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    I've been thinking of getting one, but not sure if it will really help me. Would be nice to try one in person or pick a used one cheap.

    Anyone have a Titan SSB?
    https://www.titan.fitness/strength-e...ympic-bar.html

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    Originally Posted by gym62richard View Post
    I have a Watson SsB, I've been using it regularly for about four years, living in the UK, I don't have access to any of the SSB's recommended here, so it's not possible to make any comparisons., Personally I love the Watson SSB, I've have used other cheaper SSB's, but they never came close to the Watson.

    On my SSB, in common with similar bars, the load is pushing you in a forward direction, but unlike some SSB's I've used the Watson bar isn't trying to bury your face in the floor, so the squat movement feels more natural than some SSB's. It's not the prettiest bar, but it's built like a proverbial tank, the padding is comfortable , the handles are straight and about 6 inches long and the overall finish of the bar is excellent. Watson claim that the design is pretty close to the original Hatfield bar, I don't know whether this is correct, but functionally it's an excellent bar and my favourite specialist bar.

    always jealous of your side of the pond, LOVE Watson, i see Watson as what Rogue wants to be, should be, and probably could be if they had there head on straight. Heres a company that actually produces innovative products across the board. They make actual commercial stuff at rogue ish price points that make sense. seems like they have great product and have heard nothing but good about them!

    On a different note, maybe off topic a bit
    Love my duffalo but may not be able to squat with it and returning to my SSB! I will still press with it so not unhappy. I high bar squat currently and ehen usong the Duff shoulders seem to still be too strained for it. I have not had a lick of shoulder issue in almost 2 years since ssb and now 3 weeks into duffalo my shoulders pain has starting to flare, i am trying some things though to remedy this and any suggestions are welcome. First i am using a mono and after lift off, moving my hands farther out, this seems to help, but then it requires moving them back i after squattibg, anyone do this?
    I am also trying to go lower bar on back, the duffalo is more comfortable for this, so i am going a little liwer each sesion, the lower position seems to help!
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    Originally Posted by arkaa View Post
    I've been thinking of getting one, but not sure if it will really help me. Would be nice to try one in person or pick a used one cheap.

    Anyone have a Titan SSB?
    I can't link, but someone on reddit's homegym sub made a review on it.
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    Originally Posted by Sboarder1964 View Post
    I can't link, but someone on reddit's homegym sub made a review on it.
    Thank you, I found it. The review did highlight one issue that might effect me - that the gap between the two shoulder pads is a bit wide. The SSB specs say 15" and I measured myself to be about 11.5" to have the bar rest comfortably on my shoulders, maybe 12.5" tops. Any wider and the bard would be resting on my shoulder ends and won't be comfortable or convenient. I don't want to buy blind, so I will wait till I can try one in person and get a feel for it. Also, there some discussion about camber and angles that I didn't fully understand but doesn't sound positive. I need to find out more about this, may not be a simple as it seems.

    Posting links for anyone else who might be interested.
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    Originally Posted by arkaa View Post
    I've been thinking of getting one, but not sure if it will really help me. Would be nice to try one in person or pick a used one cheap.
    Hi friend. Imo this Titan bar is really bad. It has no visible angle between the camber and handles. As I understand, a good SSB must have slight angle, about 25-30 degrees, and short camber (like Crepinsek’s) or big angle and long camber (as Watson). The first type is more “goodmorning-style” bar and the second is “rack assist” style (designed to squat with assistance handles).
    I think its better for you to find a used Crepinsek/Edge/Yoke.
    Do you play vanilla WoW? This titan vs Crepinsek’s is like random green weapon vs Arcanite Reaper.
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    Originally Posted by arkaa View Post
    Thank you, I found it. The review did highlight one issue that might effect me - that the gap between the two shoulder pads is a bit wide. The SSB specs say 15" and I measured myself to be about 11.5" to have the bar rest comfortably on my shoulders, maybe 12.5" tops. Any wider and the bard would be resting on my shoulder ends and won't be comfortable or convenient. I don't want to buy blind, so I will wait till I can try one in person and get a feel for it. Also, there some discussion about camber and angles that I didn't fully understand but doesn't sound positive. I need to find out more about this, may not be a simple as it seems.

    Posting links for anyone else who might be interested.
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/homegym/com...n_fitness_ssb/
    Please don't buy that bar. Titan saw an SSB and thought it was simply a bent bar with pads and handles. Buy an SSB from an actual lifting company. Edge, Rogue, Westside, EliteFTS...
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    Besides Watson there is another interesting "unconventional" SSB manufactured by Powerlift. There is a review on youtube... Looks like its very heavy duty and can take hard punishment for decades.
    Actually im sure its pretty similiar to the oldest&original Hoogland SSB design praised by Hatfield. And SSBs like Crepinsek-Elite-Edge are based on the another, more recent design.
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    Originally Posted by questinable123 View Post
    Besides Watson there is another interesting "unconventional" SSB manufactured by Powerlift. There is a review on youtube... Looks like its very heavy duty and can take hard punishment for decades.
    Actually im sure its pretty similiar to the oldest&original Hoogland SSB design praised by Hatfield. And SSBs like Crepinsek-Elite-Edge are based on the another, more recent design.
    The Powerlift SSB is more Spider/GCB than SSB. It's still a very nice bar, but not quite a true SSB.
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    Resurrecting this thread. Curious as to weather an SSB makes sense for someone like me.

    I've got a couple of significant injuries that make me question at times what the best way for me to squat is or even whether I should be squatting with a barbell. In my 20's I wrecked my thoracic discs (T7-8 & T8-9) and to this day I still feel the instability there when I squat with a barbell; i can feel it with a heavy sneeze too!

    I've also had labrum tears in both shoulders repaired, left one in 2013 and right one in 2015. Although I feel like I have good flexibility, I find it hard to get into a low bar position to squat without a lot of strain and pain in my shoulders and elbows; especially when I finish racking the bar and have to get out from under it. I have no issues or pain dead lifting, or pressing (bench or overhead).

    Should I be considering an SSB? What would it help/hurt considering the issues i have in my upper back and shoulders?
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    Originally Posted by buddy0329 View Post
    Resurrecting this thread. Curious as to weather an SSB makes sense for someone like me.

    I've got a couple of significant injuries that make me question at times what the best way for me to squat is or even whether I should be squatting with a barbell. In my 20's I wrecked my thoracic discs (T7-8 & T8-9) and to this day I still feel the instability there when I squat with a barbell; i can feel it with a heavy sneeze too!

    I've also had labrum tears in both shoulders repaired, left one in 2013 and right one in 2015. Although I feel like I have good flexibility, I find it hard to get into a low bar position to squat without a lot of strain and pain in my shoulders and elbows; especially when I finish racking the bar and have to get out from under it. I have no issues or pain dead lifting, or pressing (bench or overhead).

    Should I be considering an SSB? What would it help/hurt considering the issues i have in my upper back and shoulders?
    Back issues you cite are a real question and I don't think anyone can answer that besides you and your doctor. Start very light at a minimum and do a lot of pre-hab work.

    On the shoulder side SSB should be fine. Some guys here like Buffalo or Duffalo bars. My shoulders are fine so I don't recall much on them but there's a big thread here.
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    Originally Posted by C123C View Post
    Back issues you cite are a real question and I don't think anyone can answer that besides you and your doctor. Start very light at a minimum and do a lot of pre-hab work.

    On the shoulder side SSB should be fine. Some guys here like Buffalo or Duffalo bars. My shoulders are fine so I don't recall much on them but there's a big thread here.


    Thanks for the response! I know where you're coming from. I guess I should have phrased my question differently, i.e. how a SSB would work to strengthen my back differently than a straight low bar squat. Taking the back issue aside, it's my shoulders and elbows that are uncomfortable squatting.
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    Originally Posted by buddy0329 View Post
    Thanks for the response! I know where you're coming from. I guess I should have phrased my question differently, i.e. how a SSB would work to strengthen my back differently than a straight low bar squat. Taking the back issue aside, it's my shoulders and elbows that are uncomfortable squatting.
    I have two bulging disks in my lumbar region. Many say the SSB squat is more like a front squat than a back squat. My torso is more upright squatting with my EliteFTS SSB. Even when I am fatigued my back stays solid while squatting.

    I use a SSB because my shoulders lack mobility. My shoulders and arms are totally isolated from the effects of the squat. The SSB pads sit on my shoulders. I hold the handles and contract the muscles in my shoulders and arms to maintain a tight upper body.
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    Originally Posted by buddy0329 View Post
    Resurrecting this thread. Curious as to weather an SSB makes sense for someone like me.

    I've got a couple of significant injuries that make me question at times what the best way for me to squat is or even whether I should be squatting with a barbell. In my 20's I wrecked my thoracic discs (T7-8 & T8-9) and to this day I still feel the instability there when I squat with a barbell; i can feel it with a heavy sneeze too!

    I've also had labrum tears in both shoulders repaired, left one in 2013 and right one in 2015. Although I feel like I have good flexibility, I find it hard to get into a low bar position to squat without a lot of strain and pain in my shoulders and elbows; especially when I finish racking the bar and have to get out from under it. I have no issues or pain dead lifting, or pressing (bench or overhead).

    Should I be considering an SSB? What would it help/hurt considering the issues i have in my upper back and shoulders?
    You should also look into doing a belt squat. When my son was recovering from labrum surgery he performed heavy belt squats until he could start using heaving weights on the bar (8mths post op)
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    Originally Posted by buddy0329 View Post
    Resurrecting this thread. Curious as to weather an SSB makes sense for someone like me.

    I've got a couple of significant injuries that make me question at times what the best way for me to squat is or even whether I should be squatting with a barbell. In my 20's I wrecked my thoracic discs (T7-8 & T8-9) and to this day I still feel the instability there when I squat with a barbell; i can feel it with a heavy sneeze too!

    I've also had labrum tears in both shoulders repaired, left one in 2013 and right one in 2015. Although I feel like I have good flexibility, I find it hard to get into a low bar position to squat without a lot of strain and pain in my shoulders and elbows; especially when I finish racking the bar and have to get out from under it. I have no issues or pain dead lifting, or pressing (bench or overhead).

    Should I be considering an SSB? What would it help/hurt considering the issues i have in my upper back and shoulders?
    Honestly, sounds like a belt squat would be a better fit for you, but backs aren't anything to mess around with, so you should make sure with your doctor what you should or shouldn't use. I've always found that the SSB is much harder than a straight bar, so if a straight bar is tough on the back, SSB is with, especially thoracic area.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    Honestly, sounds like a belt squat would be a better fit for you, but backs aren't anything to mess around with, so you should make sure with your doctor what you should or shouldn't use. I've always found that the SSB is much harder than a straight bar, so if a straight bar is tough on the back, SSB is with, especially thoracic area.

    Good advice MGM. I never intend to lift heavy because of my back, however I intend to keep lifting since it provides a great metabolic benefit for me in addition to maintaining some semblance in strength. My interest in the SSB partly about comfort in my elbows & shoulders, and partly questioning whether SSB squats in general provide a structural benefit given the back issue. It is important for me to keep my torso strong, and compound movements likes squats, deads and presses help to do that.

    I did reach out to Mr Crepinsek last week after reading this thread. I'm intrigued and curious but certainly not committed to doing anything. Looking for ways to add volume, or alternate between or even replace back squats (in ways that make sense given the circumstances). I'm curious whether SSB squats can fit that role.

    Yea, as for doctors, no doc will give that specific advice. What I do know is that it is in my long term best interest to strengthen the back as best I can to account for the structural weakness I have.
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    Originally Posted by arkaa View Post
    Anyone have a Titan SSB?
    I used the Titan SSB for a few months. I really liked it. I feel like now that I have used a SSB I would always choose it over a standard bar for squats. The camber allows the weights to be forward so your body weight can move rearward and your back is more vertical during the squat.
    The Titan is an incredible value, but had one main drawback for me: the spacing between the handles is a bit too wide. Mine was actually about 16" center-to-center, so they rested a bit too far out on the shoulder. If I get another I will look for tighter handle spacing.

    But I liked the angle between that camber and the handles (none = zero). That worked out just fine. I like having the weights thrust forward of my center of mass. If you are big, with wide shoulders or a thick neck it is probably a great value. No problems other than my personal fit issue with the handle spacing.
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    forget the titan, spend a little more and get the elitefts one, on sale today for $289, that is the lowest they sell it for.
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    Originally Posted by smokinHawk View Post
    forget the titan, spend a little more and get the elitefts one, on sale today for $289, that is the lowest they sell it for.
    https://www.elitefts.com/elitefts-ss..._source=criteo
    Damn I might have to pull the trigger and deal with the wife later. That's a fantastic price. I've been stuck between this and the Crepinsek based on MGM's posts but I think at this price the SS Yoke wins.
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    Damn I might have to pull the trigger and deal with the wife later. That's a fantastic price. I've been stuck between this and the Crepinsek based on MGM's posts but I think at this price the SS Yoke wins.
    That's a tempting price, but the Crep is still worth the extra $75 over the SS Yoke IMO.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    That's a tempting price, but the Crep is still worth the extra $75 over the SS Yoke IMO.
    Interesting.

    I know Crep is considered the holy grail of SSB's but can you elaborate?
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    Originally Posted by smokinHawk View Post
    forget the titan, spend a little more and get the elitefts one, on sale today for $289, that is the lowest they sell it for.
    https://www.elitefts.com/elitefts-ss..._source=criteo
    Shipping isn't included at this $289 sale price, so depending on where someone is located it might not be the lowest they sell it for.
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    I have a Crepinsek SSB, and I'm not crazy about it. The black finish is durable and the stubby handles make storage more convenient, so those are the pros. Howver, the padding under the leather pads is rebonded carpet foam, and too soft in my opinion. The leather pad covers are kind of folded into place instead of sewn together so it can come apart pretty easily if getting heavy use in a gym (in photos you always see these things with duct tape around the pads). No problems in my home gym though. The camber is just narrow enough to give you the occasional issue when re-racking on 3" j-cups - but this might be an issue with Elite's as well.

    I haven't actually used the EFS one, but I've been eager to "upgrade" and flip whichever bar I like the least.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    That's a tempting price, but the Crep is still worth the extra $75 over the SS Yoke IMO.
    Guess I'll hold out for a bit longer then. Would there be a difference in comfort between the two since i'm only 5'7?
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    Originally Posted by Leaf View Post
    Interesting.

    I know Crep is considered the holy grail of SSB's but can you elaborate?
    I've outlined my reasons why on a few other threads, but basically, the way it sits and how it balances is the best. I've also explained why I don't prefer the SS Yoke to the Crep mainly because of how it sits and how the handles can be pushed upward and basically defeat the purpose of the bar. The point of the bar is to not be comfortable, and my suspicion is some of these other SSB are designed with trying to give more comfort to the neck area.
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    I just started using the Crepinsek SSB now with rack handles instead of holding onto the short stubs which I've always done. Amazed at how the SSB sits and balances perfectly on my back hands free. It does feel somewhat more quad dominant & easier with the handles but wanted to change it up with the SSB. I'm getting much better depth with the rack handles which is what I wanted to work on. I know the EliteFTS Yoke bar has some really nice pads but feel the overall construction of the Crep SSB is superior with the perfect angles. Ralph Crepinsek is also just a great guy to deal with. You can also buy angled or straight extensions for the short stubs if needed. I was lucky enough to find mine used.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    I've outlined my reasons why on a few other threads, but basically, the way it sits and how it balances is the best. I've also explained why I don't prefer the SS Yoke to the Crep mainly because of how it sits and how the handles can be pushed upward and basically defeat the purpose of the bar. The point of the bar is to not be comfortable, and my suspicion is some of these other SSB are designed with trying to give more comfort to the neck area.
    Basically what I've read before, good to hear another account. Crep is definitely highest on my list, but honestly, whatever pops up on the used market in Canada is what I'll probably get.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    I've outlined my reasons why on a few other threads, but basically, the way it sits and how it balances is the best. I've also explained why I don't prefer the SS Yoke to the Crep mainly because of how it sits and how the handles can be pushed upward and basically defeat the purpose of the bar. The point of the bar is to not be comfortable, and my suspicion is some of these other SSB are designed with trying to give more comfort to the neck area.
    i disagree, I prefer the Elitefts one over the crep one by a lot. I like the fact that you can position the handles up or down depending on how you want the weight to feel, your not just locked into one position. The padding on the Elitefts one is nicer, more comfortable also. Comfort is nice, not sure why you would want to strain your neck.
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    not sure why you would want to strain your neck.
    those neck gains though
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    Has anyone compared the angles of the Crep vs Elitefts? If you screw the stubby handles off it looks like the Crep, padding not withstanding.
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    I enjoyed the Edge SSB while I owned it, but ultimately it didn't make the final cut and helped fund several other machines. I would still highly recommend it though as I did like it better than the EliteFTS bar, and I'm also with smokinhawk on the overall comfort aspect. I think MANY 'average-joe' lifters purchase these bars with the sole purpose of helping alleviate shoulder pain and general discomfort when squatting. Then you have the side benefit of doing movements like GM's, standing calf raises, walking lunges with relative ease compared to a straight barbell. I also liked the fact that you could push the handles up slightly to simulate a normal back squat, if I wan't to feel pulled forward and focus on upper back/quad development I'll just do front squats instead (which I do). But I understand for the advanced powerlifter looking to go heavy to strengthen the upper back the CREP/EliteFTS seem to be the way to go, but if you fall in my category the Edge SSB is just a better value.
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