Donovan Mcnabb confirmed biggest Aaron Rodgers hater on planet earth

[W1LLW]

3:15 - 3:35 HE COULD NOT have been brewing real stew when he asked that???

would he trade eli manning for aaron rodgers. lmfao fuking WHAT????

[Upshall18]

Does Eli come with 2 super bowls

[TTexasTT]

Rodgers is a easy guy to hate.

[W1LLW]

Rodgers is a easy guy to hate.

only if you're a loser.

[hardestgainer]

fukkin lol'd, he could have used any qb in the league to ask that question and he goes with eli manning, uwutm8? Maybe his jimmies were so rustled he couldnt even think straight and meant Colts Peyton Manning.

Eli shows up in super bowls, but he needs a team to get him there

[LeonardShelby]

Who's the guy on the right, he seemed pretty funny and pretty reasonable.
"Eli and who else??"

Lmao @ McNabb what a clueless salty fukk.

11 Rodgers was the greatest QB to ever play, and 17 Rodgers is still the best in the league.
And thats why he's on the GOAT shortlist and BOAT shorterlist.

GOAT shortlist yet not even top 5 on anyone's list all time? lol.

[Vhagar]

11 Rodgers was the greatest QB to ever play

No

Not even kind of

[WestAfrica]

I don't actually see why or how Rodgers is so great.

[W1LLW]

fukkin lol'd, he could have used any qb in the league to ask that question and he goes with eli manning

This was my point. As stated, Eli likes to show up when he's in the superbowl and has a team to take him there, but there have been so many seasons where Rodgers put a poverty Green Bay defense on his back and at least made a playoff run. Do we need to remind ourselves we would have had a Rodgers vs Brady superbowl had Bostick not fudged an onside kick? He could of put prime peyton manning, matt ryan, or tom brady in there and would have had a legitimate argument., but eli manning? yeah he salty.

GOAT shortlist yet not even top 5 on anyone's list all time? lol.

No

If you gentlemen don't mind. I'm going to go ahead and ignore the opinions of a guy who cheers for a packers rival that has only won 3 of their last 15 meetings, and a blatant Tom Brady bottom. Thanks for showing love to the thread though.

I don't actually see why or how Rodgers is so great.

Then you either don't watch his games, or don't really understand football (no hate). I mean surely you don't think sports analysts have been saying Rodgers is the most talented QB in the league because they like his creeper mustache?

Go back and watch the packers/cowboys playoff game last year. that'll tell you all you need to know. (you could throw in the cardinals / lions hailmaries as well if you'd like)



and he makes a ridiculous play like this (not necessarily hail mary) at least 5 or 6 times a year. no other qb simply caries the team the way he does. watch any tom brady highlight reel. he can throw lasers with the best of em but it's almost always out of a squeaky clean pocket.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

I don't actually see why or how Rodgers is so great.

No idea how a person can say this. Rodgers is probably the most talented QB the NFL has ever seen. Some of the throws he makes are absolutely insane.

[twovalvekid]

[sandcar3]

I don't actually see why or how Rodgers is so great.

Do you think Jordy Nelson is an elite NFL WR with any other QB throwing to him? How did Greg Jennings and James Jones do when they left Green Bay? How did Jones do when he once again returned to GB? What is GB's record when Rodgers is injured?

[Mumra]

Does Eli come with 2 super bowls

so does a back up kicker or whatever that never saw the field on that team. both equally important to those SBs

Rodgers is a easy guy to hate.

you're not wrong. Rodgers is a pretty big douche'

[dyee4613]

11 Rodgers was the greatest QB to ever play, and 17 Rodgers is still the best in the league.And thats why he's on the GOAT shortlist and BOAT shorterlist.

Brady finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting this year. He finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting last year. He is the defending superbowl champion. He is waay ahead of Rodgers on the GOAT Shortlist and his career absolutely destroys Rodger's. How the hell is Rodgers the best QB in the league?

Do you think Jordy Nelson is an elite NFL WR with any other QB throwing to him? How did Greg Jennings and James Jones do when they left Green Bay? How did Jones do when he once again returned to GB? What is GB's record when Rodgers is injured?

2012 was Jenning's last year as a Packer. He went to Minnasota's His last two seasons with GB:
2011) 949yds 9tds 13 games
2012) 366 4tds 5 games

As a 32 year old man, with Matt Cassell, Josh Freeman, and Christian Ponder as his QBs in what was one of the worst passing offenses of all time if I remember correctly.
2013) 804 yds 4 tds 15 games

James Jones-
GB) 890 yards 8 td -- Coming back to GB
Oak) 666 yards 6tds
GB) 817yards 3tds -- Leaving GB

So...3 more TD's and 200 less yards.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

Brady finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting this year. He finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting last year. He is the defending superbowl champion. He is waay ahead of Rodgers on the GOAT Shortlist and his career absolutely destroys Rodger's. How the hell is Rodgers the best QB in the league?

Only an idiot would say Brady isn't the GOAT, but most people who say Rodgers is the "best QB in the league" are making this argument based off skill and talent. Rodgers is on a completely different level of athleticism and talent than Brady. He is the sole reason the Packers are competitive every year.

Brady's resume speaks for itself, and he cemented his status, but as far as the most physically gifted and talented, no one comes close to Rodgers.

[dyee4613]

Only an idiot would say Brady isn't the GOAT, but most people who say Rodgers is the "best QB in the league" are making this argument based off skill and talent. Rodgers is on a completely different level of athleticism and talent than Brady. He is the sole reason the Packers are competitive every year.

I'm glad you said this because this argument always made me mad because it's such nonsense. Athleticism is only useful so far as it can be translated into on-field success which is why Jerry Rice is/has always been better than Randy Moss. We don't consider Tedd Ginn to be an elite player because he doesn't have the production. Rodgers certainly has more athletic gifts and can do a lot of things that Brady cannot; however, it's your ability to capitalize on those gifts which is what determines your value. Rodgers, with all of his gifts, has been an inferior QB to Brady the past two years per team success and individual rankings. I'm assuming the skill comment was a mistatement because Brady is a lot more skillful than Rodgers.

The second argument is another logical fallacy. Aaron Rodger's ability as a quarterback is not connected to the strength of his backup. The Packer's success depends on Aaron Rodger's because they decided to build their team around an all-world quarterback. This is the same team building strategy that the Colts used with Manning and Luck. It doesn't say anything about their ability in relation to other players, it says something about the team's ability to create a backup plan.

Note: I could understand the team argument for some like Drew Brees but Green Bay's defense isn't a dumpster fire. They were 25 in scoring (really bad) in 2016 but 11th and 14th the year before.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

I'm glad you said this because this argument always made me mad because it's such nonsense. Athleticism is only useful so far as it can be translated into on-field success which is why Jerry Rice is/has always been better than Randy Moss. We don't consider Tedd Ginn to be an elite player because he doesn't have the production. Rodgers certainly has more athletic gifts and can do a lot of things that Brady cannot; however, it's your ability to capitalize on those gifts which is what determines your value. Rodgers, with all of his gifts, has been an inferior QB to Brady the past two years per team success and individual rankings. I'm assuming the skill comment was a mistatement because Brady is a lot more skillful than Rodgers.

Comparing Rodgers to Ginn is ridiculous. I have no idea how you can questions Rodgers production. His stats speak for themselves.

The second argument is another logical fallacy. Aaron Rodger's ability as a quarterback is not connected to the strength of his backup. The Packer's success depends on Aaron Rodger's because they decided to build their team around an all-world quarterback. This is the same team building strategy that the Colts used with Manning and Luck. It doesn't say anything about their ability in relation to other players, it says something about the team's ability to create a backup plan.

I'll agree with this. The Packers built the team around Rodgers, and that's their doing. But there is no denying he carries that team and covers up a lot of holes in the roster. Brady benefits from having possibly one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen, not to mention smart ownership.

Note: I could understand the team argument for some like Drew Brees but Green Bay's defense isn't a dumpster fire. They were 25 in scoring (really bad) in 2016 but 11th and 14th the year before.

GB's defense is very mediocre outside a couple seasons in the 2010ish area, and have not shown up in big games countless times. (2009 Arizona, 2014 Hawks, 2016 Falcons). Brady does not win his 5th ring last year if the Pat's defense didn't step up to the plate and make plays.

I won't go back and forth with this argument however because it's been beaten to death on the misc and everyone has their own opinions and takes on it.

EDIT: I agree that Brady's resume is light years above Rodgers however. My argument is based solely on QB play alone and ability.

[ShadowBarkley]

Donovan Mcnabb would rather have Eli Manning over Erin Rodgers.

Seems about right for the guy who didnt know games could end in ties.

[W1LLW]

Rodgers certainly has more athletic gifts and can do a lot of things that Brady cannot; however, it's your ability to capitalize on those gifts which is what determines your value.

Thank you, the discussion is over, Aaron is better than Brady. Thank you for admitting that while also solidifying the fact that football is a TEAM sport. Aaron Rodgers carried GB to a sure shot Brady vs Rodgers Super Bowl only to be robbed by a potato. His supporting cast has nothing to do with him being head and shoulders over Brady in actual capability.

[rampagefc77]

Comparing Rodgers to Ginn is ridiculous. I have no idea how you can questions Rodgers production. His stats speak for themselves.


I'll agree with this. The Packers built the team around Rodgers, and that's their doing. But there is no denying he carries that team and covers up a lot of holes in the roster. Brady benefits from having possibly one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen, not to mention smart ownership.


GB's defense is very mediocre outside a couple seasons in the 2010ish area, and have not shown up in big games countless times. (2009 Arizona, 2014 Hawks, 2016 Falcons). Brady does not win his 5th ring last year if the Pat's defense didn't step up to the plate and make plays.

I won't go back and forth with this argument however because it's been beaten to death on the misc and everyone has their own opinions and takes on it.

EDIT: I agree that Brady's resume is light years above Rodgers however. My argument is based solely on QB play alone and ability.

LOL'd a the Rodgers vs. Ginn comparison. The only objective stat that you can argue for Brady over Rodgers is superbowl victories. If you look at their career stats, Rodgers is in a league of his own.

When you look at the last few years, Rodgers took a team to the NFC champsionship game on a torn calf and had the most epic defense collapse in league history to lose to the seahawks, he took a team with the following receivers (jones- retired, abberderis- out of league, Janis- ST player) to OT against a great cardinals team in the playoffs, and took arguably the worst defense ever to be fielded in the history of the NFL to the NFC championship game last year.

The biggest issue for the packers the last few seasons have been injuries. When your #5 CB is suddenly your #1, or when your top 4 WRs all get hurt, there is only so much you can do.

... but nobody cares about career stats, or specifics regarding why a TEAM failed to win. They only want to look at SBs.

I get it, Brady will go down as the GOAT because he has the greatest ever combo of stats AND SBs, but it's an easy argument for Rodgers being the greatest QB to play the game.

Ask yourself this, if you replace Brady and Rodgers last year, do the patriots still win the SB and do the packers still make 0 defensive stops in the NFC champsionship game and lose against the falcons?

[ToolTime2120]

Brady finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting this year. He finished ahead of Rodgers in MVP voting last year. He is the defending superbowl champion. He is waay ahead of Rodgers on the GOAT Shortlist and his career absolutely destroys Rodger's. How the hell is Rodgers the best QB in the league?



2012 was Jenning's last year as a Packer. He went to Minnasota's His last two seasons with GB:
2011) 949yds 9tds 13 games
2012) 366 4tds 5 games

As a 32 year old man, with Matt Cassell, Josh Freeman, and Christian Ponder as his QBs in what was one of the worst passing offenses of all time if I remember correctly.
2013) 804 yds 4 tds 15 games

James Jones-
GB) 890 yards 8 td -- Coming back to GB
Oak) 666 yards 6tds
GB) 817yards 3tds -- Leaving GB

So...3 more TD's and 200 less yards.

lol at using Jenning's 2012, he was injured for a majority of those games. That was the year a young Cobb broke out in his absence

[LeonardShelby]

Do you think Jordy Nelson is an elite NFL WR with any other QB throwing to him? How did Greg Jennings and James Jones do when they left Green Bay? How did Jones do when he once again returned to GB? What is GB's record when Rodgers is injured?

Lol. Jordy Nelson is wide open like 80% of the time. Jordy would be elite anywhere. Name another place Julian Edelman would be elite?

Thank you, the discussion is over, Aaron is better than Brady. Thank you for admitting that while also solidifying the fact that football is a TEAM sport. Aaron Rodgers carried GB to a sure shot Brady vs Rodgers Super Bowl only to be robbed by a potato. His supporting cast has nothing to do with him being head and shoulders over Brady in actual capability.

lol yeah carried his team to 22 points off 4 takeaways with prime field position. GOAT.

Meanwhile, Brady put up 28 against that same team with 0 takeaways to aid him in his scoring.

[Upshall18]

Why can't there be 2 goats?

[W1LLW]

Meanwhile, Brady put up 28 against that same team with 0 takeaways to aid him in his scoring.

Brady just put up a Matt Flynn performance against a historical bottom feeder you transitive property using potato.

Why can't there be 2 goats?

Because leonardshelby is a ******* that makes loud coughing noises after slobbering on the cawk of a qb from a different franchise since his has been historically Yemen levels of poverty.

[rampagefc77]

Lol. Jordy Nelson is wide open like 80% of the time. Jordy would be elite anywhere. Name another place Julian Edelman would be elite?



lol yeah carried his team to 22 points off 4 takeaways with prime field position. GOAT.

Meanwhile, Brady put up 28 against that same team with 0 takeaways to aid him in his scoring.

Rodgers played with a torn calf in Seattle. Brady played healthy at a neutral site, and Brady played them when their entire secondary was hurt. Look up the injuries if you need a reminder. Brady didn't do **** that game until another player went down (lane), then he picked on the backup. He loses that game if lynch runs it in.

He also loses last SB if his defense doesn't go full goat mode and not let the falcons do anything the entire second half.

You see how much of a team sport this is, right?

[rampagefc77]

FWIW, Rodgers is undefeated against Brady head to head. Goats gonna goat.

[W1LLW]

FWIW, Rodgers is undefeated against Brady head to head. Goats gonna goat.

/thread

[RAGEagainstHFCS]

When McNabb asks Kellerman if he'd trade Eli for Rodgers WTF could he be thinking?

I know Max is a Giants fan but still, what an idiotic question FFS!

[dyee4613]

Comparing Rodgers to Ginn is ridiculous. I have no idea how you can questions Rodgers production. His stats speak for themselves.

I'm confused. My entire post was about how elite athleticism only matters if you can translate it to elite production. Rodgers has elite production and his considered among the best at his position. Ginn does not and is not. Where did I compare them?

I'll agree with this. The Packers built the team around Rodgers, and that's their doing. But there is no denying he carries that team and covers up a lot of holes in the roster. Brady benefits from having possibly one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen, not to mention smart ownership.

I used MVP voting because I assume the voters factor in supporting cast. Unless you feel there is a massive difference (IE Manning Colt/Brees Saints vs Wilson's Seahawks) then I don't think it should be used because there is so much speculation.

GB's defense is very mediocre outside a couple seasons in the 2010ish area, and have not shown up in big games countless times. (2009 Arizona, 2014 Hawks, 2016 Falcons). Brady does not win his 5th ring last year if the Pat's defense didn't step up to the plate and make plays.

My point is that unless the defense is REALLY REALLY bad I think it's something better to avoid and GB's defense is 15th in PPG over the last 6 years so it's definitely not at the Saints level.

I won't go back and forth with this argument however because it's been beaten to death on the misc and everyone has their own opinions and takes on it.
EDIT: I agree that Brady's resume is light years above Rodgers however. My argument is based solely on QB play alone and ability.

I haven't seen you say anything outside of supporting cast in your argument for Rodgers. I think Brady should be the defacto best because he just won a superbowl MVP, has by far the best resume, and has outperformed the only other elite QB (rodgers) in the last two MVP votings. Why would most people consider Rodger's currently the best?

Thank you, the discussion is over, Aaron is better than Brady. Thank you for admitting that while also solidifying the fact that football is a TEAM sport. Aaron Rodgers carried GB to a sure shot Brady vs Rodgers Super Bowl only to be robbed by a potato. His supporting cast has nothing to do with him being head and shoulders over Brady in actual capability.

I don't think it's carrying them when you put up 12 points.

lol at using Jenning's 2012, he was injured for a majority of those games. That was the year a young Cobb broke out in his absence

I included the number of games played and I included 2011 numbers. Is it only valid if I use his prime years?

[W1LLW]

cope novel

FWIW, Rodgers is undefeated against Brady head to head. Goats gonna goat.

the truth.