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    Post UK Miscers - are you aware of Libertarian Party UK?

    https://libertarianpartyuk.com/wp-co...to_2017_DL.pdf

    here is their manifesto


    their NHS stance - since this is a big issue

    As an organisation, the NHS has obscured its failings through a political ‘sacred cow’ status.
    This cannot continue as it will eventually lead to financial collapse.

    It is our proposal as an interim measure that National Insurance becomes a true insurance
    entity for health provision, not a Ponzi scheme.

    National Insurance contributions will be paid to ‘not for profit’ organisations whose board members are elected and are disconnected from politicians much as the Bank of England is at present.

    The holding of a NI membership means the patient will receive appropriate treatment from
    whatever source including overseas treatment and this will be paid for by the National
    Insurance Board.


    Should you elect to take out your own medical insurance you will be entitled to opt out of the
    National Insurance Scheme.
    Employers can offer medical insurance as part of an employee’s
    contract. This will not be a taxable benefit.

    The National Insurance Board will not own or operate any hospital, but will purchase services
    from clean safe hospitals from whatever quarter on the basis of ‘patients before public
    privilege’.

    The National Health Boards shall consist of an English Board, Scottish Board, Ulster Board and
    Welsh Board. They shall be fully independent of regional government interference. Should
    each board wish to increase the rates they wish to take, this shall be put to the opted in
    members of the scheme to be agreed by a referendum
    .

    Elective cosmetic procedures will not be funded by National Insurance boards.


    Non Residents arriving at their port of entry show that they have adequate Health Insurance
    for the length of their stay
    . This will be reflected in the cost of a visa.
    The central premise should be that National Insurance should reflect the true cost of the
    service provided on an annual basis.

    GP services will also be paid for by the National Insurance Board, each GP practice having to
    demonstrate that it can provide 24 hour coverage on a local basis to alleviate A&E services.

    Medical incompetence should be referred to a no fault compensation scheme so those deaths
    and injuries can be compensated within months not decades.






    cliffs of the rest of the manifesto

    - NHS will remain free for all, but will be completely redesigned
    - the current voting system will be amended so that votes actually count
    - Public sector corruption or cover ups will become a criminal offence
    - impeachment process for public servant who abuse their position
    - everyone has the right to their own beliefs, church and state will separated.
    - strong defense systems NOT helping overthrow foreign entities ie focus on UK instead of 'helping out' places
    - remain in NATO
    - reduce Trident over time
    - armed forces pensions to be increased, and adequate bereavement payments made
    - living wage for armed forces personnel
    - No NI numbers to be issued to anyone not born in UK
    - a 5 year 'vetting' period before state benefits can be applied for
    - free movement
    - heavier prison sentences for those not born here
    - proposal of legal insurance
    - 'unenforceable law is bad law'
    - The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible
    evidence of police action in dealing with it.
    - life means life prison sentences
    - age or gender should not influence sentencing
    - oppose death penalty/torture
    - contributions to charitable services such as RNLI, Fire, and Air Ambulance will become tax deductible
    - 18-24 year olds who volunteer for the charitable services will receive a 3 year tuition grant at a UK university
    - equally a company or donor who sponsors a student will receive tax deductions on their amount
    - nursing/doctor courses at uni will be tuition FREE
    - decriminalise drugs
    - treat addicts as public health issue not criminal issue
    - state cannot overspend, creating debt
    - income tax free up to 21,000, then flat rate above this
    - a sales tax style system where tax is collected in relation to how much a person spends
    - regional tax rates on top of the flat rate after 21k, as different regions have different wages and costs of living
    - reduce CT to 10% and be CT for for startup companies (first 5 years)
    - CGT and IHT abolished
    - schools/colleges/university trusts that give scholarships will get tax reliefs
    - teachers paid on talent
    - remove HS2 plans
    - remove parliament from Westminster and relocate to a cheaper smaller alternative
    - reduce foreign aid



    cliffs of cliffs

    - Free NHS remains, but will be run completely different
    - Military is for defense only and not attack
    - reduce trident
    - church and state separated - people free to their own beliefs
    - immigration - 5 year period before residency, paying into NI service in this time.
    - heavier prison sentences for those not born here, life to mean life, and gender/age neutrality on sentencing
    - tuition fees for doctors/nurses abolished - and for sponsorship of volunteers, the amount is tax deductible
    - drugs decriminilised
    - UK personal allowance up to 21k, with flat rate tax above this
    - regional sales tax style system due to wage/cost of living differences
    - tax collected on what people spend not what people earn.
    - cut CT to 10%



    does anyone think this party has some good ideas?

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    Libertarians naturally will have some good ideas, such as opposition to military intervention, decriminalisation of drugs, cutting taxes on the working/middle class etc. They will never get any traction anywhere though, big business loves the state too much.
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    some ok ideas some silly

    phasing out trident? relocate parliament? opt out of NI if you have private? what happens if you need A&E?
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    Originally Posted by BrocepCurls View Post
    Libertarians naturally will have some good ideas, such as opposition to military intervention, decriminalisation of drugs, cutting taxes on the working/middle class etc. They will never get any traction anywhere though, big business loves the state too much.
    yes agreed

    tehy only had candidates in 4 constituencies last month, although they only had 1 in 2010!

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    some ok ideas some silly

    relocate parliament? opt out of NI if you have private? what happens if you need A&E?
    it says that A&E charges will be free on arrival, meaning if you pay into NI, then it will be free

    if you have private healthcare, A&E will be free on arrival, but your private care should cover the costs after this, or you pay for the A&E stint - its unclear really tbh,
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    Originally Posted by RmBoyos View Post
    yes agreed

    tehy only had candidates in 4 constituencies last month, although they only had 1 in 2010!



    it says that A&E charges will be free on arrival, meaning if you pay into NI, then it will be free

    if you have private healthcare, A&E will be free on arrival, but your private care should cover the costs after this, or you pay for the A&E stint - its unclear really tbh,
    What if you don't pay NI all your life then decide to opt in when you're older and getting sick, will you get treated? There's little explanation of how it would function

    These kind of half and half systems don't really work - see America. It would get a lot of opposition since in this country most people, right or left, think healthcare should be simple and universally provided by taxation on all citizens. The NHS does obviously need some fixing but I don't think trying to move towards a half baked public option will do the country any favours
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    Originally Posted by RmBoyos View Post
    yes agreed

    tehy only had candidates in 4 constituencies last month, although they only had 1 in 2010!



    it says that A&E charges will be free on arrival, meaning if you pay into NI, then it will be free

    if you have private healthcare, A&E will be free on arrival, but your private care should cover the costs after this, or you pay for the A&E stint - its unclear really tbh,
    people would eventually be crippled by private healthcare premiums if they need urgent help - we all visit A&E once every few years - multiply that by 4 for the average family and nobody will be affording PI. Our current system is far better although in need of serious reform. Cuts can be made despite the current Labour whining (middle management bureaucracy, gluten-free prescription bollocks etc etc) and everyone needs to put in, not opt in and out at a whim. PI works because it eases pressure on the system and waiting lists etc for the less fortunate, but nobody goes to BUPA following a car crash or a bottle over the head.
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    Originally Posted by BrocepCurls View Post
    What if you don't pay NI all your life then decide to opt in when you're older and getting sick, will you get treated? There's little explanation of how it would function

    These kind of half and half systems don't really work - see America. It would get a lot of opposition since in this country most people, right or left, think healthcare should be simple and universally provided by taxation on all citizens. The NHS does obviously need some fixing but I don't think trying to move towards a half baked public option will do the country any favours
    yeah good points

    but why should someone who has private healthcare since he started his employment, have to pay his 'NHS share' so to speak - surely he should get some sort of relief for it? at the moment he gets taxed extra on his premiums

    Originally Posted by ZioBot View Post
    people would eventually be crippled by private healthcare premiums if they need urgent help - we all visit A&E once every few years - multiply that by 4 for the average family and nobody will be affording PI. Our current system is far better although in need of serious reform. Cuts can be made despite the current Labour whining (middle management bureaucracy, gluten-free prescription bollocks etc etc) and everyone needs to put in, not opt in and out at a whim. PI works because it eases pressure on the system and waiting lists etc for the less fortunate, but nobody goes to BUPA following a car crash or a bottle over the head.
    why?.


    perhaps there should be an A&E contribution alongside NI? which is non negotiable, whilst NI could be an in/out thing if you have private care or not
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    Originally Posted by RmBoyos View Post

    why?.


    perhaps there should be an A&E contribution alongside NI? which is non negotiable, whilst NI could be an in/out thing if you have private care or not
    well i was working under the assumption that i've opted out altogether and pay private only. i'd have no right to emergency treatment, or would i?

    honestly, i think leave the NHS as is, leave the choices available as is, and make the NHS great again. I would have immigrants pay for, or significantly toward treatment, until their contribution to society is met. I'd cut ridiculous **** like gluten-free bread and paracetemol from scrips, I'd make suppliers far more competitive and get rid of as much non-medical staff and red tape as possible without compromising safety. We have the perfect system in place already, its just not working perfectly.

    But we do desperately need a centre ground common sense liberal party.
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    Originally Posted by ZioBot View Post
    well i was working under the assumption that i've opted out altogether and pay private only. i'd have no right to emergency treatment, or would i?

    honestly, i think leave the NHS as is, leave the choices available as is, and make the NHS great again. I would have immigrants pay for, or significantly toward treatment, until their contribution to society is met. I'd cut ridiculous **** like gluten-free bread and paracetemol from scrips, I'd make suppliers far more competitive and get rid of as much non-medical staff and red tape as possible without compromising safety. We have the perfect system in place already, its just not working perfectly.

    But we do desperately need a centre ground common sense liberal party.
    yeah totally

    and stuff like 'overweight' health concerns should perhaps carry a charger? since its self inflicted, why should the tax payer have to foot the bill because someone cant control what goes into their mouth!


    perhaps like an A&E charge for when people get stupid black out drunk and end up in hospital? like, its no-ones fault apart from that individual, and its a bigggggg strain on emergency services, it may act as a deterrent for excessive binge drinking
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