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    Fasting Once/Twice per week?

    Thinking about fasting one day or two days per week.

    There are reports of the health benefits of doing so, such as aging better, improved digestion, metabolism benefits, clarity of mind, the list goes on.

    I realize this is a bodybuilding forum and a lot of you brahs will be "But what about my protein?", and will want to talk me out of it.

    Apparently there have been studies on mice, where making a mouse fast, or reducing its calories or something made that mice live longer.

    I've rarely fasted in the past, but I do recall feeling like it was a positive effect on my body.

    Anyway, pretty sure I'm going to try it out for myself, and if not, i'll probably try some kinda intermittent fasting, 16 hours of fast with an 8 hour eating window or something, I remember watching a Joe Rogan podcast where Dr Rhonda Patrick was on, and she talked about the benefits of having a daily eating window of I think it was 10 hours or less per day.

    Going to try this fasting thing out for myself and get my own experience with it, would like to hear comments about what you brahs think about it though
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    In for answers. I already do IF to manage my appetite because my appetite (3-4K) far exceeds my maintenance cals (under 2K). When I fast I lose my appetite so it works for me to lower overall intake.

    As soon as I eat my appetite revs up and it's much harder to control total cals. This especially happens when I have breakfast, if I eat early then I'm hungry all day so I usually skip breakfast and fast until later.

    As you mentioned I don't think fasting is ideal for protein intake though, from what I understand protein should optimally be dosed throughout the day for best results.
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    be careful about all these fads. i find myself feeling like they are the real deal but its always propped up with unimpressive studies and are just promoted by figureheads. when it comes to nutrition just max your macros AND micros and be done with it. all this keto, IF bull is not as effective as the basics
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    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    be careful about all these fads. i find myself feeling like they are the real deal but its always propped up with unimpressive studies and are just promoted by figureheads. when it comes to nutrition just max your macros AND micros and be done with it. all this keto,
    I wouldn't call a thousand year old practice a "fad."
    IF bull is not as effective as the basics
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I wouldn't call a thousand year old practice a "fad."False.
    IF and Keto are fads, they became popular online a few years ago and will go out of practice eventually.

    IF isnt magically better than just eating properly, is what i meant. cramming 4k calories in a few hours before bed isnt logistically sound either
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    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    IF and Keto are fads, they became popular online a few years ago and will go out of practice eventually.
    False.

    IF isnt magically better than just eating properly, is what i meant. cramming 4k calories in a few hours before bed isnt logistically sound either
    Also false. Tried them both. If can increase GH 2000%.

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    IF crew, 24 hour fast on friday/saturday crew, feels good crew
    That's something I've noticed, people who do fast pretty much always say that they felt better as a result.

    I never really hear anyone say "I felt awful when I fasted"

    Seems to always be a positive
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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    That's something I've noticed, people who do fast pretty much always say that they felt better as a result.

    I never really hear anyone say "I felt awful when I fasted"

    Seems to always be a positive
    Did you want to ask a question?
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    I do one meal a day IF, so basically 23/1, and love it. It's awesome to cut on 1500-1900 calories but still get to feel absolutely stuffed. For me personally I could never do small meal spread out snacking typical BS, was just constantly hungry. Anyway, There's a subset of people doing one meal every other day or 36/8 two day IF, which I've done some too. For me personally I could never quite make it work with my schedule as far as running and lifting and recovery. That said I absolutely believe that one or two 36-48 hour fasts a week are beneficial. I'll do a cheat day Saturday then net around 500 cals Sunday or just not eat anything at all. Sometimes not eating anything is easier than eating a little. Mentally for me the morning after a full day fast I just feel super sharp and mentally clean, I don't know how to describe it, it's not like the typical keto feeling, just this really nice feeling that I think people should explore. There's also a ton of health benefits as far as autophagy and hormonal upregulation. Check out r/fasting for some good info.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Did you want to ask a question?
    What are some of the benefits you have noticed as a result of fasting?

    And what are some (if any) of the negatives you have noticed as a result of fasting?
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    I did that for a while, nothing but coffee+water one day a week. I felt great and lost weight but got tired of it.
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    I've done it for a few periods of time, actually I'm planning to fast 1-2x pw For the next 10 weeks to cut

    It might not be optimal for bbing, but I feel it can work well for people like me with poor portion control who can't micromanage cals/macros. It basically guarantees a deficit as long as you're sensible the rest of the week.

    I did it before for 10 weeks and lost 13 lbs with no drop off in strength. Once you've done a couple it's easy too. Just make sure you're eating nutritious meals the rest of the week and you keep lifting properly.....

    I'm not saying it's optional but it works great for some people's lifestyles

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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    That's something I've noticed, people who do fast pretty much always say that they felt better as a result.

    I never really hear anyone say "I felt awful when I fasted"

    Seems to always be a positive
    its because they eat more micro rich foods instead. but theyd get the same effect if they just ate it in the first place. great example is all that juicing/greens stuff people do to replace their nightly takeout
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    fasting is for religious idiots it has no place in bodybuilding
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    What are some of the benefits you have noticed as a result of fasting?

    And what are some (if any) of the negatives you have noticed as a result of fasting?
    1) Increase energy
    2) Improve mood
    3) Better deeper sleep
    4) Increase fat burning

    There are many other internal benefits like improves nervous system, detox, insulin sensitivity, and increase GH and many more which you can't see.

    Some people say it improve brain activity (which it's claimed to do) but I can't really attest to that.

    The only negative I experience is periodic hunger. Especially when I'm home and not occupied.
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    its because they eat more micro rich foods instead. but theyd get the same effect if they just ate it in the first place. great example is all that juicing/greens stuff people do to replace their nightly takeout
    I have had a pretty bad diet before and after fasting periods, I felt better during/after that fasting period when I began eating "bad foods" again.

    So I didn't eat more micro rich foods, yet I felt better.

    The only thing that changed was the fact I abstained from eating for a period of time, and felt better for it as a result.

    How do you explain that?
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    1) Increase energy
    2) Improve mood
    3) Better deeper sleep
    4) Increase fat burning

    There are many other internal benefits like improves nervous system, detox, insulin sensitivity, and increase GH and many more which you can't see.

    Some people say it improve brain activity (which it's claimed to do) but I can't really attest to that.

    The only negative I experience is periodic hunger. Especially when I'm home and not occupied.
    Great.

    Yeah, I'm assuming there are a bunch of benefits that people are not even aware of.

    I think people treat the human body as if it's a machine that works as a car for example would. I don't think that's that's how the body should be viewed at all
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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    I have had a pretty bad diet before and after fasting periods, I felt better during/after that fasting period when I began eating "bad foods" again.

    So I didn't eat more micro rich foods, yet I felt better.

    The only thing that changed was the fact I abstained from eating for a period of time, and felt better for it as a result.

    How do you explain that?
    Someone posted in another thread that the increase in mental clarity and energy during fasting is an evolutionary feature to go hunt for food during scarcity.

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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    I have had a pretty bad diet before and after fasting periods, I felt better during/after that fasting period when I began eating "bad foods" again.

    So I didn't eat more micro rich foods, yet I felt better.

    The only thing that changed was the fact I abstained from eating for a period of time, and felt better for it as a result.

    How do you explain that?
    yeah i said that. you ate better food. you dont have to fast to do that. the only pro of fasting is that it might help a bit when you are losing weight, since you can eat a ton of food in the evening when you are home
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    yeah i said that. you ate better food. you dont have to fast to do that. the only pro of fasting is that it might help a bit when you are losing weight, since you can eat a ton of food in the evening when you are home
    I think you're looking at things too simply, let me give you a bad example of the point i'm trying to make -

    Here would be your view -

    "I personally need 4 liters of water per day to optimally function."

    And so I wake up at 8am, and by 8:30am I have drank 4 liters of water. Great, so I've hit my water intake for the day, I no longer have to worry about that.

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    Now, the problem with that simple approach is this -

    "At 1pm, I do 1 hour of intense cardio, and 1 hour of intense weightlifting"

    You see how you're going to piss out the majority of that water you drank by 10am, and now it's 3pm and you're thirsty as fuk after the hard workout.

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    So clearly things are not as simple as "Drink x" once per day... Done. Simple.

    It's not that simple

    I understand my example wasn't great, but you get the point of how the human body doesn't work in a simple way
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    1) Increase energy
    2) Improve mood
    3) Better deeper sleep
    4) Increase fat burning

    There are many other internal benefits like improves nervous system, detox, insulin sensitivity, and increase GH and many more which you can't see.

    Some people say it improve brain activity (which it's claimed to do) but I can't really attest to that.

    The only negative I experience is periodic hunger. Especially when I'm home and not occupied.
    When I fast I get the exact opposite of all 4 points, srs. No thanks.
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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    I think you're looking at things too simply, let me give you a bad example of the point i'm trying to make -

    Here would be your view -

    "I personally need 4 liters of water per day to optimally function."

    And so I wake up at 8am, and by 8:30am I have drank 4 liters of water. Great, so I've hit my water intake for the day, I no longer have to worry about that.

    -------------------------------------------------

    Now, the problem with that simple approach is this -

    "At 1pm, I do 1 hour of intense cardio, and 1 hour of intense weightlifting"

    You see how you're going to piss out the majority of that water you drank by 10am, and now it's 3pm and you're thirsty as fuk after the hard workout.

    ------------------------------

    So clearly things are not as simple as "Drink x" once per day... Done. Simple.

    It's not that simple

    I understand my example wasn't great, but you get the point of how the human body doesn't work in a simple way
    yeah so what im advocating is eating normally which includes distributing your food across the day so its realistic for your schedule and exercise. fasting is fine, but not realistic if you need 4k calories a day or have appetite issues. whatever benefits you get are cold shower level, anecdotal, or the greens example i used
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    I do this exactly, i like it

    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    yeah so what im advocating is eating normally which includes distributing your food across the day so its realistic for your schedule and exercise. fasting is fine, but not realistic if you need 4k calories a day or have appetite issues. whatever benefits you get are cold shower level, anecdotal, or the greens example i used
    Judging you by your avi you should try eating
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    Originally Posted by second2noneBrah View Post
    I do this exactly, i like it



    Judging you by your avi you should try eating
    i took it when i was 16 lol
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    I do 16 hour fasts every weekday and eat 12-8 or so. Feeling hungry during the day is the only difference. Not sure if I will start losing weight because ive only been doing it for 2-3 weeks.

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    Originally Posted by Rayzor84 View Post
    When I fast I get the exact opposite of all 4 points, srs. No thanks.
    Its not for everyone, i.e. medical/hormonal issues and dysfunctions. But most likely you're just not doing it right.
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    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    whatever benefits you get are cold shower level, anecdotal, or the greens example i used
    So a man tells another man that doing Y will make him feel better than doing X, all other men agree that doing Y will make him feel better than X.

    The man does Y and feels like he could be doing better. The man does X and feels great.

    Should the man stop doing X because everyone else agree's Y will make him feel better?

    Clearly the man should keep doing X, regardless of what others say.

    Sometimes you need to get your own experience of something to make a decision, no one else can tell you vanilla tastes better than strawberry.

    Guy lifts weights in an unorthodox way and gets better results than when he lifts in an orthodox way that others agree should give better results. Should that man stop lifting in the way that gives him greater results and instead start lifting in the way others agree should give him greater results?
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    Originally Posted by FailedPotential View Post
    So a man tells another man that doing Y will make him feel better than doing X, all other men agree that doing Y will make him feel better than X.

    The man does Y and feels like he could be doing better. The man does X and feels great.

    Should the man stop doing X because everyone else agree's Y will make him feel better?

    Clearly the man should keep doing X, regardless of what others say.

    Sometimes you need to get your own experience of something to make a decision, no one else can tell you vanilla tastes better than strawberry.

    Guy lifts weights in an unorthodox way and gets better results than when he lifts in an orthodox way that others agree should give better results. Should that man stop lifting in the way that gives him greater results and instead start lifting in the way others agree should give him greater results?
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    Here's the other thread about mental clarity from fasting with the comments that it's a survival instinct to go get food.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1489235811

    Another thread about fasting:

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1489370811
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