country dry. Their entire family, gone, deported, never allowed back here, not even to Disney World.
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    Originally Posted by Nihiliste View Post
    It is realistic.
    Everything I've read estimates there to be about 11 million illegals. The cost of deporting a single illegal is 10k. The average stay at a detention facility is 31 days. Most deportations take place after somebody is caught at a point of entry. The highest amount we have deported since 2008 was 410k in 2012. So without dramatically increasing your cost per deportation to solve only the logistical issues you're going to be hard pressed to accomplish this in under 15 years if there was not a single new illegal immigrant during that time. That's without considering the increase in cost per deportation when you have to find them and they don't just come to you. Our workforce includes 8 million illegals. You're losing the taxes that some of them pay and the consumption of the rest. All of that considered, how is just this single point of your plan anywhere close to realistic?
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    Originally Posted by tyqb4 View Post
    Everything I've read estimates there to be about 11 million illegals. The cost of deporting a single illegal is 10k. The average stay at a detention facility is 31 days.
    It's called self-deportation. Institute e-verify and make it impossible for them to find work of any kind while they are in the country illegally. Ramp up immigration raids and make it very public as a sign to illegals that they are not safe anywhere or at any time while in this country illegally. Raid business and imprison anyone hiring illegals with harsh sentences.

    Once they can't get work and understand that they will be under constant threat of deportation, millions of them will self-deport. That was already happening to some extent, it's just that all of the new illegals flooding in were replacing the illegals flooding out.

    If Mexico can afford a vigorous deportation policy, then so can the United States. No country is harsher on illegals than Mexico. They know damn well that they will lose their country if they don't protect their borders.

    The border wall is a military issue, by the way. The country is being invaded from the south. The president doesn't need congress to build a wall. You fund it as a military expenditure. He has complete authority.
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    Originally Posted by HoganIsGOAT View Post
    I would restrict legal immigration significantly more (maybe 1-10K a year, and begin encouraging smart and successful people in America to have more babies). Those aside, I absolutely LOVE this immigration policy.
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    Originally Posted by QuitYourCrying View Post
    It's called self-deportation. Institute e-verify and make it impossible for them to find work of any kind while they are in the country illegally. Ramp up immigration raids and make it very public as a sign to illegals that they are not safe anywhere or at any time while in this country illegally. Raid business and imprison anyone hiring illegals with harsh sentences.

    Once they can't get work and understand that they will be under constant threat of deportation, millions of them will self-deport. That was already happening to some extent, it's just that all of the new illegals flooding in were replacing the illegals flooding out.

    If Mexico can afford a vigorous deportation policy, then so can the United States. No country is harsher on illegals than Mexico. They know damn well that they will lose their country if they don't protect their borders.

    The border wall is a military issue, by the way. The country is being invaded from the south. The president doesn't need congress to build a wall. You fund it as a military expenditure. He has complete authority.
    E-verify is great but it wont be enforced heavily enough to starve illegals out of jobs. If we can't even get Texas to enforce it good luck getting California to do anything. Employers are not going to be punished for hiring illegal immigrants any time soon. A wall is pointless. You don't need it if you have a good system.
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    Originally Posted by tyqb4 View Post
    E-verify is great but it wont be enforced heavily enough to starve illegals out of jobs. If we can't even get Texas to enforce it good luck getting California to do anything. Employers are not going to be punished for hiring illegal immigrants any time soon. A wall is pointless. You don't need it if you have a good system.
    You're right about e-verify, but a wall is definitely not pointless at all. It's been proven effective over and over again. EU countries that built walls had drastic drops in migrations, for example. It's all really cheap at $22 billion comapratively
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