Interesting new study. I still need to read the full text but I thought I'd share it ahead since this topic gets discussed a lot.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/va...tcallback=true
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/va...tcallback=trueBackground/Objectives: The MATADOR (Minimising Adaptive Thermogenesis And Deactivating Obesity Rebound) study examined whether intermittent energy restriction (ER) improved weight loss efficiency compared with continuous ER and, if so, whether intermittent ER attenuated compensatory responses associated with ER.
Subjects/Methods: Fifty-one men with obesity were randomised to 16 weeks of either: (1) continuous (CON), or (2) intermittent (INT) ER completed as 8 × 2-week blocks of ER alternating with 7 × 2-week blocks of energy balance (30 weeks total). Forty-seven participants completed a 4-week baseline phase and commenced the intervention (CON: N=23, 39.4±6.8 years, 111.1±9.1 kg, 34.3±3.0 kg m−2; INT: N=24, 39.8±9.5 years, 110.2±13.8 kg, 34.1±4.0 kg m−2). During ER, energy intake was equivalent to 67% of weight maintenance requirements in both groups. Body weight, fat mass (FM), fat-free mass (FFM) and resting energy expenditure (REE) were measured throughout the study.
Results: For the N=19 CON and N=17 INT who completed the intervention per protocol, weight loss was greater for INT (14.1±5.6 vs 9.1±2.9 kg; P<0.001). INT had greater FM loss (12.3±4.8 vs 8.0±4.2 kg; P<0.01), but FFM loss was similar (INT: 1.8±1.6 vs CON: 1.2±2.5 kg; P=0.4). Mean weight change during the 7 × 2-week INT energy balance blocks was minimal (0.0±0.3 kg). While reduction in absolute REE did not differ between groups (INT: -502±481 vs CON: −624±557 kJ d−1; P=0.5), after adjusting for changes in body composition, it was significantly lower in INT (INT: −360±502 vs CON: −749±498 kJ d−1; P<0.05).
Conclusions: Greater weight and fat loss was achieved with intermittent ER. Interrupting ER with energy balance ‘rest periods’ may reduce compensatory metabolic responses and, in turn, improve weight loss efficiency.
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09-20-2017, 11:26 AM #1
New study suggests intermittent weight loss may be better than continuous weight loss
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09-20-2017, 11:35 AM #2
TFS. That is interesting.
2 weeks off should be more than enough for recovery. Quite a difference in weight loss outcomes though. Skeptical me wonders if the continuous group had more compliance issues and if their intake was adjusted downward in line with any weight loss.INTP Crew
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09-20-2017, 11:53 AM #3
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09-20-2017, 01:28 PM #5
Study subjects were obese.
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09-20-2017, 02:18 PM #8No brain, no gain.
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09-20-2017, 11:15 PM #14
Yes the subjects were obese, that's mentioned right there in the abstract. Does that make the results irrelevant? not necessarily.
This study supports the notion of using planned diet breaks. Whether it works this well in leaner subjects remains the question but given the psychological benefits it's probably a good idea to implement them some way or another. Perhaps 5 days deficit, 2 days maintenance, or 3 weeks deficit, 1 week maintenance.
The difference in Resting Energy Expenditure (after adjusting for changes in body composition) is interesting: (INT: −360±502 vs CON: −749±498 kJ d−1), that's roughly 100 kcal.
"Interrupting ER with energy balance ‘rest periods’ may reduce compensatory metabolic responses and, in turn, improve weight loss efficiency."
PS. the continuous weight loss group may still achieve weight loss faster because the other group took 30 weeks in total.Last edited by Mrpb; 09-21-2017 at 06:50 AM.
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09-21-2017, 06:50 AM #16
Eric Helms comments on this study: "I can't speak from a clinical obesity perspective but since we started instituting diet beaks of 1-2 weeks when stalls occurred and intermittently throughout contest preps, people have been getting leaner in better condition with less physical and mental stress in the process. And for us, while it might make contest prep a little longer, it's really not that much. Maybe an added month all up, which is well worth the pay off."
I haven't looked at it in detail but that may be explained by the greater weight loss. The difference in REE I reported was after adjusting for changes in body composition. I'll add that to my previous post.
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I've played around with different lengths, for me I seem to do best on 9 week stretches. After longer time periods the hormonal impacts and other problems of extended dieting seem to ramp up non-linearly. For refeeds, "diet breaks" or whatever you want to call them I find that 3 weeks are about the best for me. Two weeks I don't really recover enough and four I tend to add too much weight back. That's all anecdotal of course.
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11-20-2017, 05:36 PM #25
I finally got around to reading this study in detail.
Good question: I don't have an answer. 3B implies to me that the INT group had a larger decrease in REE in the first 8 weeks than the CON group, but that goes against pretty much the whole premise of their paper as the INT group lost more weight in the first 8 weeks than the CON group.
Some other aspects that seem a bit odd to me:
- they collected food diaries but didn't use these to assess for dietary compliance
- group allocation accounted for a significant proportion of variance of the REE. I know they couldn't account for dropouts a priori but this is still unfortunate.
- I don't understand the math to a degree. They stated they expected ~400 kJ/d (~100 kcal/d) decrease in adjusted REE with the continuous group and that this would yield a 5kg less weight loss relative to INT over 16 weeks. 100 kcal/d * 16 weeks = ~11,200 kcal; this is only ~1.5kg of fat or so, not close to 5kg
- Lastly, they don't explicitly state (that I see anyway) how they adjust the REE for changes in fat mass and fat free mass. If they simply use their group-derived equations, that may be problematic because they are quite different:
CON: REE = 94*FFM + 36*FM + 1184
INT: REE = 55*FFM = 46*FM + 2821
The verified equation from a different study they also include is: REE = 57*FFM + 40*FM - 14*age + 3626 (for males)
That is a lot more similar to the INT equation than the CON equation.
I see this as a potentially significant issue, because for the CON group FFM plays a much bigger role in REE while FM plays a smaller role in REE, but biologically this doesn't make much sense to me.
None of this changes the actual results they obtained regarding weight loss, it just makes me doubt that adaptive thermogenesis had anything to do with it. I really wish they had analyzed the food diaries for compliance.
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03-30-2018, 11:29 AM #30
bump:
So when coming out of the 2-week cut or any cut for that matter (how deep was the deficit in the matador study, by the way?), should one simply go to maintenance, as in 2850 cals on a cut, and then simply 3250 maintenance the next day and for 2 weeks and so on, or is it better to make up your way to maintenance slowly, upping cals by 150 per week as you get back to maintenance?
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