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    if you want a 200mg caffeine medium range pre that still gives sustained stamina, check out Slim's very own artificial sweetener/dye-free Pre-Workout

    True Grit PRE is pretty good too, as for Mesomorph - yet to try it but heard good things op.
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    I REALLY want to try mesomorph, no DMAA for us in the military though
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    Originally Posted by DamonX View Post
    Many new products have been released since:


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    I have been using Redcon1 Total War very good pre!!
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    Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    Peptest Bulk, I've never heard of this. I need to look it up.
    it is very very good
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    Originally Posted by lowroller21212 View Post
    True Grit PRE is pretty good too, as for Mesomorph - yet to try it but heard good things op.
    Yass thank you for the mention.

    If you do end up trying Mesomorph, try to use it sparingly for heavy sessions (~3x per week)
    Ran 2 tubs of it and quickly built tolerance when taking it 4-5 times a week.. cut back a wee bit to 3x and all was fine~
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    100mg of caffeine
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    or..









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    Originally Posted by koweanguy View Post
    If you do end up trying Mesomorph, try to use it sparingly for heavy sessions (~3x per week)
    Ran 2 tubs of it and quickly built tolerance when taking it 4-5 times a week.. cut back a wee bit to 3x and all was fine~
    Agree 100%, you will be tempted to use it daily to experience the greatness, but using it sparingly really is the best way. I built up tolerance to it VERY quickly so I only use it for upper body sessions and lay off it during cardio and leg day.
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    Originally Posted by SkyFlight23 View Post
    100mg of caffeine
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    4g of citrulline-malate

    or..









    I prefer the latter.
    Meh, the latter would be appropriate for most folks I believe..
    But you are dealing with forum folks who take more stims than mere muggles
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    dmaa?
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    fill in the new guy on what these mean.

    And I see mention of a lot of caffeine....300mg !!!
    I don't drink coffee or much soda so I'm not big on caffeine.
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    Originally Posted by Rob1882 View Post
    Nothing is likely going to compare to Craze that is available it did not get its effects from 1,3 DMAA


    Some of my favorites



    God of War RED and God of Rage fantastic and my favorite being God of War RED

    Couple other 1,3 pres I have on hand that I liked

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    SuperPump 250 ( W/DMAA )
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    DMHA I find to be fairly weak compared to AMP Cit or 1,3 but the best version I have had so far Kraken
    I just ordered some god of war red. I think they made a new version and increased the amp citrate and caffeine too.
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    I just ordered some god of war red. I think they made a new version and increased the amp citrate and caffeine too.
    It's the same they had just modified the visual appearance of the labels on Rage/Red and Black but each is the same however they did introduce another pre which utilizes DMHA however that is called "God of Rage Reloaded"
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    Originally Posted by Rob1882 View Post
    It's the same they had just modified the visual appearance of the labels on Rage/Red and Black but each is the same however they did introduce another pre which utilizes DMHA however that is called "God of Rage Reloaded"
    Ohh, why does the old label say 250 amp citrate and 275 caffeine and the new label show 275 amp citrate and 325 caffeine?
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    Ohh, why does the old label say 250 amp citrate and 275 caffeine and the new label show 275 amp citrate and 325 caffeine?
    They have multiple products with AMP Cit not just Red my guess your comparing God of War RED and God of War Black's labels since that first you mention is God of War Black while the 2nd is RED just FYI so either the site you seen it on has the wrong labels showing or you got confused between the 2 products labels but both Black and Red use AMP Cit the RED has the higher dosage while the Black the lower dosage.
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    Originally Posted by Rob1882 View Post
    They have multiple products with AMP Cit not just Red my guess your comparing God of War RED and God of War Black's labels since that first you mention is God of War Black while the 2nd is RED just FYI so either the site you seen it on has the wrong labels showing or you got confused between the 2 products labels but both Black and Red use AMP Cit the RED has the higher dosage while the Black the lower dosage.
    Yeah ik bro they changed it... black is now 250, red is now 275. Compare old and new lables...
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    Originally Posted by Hockeyman199 View Post
    Yeah ik bro they changed it... black is now 250, red is now 275. Compare old and new lables...
    You are wrong they are unchanged

    God of War RED has not ever changed God of War RED Has always had 275mg caffeine always and it's also ALWAYS had 250mg AMP Cit that I am aware of or own/have.

    All that was ever changed with God of War of any of them is the visual appearance of the tubs that is all that Centurion labz even modified; which they as a company stated on social media when they changed the visual packaging but the entire label is unchanged I have tubs on release of God of War RED and Rage on hand you can use search engines with me posting the labels of Red and Rage from over a year ago they are no different than the label that is right now available of both products and black has also never changed.

    The only update to anything they produce on the pre workout front was the addition of God of Rage Reloaded which replaced the DMAA with DMHA but it is labeled clearly as "Reloaded"

    There are plenty of posts with me discussing it on multiple forums even with labels and the labels I posted than vs the labels being sold right now 100% identical for the label the graphic design is the only difference I have both new and old tubs. Reloaded has 250mg caffeine 200mg DMHA while the Rage has 300mg caffeine and I think 60mg DMAA I would need to double check but none of those new or old have 325
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    All of my tubs of Red have this same label on the back for the gram weight and ingredients
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    I ordered from advanced supps.com and if u go there click the label and its clearly 275 amp citrate for RED and 250 for BLACK... i would show u but u cant post pics on here. Just go look on the website so u can clearly see it.. not tryin to be a dick tho lol
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    All of my tubs of Red have this same label on the back for the gram weight and ingredients
    Thats the old label btw
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    This is a brand new tub of God of Rage their strongest pre workout it also does not posses more than 300mg caffeine per scoop so again you were either lied to with bad/incorrect information or your confusing pre workouts. God of Rage is the same now as it was when it first came out. God of Rage is also the same now as when it first came out the only differences are the label design/visuals.

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    Thats the old label btw
    Again the new tub has the same label... I know that is the orig label visually the ingredient panel as I said is the same it has not changed.

    God of War RED has right now on brand new tubs with the new design 275mg Caffeine & 250mg AMP Cit the same exact ingredient panel as the picture I posted a few minutes ago 100% the same.
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    This is a brand new tub of God of Rage their strongest pre workout it also does not posses more than 300mg caffeine per scoop so again you were either lied to with bad/incorrect information or your confusing pre workouts. God of Rage is the same now as it was when it first came out. God of Rage is also the same now as when it first came out the only differences are the label design/visuals.



    Again the new tub has the same label... I know that is the orig label visually the ingredient panel as I said is the same it has not changed.
    Lmao please go to the website im talkin about and look at the label so we can get this over with
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    Lmao please go to the website im talkin about and look at the label so we can get this over with
    As I keep telling you I believe that is a mistake not sure how many times I need to spell that out but according to the company themselves upon the change when I asked the owner directly about it he said 0 changes made to the formulations only the appearance. So I guess do the tubs you have show the differences or does just the websites listing show a image file? because the tub's I have on hand have the ingredient profile I posted pictures of those were bought within the last months and are of the newest flavors even.
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    Originally Posted by Ripper908 View Post
    Animal Fury or Gaspari Superpump Max are the best

    Fury if you want more caffeine
    http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-cnn6oe...085862.png?c=2 Yeah i guess they did get it wrong then.. idk how tho
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    Yeah i guess they did get it wrong then.. idk how tho
    Well likely they got image files from the company that is not a picture of the physical tub; I am unsure but its possible there was just graphical errors in the image file is my guess but the only new change was with "Reloaded" I have not yet actually tried that one I do not btw believe the Red is actually still in production, but I could be wrong on that but AMP Cit was banned a good while back so whatever was produced and is out and about is all that is left the only update was the labels right as it was being banned.

    Reloaded my guess is to replace Rage since DMAA is now being banned again I really don't as much like DMHA but I dunno willing to eventually try it but the others I had tried with DMHA were not anywhere close to as good as AMP

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    Originally Posted by Rob1882 View Post
    Well likely they got image files from the company that is not a picture of the physical tub; I am unsure but its possible there was just graphical errors in the image file is my guess but the only new change was with "Reloaded" I have not yet actually tried that one I do not btw believe the Red is actually still in production, but I could be wrong on that but AMP Cit was banned a good while back so whatever was produced and is out and about is all that is left the only update was the labels right as it was being banned.

    Reloaded my guess is to replace Rage since DMAA is now being banned again I really don't as much like DMHA but I dunno willing to eventually try it but the others I had tried with DMHA were not anywhere close to as good as AMP

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    Nah the still makin it
    That doesn't mean it's still being made it just means there is still some left because again the AMP Cit was banned for supplement use look up the case with Metabolic Nutrition and ESP

    Edit: I have no way of knowing what their producing but given the DMHA pre suspect Rage and Red are done beyond whats available. Why else produce the "Reloaded" as a 4th pre workout makes no sense so I suspect just what's out there in the world of Black, Red and Rage is all there is and "Reloaded" will replace the lot of them at least till DMHA is banned I guess I dunno.
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