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    tuesday:
    macros: 2,391 Cals; 258g C; 84g F; 176g P; 33g fiber - good numbers all the way around. let me duplicate that every day.


    wednesday: weigh-in: 181.4# @ 16.8%; 150.92# lean mass; FFMI 23.00 - lowest lean mass number I’ve shown in a long time. not cool.

    workout:
    KB Goblet Squat
    4 Sets: 55x12

    Barbell Glute Hamstring Raise
    4 Sets: 12 Reps

    Exercise Ball Static Wall Squat - 30 seconds
    • Session Length 00:19:32
    • Actual Workout 00:06:16
    • Wasted Time 00:00:43
    • Rest Timer 00:08:03
    • Weight Lifted 3130 lbs


    I skipped any kind of conditioning/cardio to answer the door for the repair tech who arrived promptly.

    macros: 2,701 Cals; 266g C; 103g F; 183g P; 50g fiber (!?!?!)


    thursday: weigh-in: 180.6# @ 15.4%; 152.79# lean mass; FFMI 23.28 - now we’re headed in the right direction. Some gears are turning .

    It took me forever to get going this morning, couldn’t shake off the cobwebs; so much so that even after dropping an E-cin I made myself a cup of coffee to get gym-ready

    workout:
    6-Way Lateral Raise
    Set 1 : 5x15

    KB One Arm Side Lateral Raise
    4 Sets: 20x12

    Cable Rope Face Pull
    4 Sets: 105x12

    Bike Intervals - 1 min low, 30 sec high, 6 intervals
    Calorie : 75 CAL
    Duration : 00:10:00
    • Session Length 00:30:19
    • Actual Workout 00:17:57
    • Wasted Time 00:00:00
    • Rest Timer 00:07:32
    • Weight Lifted 6075 lbs


    I picked up a couple convenience meals from the grocery store last night. I was craving a certain one especially and wanted so much to try it. While prepping my foods this morning, I wanted to switch up my eggs a little and made an omelet (nothing crazy, three eggs and swiss cheese). I entered my foods into MFP, checked the package on my buffalo chicken mac & cheese - that ain’t happening today. We’ll just save that for an off day when I only eat a couple meals, or fit it in tomorrow by reducing a couple hundred calories somewhere else - all fats & carbs. I’m a little light on fiber today, so tonight’s dinner may have to be fiber heavy (broc****, high fiber grain but not much of it). Today’s weigh-in encouraged me. I’m not banking on just fiber, or just that I’ve been doing my ACV detox drink, and E-cin. It’s a combination of everything. And though I did not do cardio yesterday (and my calories were high), my numbers showed better.

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    oh, those late nights...

    Late night dinner, getting home from our meeting - I get that low blood sugar feeling and just need to snack on stuff.

    2,845 Cals; 291g C; 107g F; 181g P; 25g fiber; even with the hostess cake, but without those cursed cream cheese crackers I would have had a near perfect day. We’ll see what happens.

    Woke up late. I was so dragged out that I needed it. Falling asleep on the couch didn’t help; can’t count it as good rest. We woke up from the couch around 0430 and went upstairs. I ignored the alarm until 0800 - not even on purpose. It was a good thing though. Forcing myself to get up at 0630 would not have been a good start to my day. However, this leaves me not much time to do a full workout and prep meals. Fortunately I have some easy to fix items hanging around. The biggest obstacle will be getting my head together and getting moving.

    Weigh-in: 180.8# @ 15.7%; 152.41# lean mass; FFMI 23.22 - looks like late night salt and extra fats and carbs didn’t kill me. It’s a new day!!

    couple quick supersets to finish out my deload week. If I get a chance, I’ll add some active rest or light cardio over the weekend. I’ll also be doing a little bit of home repair/improvement. My goal this weekend is to drive down the calories to around 1800-2K and stay hydrated in an attempt NOT to undo what I’ve worked on over the week. That’s how I got from 190# to 180-183# earlier this year.

    Superset I
    Cable Rope Triceps Pushdown / EZ-Bar Spider Curl
    3 Sets: 110x12 / 55x12

    Superset II
    Cable One Arm High Curl / DB Incline Triceps Extension
    Set 1 : 44.5x10 / 35x12
    Set 2 : 44.5x11 / 35x12
    Set 3 : 44.5x11 / 35x12

    goal was 12 reps, but it wasn’t worth decreasing the resistance as it would have made 12 not quite a challenge.
    • Session Length 00:17:52 - wow. that was quick.
    • Actual Workout 00:11:04
    • Wasted Time 00:00:00
    • Rest Timer 00:06:00
    • Weight Lifted 8624 lbs


    I dosed 1 E-cin at 1130 with my post workout ‘brunch’ (I left my bottle at work) and will be dosing the other around 1730 before my late lunch meal (#4). Even with adding that higher macros meal that I saved from yesterday, I’m looking at 2,122 Cals; 216g; 71g F; 154g P; 27g fiber so far. Leaving me room for a moderate dinner (15g F; 25g P) - sounds like a grilled chicken sandwich at a drive-thru to me.

    5.5 days left. Let’s see if we can move the needle. One note form my experience thus far; once I've gotten accustomed to the E-cin I feel generally good and have good focus for some hours.
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    weigh-ins:
    29-Jul 180.8# @ 15.6%; 152.60# lean mass;
    30-Jul 179.8# @ 15.5%; 151.93# lean mass;

    macros: 2,340 Cals; 188g C; 109g F; 155g P; 16g fiber;
    31-Jul 181.4# @ 15.7%; 152.92# lean mass

    Barbell Incline Bench Press 1RM 218.66# - 90 secs rest
    Set 1 : 115x15
    Set 2 : 135x12
    Set 3 : 155x10
    Set 4 : 165x8
    Set 5 : 205x2 - felt so good I decided to go for it. One set to test my near max.
    Set 6 : 155x10
    Set 7 : 135x12
    Set 8 : 115x15

    DB Incline Hex Press 1RM 63.33# - 60 secs rest
    Set 1 : 30x15
    Set 2 : 35x12
    Set 3 : 40x10
    Set 4 : 50x8
    Set 5 : 50x6
    Set 6 : 40x10
    Set 7 : 35x12
    Set 8 : 30x15
    • Session Length 00:32:02
    • Actual Workout 00:11:24
    • Wasted Time 00:00:00
    • Rest Timer 00:19:03
    • Weight Lifted 14760 lbs


    I had to fix some home improvement projects and clean up early this morning and wasn't sure if I could make time to exercise. Got it done, felt good, but didn't do my preworkout shake. So, I wasn't carbed up heading into my workout . Just 1 dose of E-cin and prepped my aminos to keep me going. Felt really good getting back to doing some lifts, even if I didn't do the calves. I think I’ll stick with this for another month, then do a one month (or two MHT shocker). We’ll see how this goes. I’m absorbing material and finding that I need to push further.

    I already have more fiber in today than all of yesterday. That’s what happens when you spend your weekend running around and don’t plan meals.

    1,604 Cals; 173g C; 53g F; 132g P; 29g fiber; and a potluck tonight. I don’t need to eat some of everything. Just a few smart choice. I’m usually pretty good at that for these potlucks; much better than I am at the Chinese buffet, which we went to on Saturday and I could not count for anything - big plate of sushi, salad, some rangoon, fried banana, and a couple desserts. Anyway - moving on! Got a couple days left here before some results.
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    I don’t even know what the hell I ate last night. But…

    weigh-in: 181.4# @ 15.7%; 152.92# lean mass;

    Those 2am calories didn’t set me back. WINNING.

    I was so stuffed from what I ate before my nap (Woke up around 0800 after going to bed about 0330), that I didn't do my wake'n'shake. Just a cup of coffee to get going and later 1 cap E-cin and 2 caps APE (which has no acute bearing on performance, it's just my normal time to take them). mixed my intraworkout with 4oz juice added for SOME carbs. No ill effects taking a fat burner and not eating right away.

    Weighted Pull Ups 1RM 253.33# - 90 secs rest
    Set 1 : 180x12
    Set 2 : 190x10
    Set 3 : 200x8
    Set 4 : 200x6
    Set 5 : 190x9
    Set 6 : 180x10

    DB Incline Bench Two Arm Row 1RM 81.66# - 60 secs rest
    Set 1 : 40x15
    Set 2 : 50x12
    Set 3 : 60x10
    Set 4 : 70x5 - here's where I gave out and knew I went too heavy. I was able to do these reps before, perhaps lack of carbs played a part I'm certain.
    Set 5 : 60x8
    Set 6 : 50x10
    Set 7 : 40x12
    Set 8 : 35x15

    Barbell Reverse Grip Bent Over Row 1RM 168# - 60 secs rest
    4 Sets: 120x12 - all reverse grip for lat thickness. That's what I get for watching Kris Gethin.

    I didn't want to do any abs, much less my normal circuit. Figured I'd try something different.

    Windshield Wipers / hands to elbows Planks
    Set 1 : 6 Reps / 30 secs
    Set 2 : 5 Rep / 45 secs
    • Session Length 00:48:39
    • Actual Workout 00:15:46
    • Wasted Time 00:04:53
    • Rest Timer 00:22:00
    • Weight Lifted 20375 lbs - not bad
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    I've got today and one cap left tomorrow; and doing most everything wrong . We're going to make a final push to tighten up the foods (and quality - flexible, not IIFYM) and then compile results.
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    And then there were two...


    Didn’t eat a lot of good stuff late last night, but keep the calories down and didn’t blow my macros out.

    2,429 Cals; 271g C; 81g F; 150g P; 27g fiber

    weighed-in this morning: 180.8# @ 15.7% BF; 152.41# lean mass;

    It took me extraordinarily long to get going, just feel wiped. I did my wake’n’shake; morning routine, prepped and cooked, fixed some Pre-Kaged (freaking 16oz water, ugh, forgot about that part) and popped my E-cin & APE late, almost done with pre.


    LEGG DAAAYYYY!!!!
    Barbell Deep Squat 1RM 262.5# - 90 secs rest (+)
    Set 1 : 115x15 - I checked my step box and tested the movement pattern with the safeties set as usual, was not touching - so no box squats - I go lower without.
    Set 2 : 135x12
    Set 3 : 155x10
    Set 4 : 175x8
    Set 5 : 225x5 - decided to go for a heavier set.
    Set 6 : 155x10 - rest time is dragging on, gathering myself for the next set. don’t laugh.
    Set 7 : 135x12
    Set 8 : 115x15 - taking extra time. I’m dying out here.

    Single Leg Curl 1RM 133.5#
    Set 1 : 89x15 - I dialed back the weight, attempting to get better quality reps.
    Set 2 : 93x12
    Set 3 : 100x10
    Set 4 : 105x8
    Set 5 : 105x6 - still failing out. I was sweating hard and drained.
    Set 6 : 100x6
    Set 7 : 93x8
    Set 8 : 89x12

    And I did the calves, dangit! Didn’t want to at first, but can’t keep skipping lower leg day.

    DB Standing Calf Raise 1RM 73.33#
    5 Sets: 40x25

    • Session Length 00:57:54
    • Actual Workout 00:24:44
    • Wasted Time 00:04:40
    • Rest Timer 00:24:00
    • Weight Lifted 24648 lbs


    Starting to feel some leg soreness already. Might have been good stimulus after all. Tomorrow should be fun. maybe I’ll stretch and roll later.

    I'm thinking about modifying my rep scheme in a couple more weeks. Maybe still pyramiding, but only one side? 15,12,10,8, then go all out to failure, drop-fail, drop-fail, drop-fail. then just drop...
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    macros: 3,028 Cals; 353g C; 112g F; 166g P; 39g fiber - looks like that was my high day for the week. My wife and daughter went out later in the evening and dinner ingredients sat until they got back. We ate dinner around 0130. Until that time, I was left with chocolate chip cookies and mini danish - RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!! 5 cookies and 5 mini-pastries later… this is what you end up with.

    weigh-in: 181# @ 15.8%; 152.40# lean mass; I still felt full from late dinner, but the extra sweet and salty foods had negligible effect. I’m going to bet that watching how I do today, keeping processed foods down, carbs a little lower, and hydrating, I’ll see better numbers tomorrow for my last weigh-in of the log.

    So, still full and not wanting anything extra in my stomach really, I just took a scoop of whey (isolate predominant plus some concentrate) with 4oz juice and 4oz water for my preworkout meal. Since I have one cap left, I skipped the E-cin this morning and went directly for the Pre-Kaged.


    Barbell Military Press Behind Neck - 60 secs rest
    Set 1 : 45x15
    Set 2 : 55x12
    Set 3 : 75x10
    Set 4 : 95x8
    Set 5 : 95x8
    Set 6 : 80x10
    Set 7 : 70x12
    Set 8 : 60x15

    I was very surprised that I could do these and felt no aggravation in my shoulder joint. I haven’t done BtN in forever because people are staying it’s bad for you; but more recently, people who I can trust that they are healthy and are doing the thing (knowledge + mileage) are saying that they are a big benefit and some ways to work into doing them. (My body is ready). As such, I was cautious at first, doing only the bar on the first set, but quickly became comfortable and ramped up the weight, still with full ROM.

    DB One Arm Side Lateral Raise - 60 secs rest
    Set 1 : 15x15 - the concentration here is to maintain tension at the bottom and turn thumbs slightly down at the top. Can really feel it
    Set 2 : 20x12
    Set 3 : 25x10
    Set 4 : 25x10 - from here on, sets start with the opposite hand. just a little tweak.
    Set 5 : 20x12
    Set 6 : 15x15

    Cable Reverse Fly - 60 secs rest
    Set 1 : 31.5x15
    Set 2 : 34.5x12
    Set 3 : 37.5x10
    Set 4 : 37.5x10
    Set 5 : 34.5x12
    Set 6 : 31.5x15

    Cable Rope Face Pull - 45 secs rest
    4 Sets: 105x12

    Finished with two sets of planking alternate knee to elbow something-or-others.

    • Session Length 00:49:42
    • Actual Workout 00:23:02
    • Wasted Time 00:00:00
    • Rest Timer 00:23:00
    • Weight Lifted 15138 lbs


    Feel like a winner today! Took my last cap of E'cinerator before my 2pm mini-meal and not even worried about hunger. One more checkin tomorrow and we’ll put together some results, thoughts, etc.
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    final meal: yeah, we did takeout fried chicken. moderation, perhaps.

    macros: 2,725 Cals; 247g C; 107g F; 195g P; 20g fiber - I fell off the fiber (or fibre) train a little. I was craving a post-dinner chocolate, but kept it to one cookie and was more than satisfied. The ice cream in the freezer didn't get me! Of course there are leftovers for today; but I also had leftovers from other meal preps earlier this week as I most often can split things to make two meals (large sweet potato and canned veggies, for example). I think I'll be ditching that delicious, crispy, Bojangles chicken skin - maybe half of it.


    this is where we landed this morning at weigh-in: 181.8# @ 15.7%; lean mass showing 153.26#. I'll be making a chart of the past thirty days and correlating diet changes along with weigh-ins. My diet really hasn't changed, and we just roll with it. SO, though not perfect, I'd like to see if E'cinerator was of some assistance.

    If you take raw starting numbers and finals I gained .2# and .1% bodyfat over the last month. Before we call it, we have to take everything into account. I think this is more about the journey; and if I did everything 'right' the whole time, I would have seen more change.




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    Of course! Will be doing some details, and some things that have transpired since being off for a few days. Coming up today, or writing today and posting tomorrow. Stay tuned...
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    E’cinerator breakdown


    PRODUCT DESCRIPTION from Muscelology.com

    E’CINERATOR is a fast acting extreme fat loss formula designed to help you strip off unwanted body fat while dramatically increasing your metabolism and energy levels while improving overall workout performance. This summary statement is what we'll be working from.

    E’CINERATOR helps kick-start your metabolism, which may improve your body’s ability to burn stored fat for energy, and may also help prevent future storage of unwanted body fat. When you’re training and dieting with the help of E’CINERATOR your body becomes a highly energized, highly focused fat burning machine!

    High Potency Jitter Free Formula
    E’CINERATOR does not contain DMAA (1,3 Dimethylamine) or Ephedra alkaloids, so it will not cause nervousness, jitters or anxiety. If you’ve tried other fat loss and energy products that made you feel irritable or anxious you’re going to love how good you feel, and look on E’CINERATOR! Plus E’CINERATOR contains neurotransmitter support ingredients to help you stay focused and in control on even the lowest carb diet or when training in a caloric deficit.

    E’CINERATOR may support your bodies fat metabolism and fat loss efforts by:
    Boosting Metabolism & Energy Levels
    Accelerated Body Fat Loss
    Improve Retention of Lean Body Mass
    Sustained Energy for Tough Workouts
    Help Kick-Start Any Training or Fat Loss Program


    Make no mistake E’CINERATOR is one of the strongest fat loss and energy formulas available, and should be treated, used and respected as such a potent formula. One capsule per serving is all you need to achieve results.



    What I like: clear labeling. plain and simple.

    Let’s check out the actuals, using examine.com (mostly) as unbiased source.

    Caffeine 200mg - the reason it’s included is most likely
    An increase in fat oxidation appears to be apparent (assessed via increased serum glycerol and free fatty acids) which is thought to be secondary to increases in adrenaline
    but there are all kinds of physiological effects, some positive, some negative, and have to do with ingesting with large amounts of carbohydrate (negatives) and if long-term higher doses vs ‘newbies’. In general, power output, aerobic exercise, etc are increased. My issue with it being in a fat burner is that I’m either ingesting and extra 400mg, or I’m cutting other sources of caffeine and switching my routine. This would be one ingredient I think I could do without, unless this was my preworkout.


    Citrus Aurantium 100mg
    recommended dosage 10-20mg 3x daily (30-60mg total synephrine). This having 100mg 2x daily puts it way above, but this is whole extract. Would this have adverse effects? Typical amount of synephrine is 6:1 making it 6mg per dose x 2, similar to Xenadrine EFX. All studies were confounded with a variety of fat loss supplement ingredients. However, those studies show effects on appetite suppression, alertness, blood pressure, heart rate, metabolic rate, anxiety, and sedation. Of note, high doses (50mg) of synephrine from the parent plant, Bitter Orange, have been shown to raise blood pressure 7mmHg over 5 hours (two patented forms of this have been shown not to increase BP though). Something to consider if you have high blood pressure already. Another study showed a resting increase in metabolic rate of 65kcal in 75 minutes following a 50mg dose with no increase in BP. synephrine also shows synergism with caffeine (so their effects amp each other), noted more in people who do not ingest much caffeine.

    White Willow Bark 100mg
    Aspirin? It’s been shown to be anti-inflammatory. Old research showed that it worked synergistically with ephedra to aid in weight loss. Since ephedra’s been banned, this just might be a holdover ingredient that is just common to add, though I think they might have it included as the thought would be synephrine replacing ephedra and perhaps the same kind of synergy. The only studied dose has been 120-240mg for back pain.

    NALT 100mg
    I’m not finding too much info on this form (N-Acetyl) but L-tyrosine has strong studies showing cognition benefits during exercise or other acute stressor. Also it can help lower blood pressure during stress, minor reduced perception of stress and increased perception of well-being, as well as improved working memory (basically it’s a nootropic). Some info from Nootropedia.com indicates that the Acetyl part increases bioavailability (so you need less).
    The serving size of N-acetyl-L-tyrosine is around 350 mg. Some people take smaller doses more frequently throughout the day, but this is a good starting point in order to improve cognitive markers without taking too high a dosage.

    - Nootropedia.com

    Ginger 10:1 50mg
    Ginger is good for overall health. The inclusion of it here baffles me though. I see moderate effects at reducing inflammation (including DOMS), enhanced memory (in older women), improvement in blood health markers (cholesterol, triglycerides), and of course digestion improvement and reduced nausea. Scrolling down I see one minor correlation of increased thermic effect of food when coingested.

    Higenamine HCl 50mg
    in bold at the top of the page:
    Higenamine (Norcoclaurine) is part of the Nandina plant that has traditionally been used as an anti-asthmatic and is currently used as a fat burner due to sharing similar mechanisms to ephedrine; limited evidence on these claims.
    dosages tend to be 20-30mg 2-3x daily (40-90mg). So this would be a strong dosage (50mg x 2 = 100 mg daily)


    Cayenne 50mg
    Plain and simple- increase core temp.

    Theobromine 50mg
    Chocolate caffeine - gives a sense of well-being and calmness. Helps make a person happy. Here’s another good reason
    Supplementing cocoa extract or eating dark chocolate is linked to better blood flow and improved insulin sensitivity.

    Hordenine HCl 20mg

    Hordenine (N,N-dimethyltyramine) is an adrenergic-like compound found in a variety of foods investigated for its fat-burning effects. May be a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor.
    It goes on to say that Hordenine is a stimulant, found alongside synephrine. There is no recommended dosage yet, but is found in Bitter Orange. So, this just might be a natural amount extracted with the synephrine and coming along for the ride. A sort of two-for-one. It’s more scientific name is N-dimethyltyramine; so the next ingredient confuses me.

    N-Methyl Tyramine HCl 20mg
    A few sources are saying it’s banned for sport. Would that mean it’s potent? Or gives an unfair advantage?

    By the way - this is also found in Bitter Orange (Citrus Aurantium), as is another banned substance octopamine. Not that I really care about banned for sport, personally. The only reason I mention it is that C.auratium, though it has this, octopamine does not show in urine tests in this form. go figure.


    Rauwolfia Vomitoria 3mg

    Rauwolfia vomitoria extract has the functions of lowering Blood pressure, sedation, blood circulation, pain relief, and detoxification. It is also used for curing high blood pressure, dizziness, insomnia, epilepsy, snake bites, bruises.
    So, maybe this is a helper in reducing blood pressure and offsetting the stimulant effects of some other ingredients while they go to work in other areas (like medicine for side-effects). Seems that way, but also what was curious is use for detoxification, which could be the other reason for its inclusion.

    here’s another reference:
    Rauwolscine is a molecule which is very similar in structure to yohimbine, and probably similar in its effects as well; may be more potent, but limited evidence exists…

    It's mechanisms of action are very similar to yohimbine, as it can act as an Alpha(2)Adrenergic antagonist and thus aid in fat burning (not so much by inducing fat loss, but by alleviating pressures the body exerts to preserve fat mass; its like preventing the body from stopping the fat loss, but doesn't induce it directly). Rauwolscine shows some promise in being more effective due to higher potency on the same receptor.

    It also shares the same aphrodisiac and mood-elevating effects as yohimbine, although the potency on this relative to yohimbine is not known.
    I’ve heard of some people (can’t name any of the top of my head, who avoid yohimbine. Maybe they don’t want a better mood or more wood.

    each pill would have 773mg active ingredients just by adding straight down.



    My thoughts on the formula
    This looks to be mostly a product to increase energy and reduce side effects of such (like blood pressure), while enhancing mood and cognition (possibly to overcome a calorie-deficit 'brain fog'). The part that I would like to see more openness about is what the strength of the extracts are. C.aurantium @ 100mg per the label reads like it's just a recognizable substance and included as whole plant. Looking further down the list, you see two constituents of bitter orange @ 20mg listed separately. You either have to subtract that from the 100mg, or they are added on top of. I can't be sure. If one of the two patented forms were used, we could be more certain of what we're getting. My preference would be for Advantra-Z. Likewise, Rauwolfia is included by name only - no mention of extract or strength, so who knows how effect 3mg is. Sounds like a small amount, but could be plenty if purified for rauwolscine.

    What I don't see it doing , or having ingredients that do, is preventing carbs to turn into fat or directly switching on utilizing fats for energy directly. I could be wrong.
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    My Experience
    One bottle, 30 days. First, a disclaimer. I've never had much success on fat-burner products; but I was curious about this, and really didn't expect to get picked for a log on it. I'm glad I tried it though. Teaches me a little more about tools and how to use them properly versus 'magic pill' solutions. I'm the guy with that last layer of fat that just won't come off.

    That said (or typed?), here's how it went. I started one dose on 3 July. First weigh-in on 4 July. 181.6# @ 15.6%. The first few days I got really jittery after my morning dose. This calmed down after having some calories in my system. In the first week or so, I worked out the timing, and in the third week I was used to it enough that I ventured taking a dose before a workout without having extra food. After a moment or two of that anxious, slight nausea feeling, I was right as rain and ready to go. The differences I noticed in my workouts were a little better cognition and a lot more sweat. I do very little to no cardio, and just a little bit of core work. There were a couple days that I extended my workout further as I felt very energized, even did some time on the bike that I hadn't touched in months. After the first week, not too much change, just normal fluctuation. I stay between 180# and 183# lately. around the middle of the month I started having HANGRY days with calorie consumption spikes over 3K a couple occasions. End of week three my avg daily calories for that week was up to 2800 from 2650 prior. The following week I improved the quality of food I was eating and was able to drop calories to an average of 2560 (end of week 4), with just a few days left I did one spike (trash food in the house ) but two other decent days. Averaged out @ 2727 Cals. I think with the right foods, E'Cin helped curb my appetite a little. This took about three weeks to kick in though. The first day following my final dose, calories shot up. And I felt bloated a few days after that.

    Weight and fat. I charted a kind of crazy curve on this. First. I finished pretty much where I started. 181.8# @ 15.7% from 181.6# @ 15.6%. Spikes and fluctuations are also indicative of hydration as well. so we have to look overall. Rather than going day by day and recounting, I had some weight gain in the middle of the month and a couple dips before leveling out. It's going to happen, but shows inconsistency on my part. bodyfat also showing a consistent rise in the middle of the month before a little dip at the last week. This points to the need to up water intake while on this.

    The part I didn't care for so much is having 200mg caffeine twice per day on top of any preworkout and I like my coffee. Even at one cup of coffee I'm close to 700-800mg per day on workout days. During this run I took a break off preworkout (honestly, I ran out) and took a deload week as I felt my CNS was fried. it helped. but that was the time my weight & fat peaked, too. I also switched my coffee to decaf. I was still beginning to feel exhausted in the evening which happens when I do too much caffeine for extended periods.


    My final thoughts: E'cinerator can be an adequate fat burner, but you HAVE to be prepared. Get all your ducks in a row first, and don't expect one month to do it. I would probably like to use for and would see results in 3-4 months. My hope is that I would go no lower than 175# and can take a few months getting there if needed. If I were to do this for a 90-120 day run, I'd reconfigure to a low stim preworkout, drink only decaf, and make sure my diet is on point. But, If I did the last one, would I even need this? It could be something to add for that final push to get over the hump when already doing the others. I can see how this would be a big help to someone just getting active or with more weight to lose. I'm 5-8# from my goal (and really at my goal weight, just not my goal fat). I would say that overall, I took it for granted a bit, and wasted the E'cin. E'cin is not a waste though. Next time, I would prep my support around this day properly.

    Thanks eyeguy for having my take a crack at this. I wish I could have had better results, but that's on me. At least I didn't get fluffier through my HANGER
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