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    Do electricians earn good money? Tradies gtfih

    Now my current degree is pretty much useless. It only allows me careers like receptionist, call center, customer relations etc. They all pay low, have no international validity as a career and you have to deal with stupid people nonstop.

    Electricity business seems like they are always hiring and growing. And I presume most countries will build more nuclear energy so in future they might need more people. I am also half German I might move to Germany to use my skills there too.

    Found this 2 year correspondence school for electricity. Except some workshop classes they are all online.

    What do you think bros? I plan to work in a random job while attending to this e-university and then move on to electricity business.
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    Unless you work for a big utility company, its not a good way to make money.
    All the other trades like roofing, cutting trees, hvac, - you can work for yourself and make good money.

    Think about it. If someone calls you, most likely they want you to install a light switch. How you suppose to make money like that? Installing poles and power lines are all different.
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    Unless you work for a big utility company, its not a good way to make money.
    All the other trades like roofing, cutting trees, hvac, - you can work for yourself and make good money.

    Think about it. If someone calls you, most likely they want you to install a light switch. How you suppose to make money like that? Installing poles and power lines are all different.

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    lol at believing anything a frauding turd has to say
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    Unless you work for a big utility company, its not a good way to make money.
    All the other trades like roofing, cutting trees, hvac, - you can work for yourself and make good money.

    Think about it. If someone calls you, most likely they want you to install a light switch. How you suppose to make money like that? Installing poles and power lines are all different.
    Nah not planning on setting up a shop. Was thinking of a power plant
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    Unless you work for a big utility company, its not a good way to make money.
    All the other trades like roofing, cutting trees, hvac, - you can work for yourself and make good money.

    Think about it. If someone calls you, most likely they want you to install a light switch. How you suppose to make money like that? Installing poles and power lines are all different.
    this guy is completely wrong. you can still be an independent contractor as an electrician

    also, nuclear and being an electrician are distinctly different. though i guess it depends on what job you're talking about

    nuclear is usually little particles and fusion or fission and requires much more schooling. whereas an electrician more directly works with electricity without really going too much into theory or what comprises electricity like an electrical engineer

    a trade school, again, is going to be more hands on application as opposed to nuclear engineering/ physics/ chemistry/ bio
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    If you're talking about tradie electrician, they have nothing to do with power plant operation. Entirely different. You'll be routing power to new warehouses/commerical businesses. Which means you won't be working in A/C controlled environments
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    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    this guy is completely wrong. you can still be an independent contractor as an electrician

    also, nuclear and being an electrician are distinctly different. though i guess it depends on what job you're talking about

    nuclear is usually little particles and fusion or fission and requires much more schooling. whereas an electrician more directly works with electricity without really going too much into theory or what comprises electricity like an electrical engineer

    a trade school, again, is going to be more hands on application as opposed to nuclear engineering/ physics/ chemistry/ bio


    Opee, my father is a general contractor. I asked him about being an electrician working for myself and he said, "nope you won't make any money". Pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

    My neighbor, who worked for a utility company, made a lot of money before he got into accident. What he did was marched up into the woods and install the wood power poles.
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post


    Opee, my father is a general contractor. I asked him about being an electrician working for myself and he said, "nope you won't make any money". Pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

    My neighbor, who worked for a utility company, made a lot of money before he got into accident. What he did was marched up into the woods and install the wood power poles.
    this dude has made similar comments before, and has recommended "roofing" - i think he's a troll but he says he has a "part-time" job as a roofer.

    roofer vs. electrician is night and day

    an electrician will make significantly more

    and we're not really talking about anything objective because it depends on a lot of things in regard to general contractor. it's going to depend on where he lives, who he knows, what type of electrician chit he does. im fairly certain that trade school is little snippets usually in industrial, commercial and residential electricity.

    but no, general contractors can make hundreds of thousands. whereas a company is not going to want to pay you that

    in the u.s. when you start out as an electrician youre usually an apprentice for 4 years before you apply for a license and become a journeyman. not sure if it's the same everywhere. electricians usually make bank, are a part of a union and get a sweet pension after a period of time, but it kinda depends on what you pursue
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    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    this dude has made similar comments before, and has recommended "roofing" - i think he's a troll but he says he has a "part-time" job as a roofer.
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    I decided to hunt Unicorns instead but again they don't exist either.

    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    this dude has made similar comments before, and has recommended "roofing" - i think he's a troll but he says he has a "part-time" job as a roofer.

    roofer vs. electrician is night and day

    an electrician will make significantly more

    and we're not really talking about anything objective because it depends on a lot of things in regard to general contractor. it's going to depend on where he lives, who he knows, what type of electrician chit he does. im fairly certain that trade school is little snippets usually in industrial, commercial and residential electricity.

    but no, general contractors can make hundreds of thousands. whereas a company is not going to want to pay you that

    in the u.s. when you start out as an electrician youre usually an apprentice for 4 years before you apply for a license and become a journeyman. not sure if it's the same everywhere. electricians usually make bank, are a part of a union and get a sweet pension after a period of time, but it kinda depends on what you pursue
    That's nice. Honestly I am not sure how it works in my countries. I am still in the research phase. Would an apprentice earn enough to sustain his own living?
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    Originally Posted by Sinan09400 View Post
    I decided to hunt Unicorns instead but again they don't exist either.



    That's nice. Honestly I am not sure how it works in my countries. I am still in the research phase. Would an apprentice earn enough to sustain his own living?
    in the u.s. it will depend on region but its prob like 14 to 16 to start out and then in 6 months it goes up to 19/ hour. at least thats what happened to my cousin

    20/ hr might be a little tight depending on whether you're single but its doable. however, a few years in you're prob looking at 30 to 45 an hour and maybe charging more on odd jobs

    but a journeyman is prob 45+/ hr
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    in the u.s. it will depend on region but its prob like 14 to 16 to start out and then in 6 months it goes up to 19/ hour. at least thats what happened to my cousin

    20/ hr might be a little tight depending on whether you're single but its doable. however, a few years in you're prob looking at 30 to 45 an hour and maybe charging more on odd jobs

    but a journeyman is prob 45+/ hr
    Are those before or after tax? In Germany they always tell you before taxes.
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    Originally Posted by Sinan09400 View Post
    Are those before or after tax? In Germany they always tell you before taxes.
    prob before, but, again it depends

    here, i just looked up basic chit. pulled from quora:

    Owning an Electrical Contracting company for 20+ years and training countless amounts of Electricians through both the IBEW and Non-Union work, the truth is it depends on the motivation of the person. How hard do you want to work. I know it sounds stupid simple, but it is true.

    Naturally, several other factors are involved too, such as:

    Are you a Union or Non-Union Electrician?

    A Union Electricians pay is pretty much standard across the board in correlation with the years of experience as an Apprentice Electrician, your certification as a Low Voltage Electrician, Residential Electrican (residential wireman), Commercial and/or Industrial Electrician (inside wireman) or a Lineman (Utility/High Voltage) and most importantly, being state licensed as a Journeyman or Master Electrician.

    A Non-Union Electricians pay is almost always negotiable. Once you get to the Journeyman level you can usually make more than a Union Electrician. The work is way more broad. You can work in all areas of the trade like I mentioned above, low voltage, residential, commercial and industrial.

    At times, you may work in all the different settings in 1 work day. So, that type of experience is extremely valuable and you can pretty much stay as busy as you want to, with 1 employer or several. Again, this is where motivation comes into play.

    Also, for the record, the Union benefits that an Electrician receives are usually much better then what a Non-Union Electrical contractor can offer. A “Good" Non-Union Contractor will always do their best to have comparable benefits.

    In general, this is what you can reasonably expect to make - (Disclaimer, this is for the Metro-Detroit area of Michigan, “Metro” meaning within an hour or so of Detroit.)

    All of numbers listed below do not include medical, dental, vision and life insurance, vacations, holidays, 401K, retirement, etc. So, these are assuming the company offers the benefits and the employee is receiving such.

    1st year Apprentice - Both union hourly and non-union - $40,000 to $60,000 a year

    2nd through 4th year Apprentice - Both union and non-union - $50,000 to $75,000 a year

    5th year and a state Journeyman License - Both union and non-union - $75,000 to $125,000

    5th year through 8th year and a state Master Electrician License - Sometimes union, depends on the amount of hours you work and always non-union - $110,000 to $150,000

    8th year through around 15th year - General Foreman - Usually Non-union only because you are kind of “capped" at a certain point in a union - $150,000 to $200,000+ - Salary only - Sometimes Profit Sharing, Bonus Structure and other extra benefits. This depends on how desperate you are for for well qualified help.

    15th year through until you had enough of this business - Project Superintendent - Non-union only - $250,000 to $500,000+ Salary only - Always Profit Sharing, Bonus Structure, Living Expenses, relocation expenses, work truck/vehicle, travel benefits and whatever else it takes to get a great leader, they want their share of the cake too, etc. Usually they have successfully ran a similiar business and know the numbers and the profit margins.

    As you can see, it all depends on what you are looking for and what you is best for yourself. I can go on and on for days about which one is “better”. By now I am pretty sure you get the drift.

    But, how do I know? Every week I get to watch our Accountant write the checks, lol

    I hope that helps give a little more insight.
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    Having worked as a IBEW Local 11 electrician (journeyed-out in ’92 and getting ready to retire in’20) I can say I’ve been very fortunate to have worked as an electrician.

    Even as a worker who prioritized work/life balance and would rarely work overtime, I’ve been able to enjoy a good quality of life, owning a home and being able to take month-long international vacations each year.

    I don’t think about it so much as we make a lot of money, though it is above the national average but that is also weighed by living in an expensive city (West Los Angeles), I think it is more about having your financial priorities straight.

    The adage of “it’s not how much you make but how much you keep…” is very true.

    I know many electricians who work as much overtime as they can because they are always behind the 8-ball with their bills, while others work 6 months out of the year, spending the other 6 months in their rural cabin, hunting and relaxing.

    I can’t think of many industries that allows a person who doesn’t have a college degree to earn $70k+/year on the check, plus another “x” amount that goes to great medical/dental/vision/prescription care, and a annuity and pension.

    (I have had hospital stays twice (not work-related) where my payment was a total of $5 for 12 days stay between the two! One visit was for a ruptured spleen from sparring which included 2 days in ICU. The other was for a very bad stress-induced respiratory issue, 5 days to relax and heal up, stupid on my part.)

    But, I’ve also noticed over these last 30+ years that the industry is changing, it often feels as if the union is more interested in the welfare of the union than it is it’s members.

    And it is having a hard time being competitive in the 21st century where it’s main selling point is having a trained labor force in a world that is moving away from manual labor with automation, robotics, and pre-fabricated manufacturing.

    Yes, we will always need human-labor but not in the same numbers that we have needed in the past. When I got started in the 80’s I was on a job that had 100 electricians for a 7-story hotel remodel, now we can do a 5-story medical office building (MOB) with a dozen-twenty guys.

    Yet unions are still recruiting more members and making it more difficult for existing members to retire.

    So it’s a funny balance for the new guys, yes, the money is great, but the challenges to being good enough to be consistently employed is getting harder, especially as you get older.

    Speaking with a younger coworker (a foreman) a couple months ago, he’s pissed that for him, it’s now a 40-year stint before he can retire. Luckily he’s a sharp guy, who is thorough, and a hard-worker, so he should be fine if he does it as a supervisor, but for the guys who have to work with the tools for 40 years, that’ll be tough.

    And no amount of money can make up for a battered and broken body, and believe me in the last 30+ years, I’ve seen a bunch of those gimpy guys.

    Luckily, I’m not that bad and have only 3 more years to go…
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    The oilfield electricians I work with make $150-180K. That's working 14-16 hour days 2 weeks on/1 week off. Of course, they're all fearing for their jobs right now.
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    The oilfield electricians I work with make $150-180K. That's working 14-16 hour days 2 weeks on/2 weeks off. Of course, they're all fearing for their jobs right now.
    14 hours a day u fukin wot
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    14 hours a day u fukin wot
    They're bummed right now because they've been told no more than 14 hours a day because of the oil price crash. Standard shift is 12 hours and they're on the clock driving between the camp and the site. I usually get away with only 12-13 hours/day plus driving when I'm in the field but I'm salaried so there's no incentive to stretch it out.
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