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    Quite the thread development. You want a sturdy rack. You want a strong rack. You want a heavy rack/bolted down rack. You want a rack that doesn't slide forward or tilt when you rack slam home the barbel after a difficult and heavy (to you) squat set or rep.

    I started with one of the lightweight $320 shipped brand new NYBB power racks. It was...okay. But seeing it slide forward on the ground, and feeling the uprights bounce forward and come back, when racking a moderate squat weight, does not inspire confidence.

    After upgrading the rack, it has moved forward from racking squat barbells about as much over 8 months as the NYBB rack sometimes did in one day or possibly in one set.

    But a rack with no bar and plates is useless except possibly for chin-ups. I'd want the bar and plates first, then the rack, and the bench last
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Quite the thread development. You want a sturdy rack. You want a strong rack. You want a heavy rack/bolted down rack. You want a rack that doesn't slide forward or tilt when you rack slam home the barbel after a difficult and heavy (to you) squat set or rep.

    I started with one of the lightweight $320 shipped brand new NYBB power racks. It was...okay. But seeing it slide forward on the ground, and feeling the uprights bounce forward and come back, when racking a moderate squat weight, does not inspire confidence.

    After upgrading the rack, it has moved forward from racking squat barbells about as much over 8 months as the NYBB rack sometimes did in one day or possibly in one set.

    But a rack with no bar and plates is useless except possibly for chin-ups. I'd want the bar and plates first, then the rack, and the bench last
    what did you upgrade to for a rack?
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    what did you upgrade to for a rack?
    Rogue RML-490 with additional crossmember and some plate storage on the lower corners

    http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-rml-490-power-rack

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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Rogue RML-490 with additional crossmember and some plate storage on the lower corners

    http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-rml-490-power-rack

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    Wow I guess so. The TDS rack fell through and after some consideration I have deceided to save my money for a titan t3 rack. I am looking for a 300lbs weight set and a barbell. My father in law has a barbell that he is giving me but unsure how good it is and if its still in good working order. Im going to look for a used ajustable bench and some dumbells to use at home for the time being. Anyone have any names of the barbell only programs to look into?
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    Wow I guess so. The TDS rack fell through and after some consideration I have deceided to save my money for a titan t3 rack. I am looking for a 300lbs weight set and a barbell. My father in law has a barbell that he is giving me but unsure how good it is and if its still in good working order. Im going to look for a used ajustable bench and some dumbells to use at home for the time being. Anyone have any names of the barbell only programs to look into?
    Barbell only programs? That's the majority of programs.

    Fierce 5, Starting Strength, All Pros are all solid novice routines that can (should, even) be done with 'only' a barbell
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    There's a 300lb set at Walmart for $189

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/CAP-Barbe...7-Bar/27137654
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Rogue RML-490 with additional crossmember and some plate storage on the lower corners

    http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-rml-490-power-rack

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    nice upgrade.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Barbell only programs? That's the majority of programs.

    Fierce 5, Starting Strength, All Pros are all solid novice routines that can (should, even) be done with 'only' a barbell
    I do Fierce 5 now but I couldn't do it at home without a rack and it has been mentioned to get a barbell and weights and that those are more important than a rack.
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    I do Fierce 5 now but I couldn't do it at home without a rack and it has been mentioned to get a barbell and weights and that those are more important than a rack.
    Oh, barbell but no rack. Right.

    There aren't really going to be any, because all programs are going to have squats, and the short of it is there's no way to get legitimate back squat weights (best exercise there) onto your back without at least squat stands, and even then, for safety you want a power rack or squat rack preferably the power rack. You can clean the bar up and do front squats, but they aren't really a sub for back squats and you should be able to front squat more than you can clean esp when using iron plates with no real ability to miss. You would kind of have to adjust the regular programs for your equipment limitations.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Oh, barbell but no rack. Right.

    There aren't really going to be any, because all programs are going to have squats, and the short of it is there's no way to get legitimate back squat weights (best exercise there) onto your back without at least squat stands, and even then, for safety you want a power rack or squat rack preferably the power rack. You can clean the bar up and do front squats, but they aren't really a sub for back squats and you should be able to front squat more than you can clean esp when using iron plates with no real ability to miss. You would kind of have to adjust the regular programs for your equipment limitations.
    Thats what I thought but people were pushing for the weights before the rack and i was like why it limits you to rows and DLs really. I think if I was to do anything it would be a bench with dumbbells. Adjustable dumbbells would be great but I hear they are expensive and the common bowflex ones are junk.
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    Originally Posted by User8675309 View Post
    There's a 300lb set at Walmart for $189

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/CAP-Barbe...7-Bar/27137654
    Is the bar that comes with it the CAP barbell that is recommended as a cheap but good priced bar?
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    Thats what I thought but people were pushing for the weights before the rack and i was like why it limits you to rows and DLs really. I think if I was to do anything it would be a bench with dumbbells. Adjustable dumbbells would be great but I hear they are expensive and the common bowflex ones are junk.
    Deadlifts (all variations), cleans, rows, overhead press, curls, possibly floor press, and more. Which is a lot more than you can do with a rack and no bar/plates...

    lol

    If you can't afford a rack and bar/plates, you can't afford a set of dumbells or adjustable dumbells.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    If you can't afford a rack and bar/plates, you can't afford a set of dumbells or adjustable dumbells.
    I dont think that is true. I can get some used dumbells for a decent price and even a new bench is about $180 I can buy a pair of dumbells a paycheck. Finding used dumbells around my area are easier than free weights.
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    I dont think that is true. I can get some used dumbells for a decent price and even a new bench is about $180 I can buy a pair of dumbells a paycheck. Finding used dumbells around my area are easier than free weights.
    I'm starting to believe this is a roll bread.

    Go ahead and buy one pair of dumbells from whatever is available used every 2 weeks, I'm sure it will get you up and running faster than just getting a bar and plates...
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    I'm starting to believe this is a roll bread.

    Go ahead and buy one pair of dumbells from whatever is available used every 2 weeks, I'm sure it will get you up and running faster than just getting a bar and plates...
    Oh no I agree a bar and plates is a good investment but I think as a way to start dumbbells and a bench for days I can't make it to the gym and even with a bar and weights not much can be done without a rack so its something worth investing in but dumbbells make the most sense especially when you can get some good deals on Craigslist and fb market place
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    Originally Posted by Alan21 View Post
    Oh no I agree a bar and plates is a good investment but I think as a way to start dumbbells and a bench for days I can't make it to the gym and even with a bar and weights not much can be done without a rack so its something worth investing in but dumbbells make the most sense especially when you can get some good deals on Craigslist and fb market place
    What exercise can you do with a bench and dumbells that you can't do with a bar and weights? Bench press and...?? There is a lot of variation on options for a bar and weights as compared to a bench and dumbbells.

    I think all your questions have been answered but you already know what you want. Perhaps time to let this thread roll into the graveyard
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    FYI: You don't have to have to put the plates on the bar to use them. They're still heavy when not on the bar and can be lifted independently.

    There are lots of things you can do with a bar:

    Deadlifts
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    Bent Over Rows
    Pendlay Rows
    Upright Rows
    Curls
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    Dumbbells are kind of a dumb option. If you're buying olympic plates, then you need olympic handles which are kind of clumsy. Then you need at a pile of extra small plates in quantities divisible by four. That doesn't seem economical.
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