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09-19-2017, 11:13 PM #61
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09-19-2017, 11:14 PM #62
OP isn't exactly accurate. According to the video/newscaster he did jump in after him he was unsuccessful in finding him. Dude was fat and out of shape and the handcuffed guy, with a body fat that low, likely sank immediately. Even furthermore in open chop, after someone fell out of a boat traveling at that rate of speed, a world class life-guard would have likely struggled to be successful. In 80ft of open water you could have had 100 life-guards all trying and fail. I've seen drowning cases in a pond where you've got 10-15 guys diving down trying to locate/save the person and they were unsuccessful. And this was a pond with no chop and no current. (Murky water).
Not excusing his actions. Obviously the process of putting a vest on a handcuffed prisoner was more about show/what looks good as opposed to actual safety. And obviously he operated the boat with negligence. But its not as simple as he just watched some guy drown and did nothing. With today's political climate he came out smelling like a rose in a court-room with a prosecution team and most likely jury that would have wanted to see him go down for it. And as for him still being a trooper that's highly unlikely. I'm guessing he was convicted of some kind of felony which means he's done in law enforcement.
Simple truth is people either beat murder raps or get a slap on the wrist/reduced charges/sentencing every single day. Nobody really cares except for the immediate family unless the defendant is a police officer or its some kind of high profile media case. There are literally thousands of people walking around that have been convicted of negligent homicide, vehicular homicide, manslaughter, 2nd degree murder, etc. that got a slap on the wrist for it.
His sentencing is nothing but that sort of sentencing for that sort of homicide isn't really uncommon. I know of a few murder cases that were a lot more clear cut outright murder where there was a similar slap on the wrist. Its not 'right' but the justice system isn't perfect.
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09-19-2017, 11:17 PM #63
Michael Brown was the one popped off in my mind but frankly there have been too many tragic incidents to count that were questionable. I've been drinking tonight my bad.
I know very conservative friends and I recall over the past few years people scoffing at the incidents. Even had this former Deputy Sheriff I had encounters with at MMA make some very disparaging racial comments about the hurricane that hit Baton Rouge. The woman was Mexican also.
Anyway I probably rub heads with a lot of liberals now TBH lol but on other issues. I try to stay well informed and I applaud you for telling me I should do a better job.
That doesn't detract from what I said about LEO being held up highly in society and in many situations allowing them to act on their own accords without any punishment.A hit was sent, from the President, to raid your residence /
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09-19-2017, 11:18 PM #64
The average person isn't scared of police, ever been to USA? Forming conclusions based solely on police homicide rates is also ridiculous. BRB police are far more likely to be killed by general populous than in Aus, BRB country of 300+ mill vs country of 25-30 million, BRB different culture with far higher incidence of violent crime.
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09-19-2017, 11:22 PM #65
Lol _sword, that nurse wasn't protecting the suspect from having his blood drawn, she was protecting the victim who was hit by the suspect. What that cop and his supervisor were doing was outright illegal and she followed the protocol that the police and hospital agreed on. The cop was probably trying to place blame on the victim and not becaause the cops chased the suspect.
I'm not 100% on that but I'm almost certain it wasn't the suspects blood they wanted, but the innocent victim that got hit.
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09-19-2017, 11:23 PM #66
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09-19-2017, 11:30 PM #67
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I have. And I found the cops to be very tolerant (and even refused to make arrests after a massive bar brawl we got involved in. The sheriff literally said 'you've all had your fun, now dissappear') however, that doesn't detract from the wave of police brutality and murder videos and cases that are basically a daily occurrence.
And a lot of it only seems to have been exposed since everyone has a camera phone and the cops themselves wear body cams.
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09-19-2017, 11:34 PM #68
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09-20-2017, 12:46 AM #72
You have an increase in scrutiny and people automatically assume the police are in the wrong. The media will generally portray events that show police in a bad light because that's what's interesting. No one wants to hear "Police did their job, shot bad guy with a knife". That happens all the time, but it's a quick 20 second snippet instead of the main event on the nightly news.
Think about when you're watching a football game with a typical girl. She watches the game at face value. It's the image in front of her and nothing more. If she sees a quarterback get sacked on a few plays, she's going to say "wow that guy sucks." But you, the educated football fan, will know that maybe the offensive tackle completely missed a block. Maybe the coverage was amazing and he took a sack instead of trying to force a possible INT. Hell, the girl can even watch the QB take an intentional knee and be like "wow what an idiot!"
It's the same thing when people unfamiliar with policing watch videos of police incidents. I'm not saying this is 100% the case, there are certainly bad cops out there who have no business being in law enforcement. The grand majority of the time though, if you know case law and policies, you'll be able to see why the officer did what he did and why he's not a "bad guy", just like the quarterback isn't necessarily a bad quarterback just because he got sacked."If in my say 80 years on earth I do more help than damage, then I feel complete."
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09-20-2017, 04:41 AM #73
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09-20-2017, 07:10 AM #74
The disturbing thing about American police is their code they have about protecting other police officers. Who cares if it's only "one bad apple" if the entire police force tolerates it and does whatever they can to protect that bad apple.
Most cops are idiots where I'm from so I guess I don't have a very good opinion about them.
I'm still raging about this story lol
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09-20-2017, 07:14 AM #75
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09-20-2017, 07:18 AM #76
This man lived a bad-ass awesome life. I live in the same state and his school is in the same class as mine where that 2011 team won the state title. They stuffed the runner-up team (the same team that whooped our asses in the quarterfinals) on our side of the state because those players relied too much on their defense while their mediocre offense players couldn't score in time to win the game. He was on the homecoming court, football captain & prom king (mirin' date). This whack-ass cop needs to be fired, he couldn't swim so he let the kid die? this won't end well and last time I checked, there was already protests going on in St. Louis.
doesn't really help that this type of code gets mimicked by the other side of the law when a crime gets committed, the victim/bystanders/accomplices won't say anything to incriminate the ones involved, therefore the crime can't get solved and as time goes on, the case becomes unsolvable.
I'm on the fence about the "stop snitching" ideals.Last edited by FunnyWeasel; 09-20-2017 at 07:28 AM.
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09-20-2017, 07:31 AM #77
obviously you should not operate a boat while under the influence, and the proper punishment should be handed out for such an offense.
that being said- that does not, in absolutely ANY way, justify this officer's negligence in causing the death of this kid.Last edited by pontoonboat; 09-20-2017 at 07:40 AM.
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09-20-2017, 07:35 AM #78
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Really disturbing what not only the police officer involved did, but his whole department's conduct around this situation does not look good.
I respect LEOs immensely (my wife is one), but it's hard to 100% disagree with people who don't trust or like police when stuff like this happens on a semi-regular basis
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09-20-2017, 07:37 AM #79
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09-20-2017, 07:48 AM #80
Maybe the officer should have worn that life jacket instead, considering his lard-ass can't swim. Also, wouldn't he have had to wear one while operating the boat? Did he even make an attempt at rescuing him? Really sad outcome considering he gets to choose when to serve his lofty sentence of 10 days in jail.....
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09-20-2017, 07:53 AM #81
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09-20-2017, 08:04 AM #83
Sucks for the kid, but why couldn't he just kick his legs to keep himself afloat? Unless the fall knocked him out or something I could see him sinking. I have kept my self above water many times in a pool with just using my legs and keeping my arms to my side. Cop was an idiot for failing to put the vest on him correctly.
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09-20-2017, 08:11 AM #84
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Yup. People try to make it a cop vs black people issue but it's really a blue vs everyone else issue. A lot of them act like criminals in a gang. I know some good cops are out there but I'd only EVER call them as a last resort. Way too much of a chance of them ****ing with you.
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09-20-2017, 08:11 AM #85
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09-20-2017, 08:28 AM #86
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09-20-2017, 08:31 AM #87
Rear cuffed is always the procedure so that was fine.
That life vest should of been secure and since it wasent is why he is actually doing time in jail. Since it was a accident like other occupations the punishment is not that severe but he is being punished due too his negligence.
He will be lose his civil case but that's always the case but he may not even have to go to court nor will he pay out of his pocket.50% of my posts are 100% factual
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09-20-2017, 08:33 AM #88
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09-20-2017, 08:39 AM #89
The story gives no details. On the surface, it sounds like the LEO screwed up big time and should be sitting in jail. But I see no details and have a hard time believing the LEO made no attempts to help him as you seem to imply with an obvious bias here. Got a link to the actual details of the event? On the surface, it sounds very much like he should have been found guilty of criminal negligence and that sucks.
I very rarely think the feds should be brought in on a case to look at the evidence, but this would be one of those cases where it appears the the punishment did not fit the crime and something does not pass the smell test here.
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09-20-2017, 08:42 AM #90
How do you become a boat cop if you cant swim...seems like that should be one of the minimum requirements...
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