Hi,
I can't find my own post so I created a new one.
I'm skinny fat & the more I bulk(clean bulk) the more I got fat & I don't gain that much muscle.. So I end up looking even worst.
But if I lean down I'm afraid I'm also gonna look like s**t.
I have been lifting for a 1year & a half (yes my diet & my training were s**t so I ended up a bit stronger but I still look like s**t)
I started "Fierce 5" from the sticky a few days ago but I don't know if I should bulk or cut on it.
Also I would know what's your guess on my bf% since I can't trust my biaised judgement nor the caliper.
(PS: Im sorry for the guyz who gave me a personnalised workout but I didnt knew there were stickies ><)
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Thread: Skinny fat dilema and what bf% ?
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04-09-2017, 06:42 AM #1
Skinny fat dilema and what bf% ?
Last edited by tong3; 04-11-2017 at 06:32 AM.
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04-09-2017, 06:53 AM #2
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Your bf% looks to be around 16-17%. You don't have that much fat. You just lack muscle. I would start at maintenance and hold off on bulking until you do your first reset.
You can't help the hopeless.
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04-09-2017, 07:28 PM #3
Welcome tong3 and congrats on some progress! How many times a week do you go to the gym? If you are eating clean and healthy, then maybe your lifting technique can be refined. Have you got any feedback on your lifting form? Do you get sore after workouts?
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04-09-2017, 11:10 PM #4
Can I lose some fat while on maintenance ?
I have been eating clean but I wasn't counting calories. I think I under eated. I never gain weight untill recently when I tried to bulk.
I won't call this "progress", I feel fat & tho I've been doing this for a while now I still not look like I'm lifting :/ .
No soreness is gone for a while. Sometimes i feel sore (rarely) but never like it was when I began. + it goes really quickly :'(Last edited by tong3; 04-09-2017 at 11:47 PM.
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04-10-2017, 05:05 AM #5
Hey there brother!
Ohh come on man, stop saying you look like poo poo hehe... You look good, the only think what you have to work on is to get some size and to get these muscle groups in a good shape so they will look presentable ...
You are approx 15%bf, my opinion... You have this skinny fat look, but I always call it (undeveloped), but thats something you can work on just with nutrition and good workouts... I would really suggest lean bulk brother, if you will go on lean bulk, you will not just gain size, but also get these muscle in a very good shape and slowly, but progressively decrease body fat...
I really think you can do a lot with your body, just stay consistent, and as always I will advice on cutting out fizzy beverages, sugary snacks and most importantly FRIED FOOD...
Keep us up to date with your progress brother
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04-10-2017, 05:19 AM #6
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04-10-2017, 06:45 AM #7
Well I like to be honest with myself that's why(but no bad feeling here, my motivation is not gonna fade away just for that, it just means I have so much to do so I won't be able to get bored
Nutrition side is ok when it comes to pick healthy foods, my prob' is calorie counting(I hate that so much) & finding the magic number.
Here is my fat distribution and some informations (i don't know if you need it for giving advices but here I go)
Ass then legs then belly then chest. No love handles. Barely no fat on upperchest, I can barely pinch skin here, same for arms.
The only part I actually experienced hypertrophia is legs & calves. No growth elsewhere. Like almost 0. Maybe chest a little but like almost nothing.
Also strenght increased everwhere(but very little) except in arms. Strenght really increased in legs. (I'm gonna mention bitch weight but we all started somewhere ^^)
33kg to 52kg at deadlift.
Bench press went from 8kg to 12kg
(damn these numbers are so sad xD)
Biceps curl goes from 8kg to 10kg(ok this one is really sad)
(when I started lifting I wasn't even able to do 1 push ups, now I can do variation tho)
Triceps extensions went from 6kg to 12kg
Guess I'm gonna go for maintenance. Shall I try 2000kcal ? (2500 gave me way too much fat)
Thanks for your answer & taking your time for me !
Thanks for sharing these informations ^^ !
I'll keep them in mindLast edited by tong3; 04-10-2017 at 07:51 AM.
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04-11-2017, 03:40 AM #8
When I started 11 months ago I couldn't do 1 pull up, now I can do 10 muscle ups ... So being honest with you brother no matter how small progress is, it is STILL PROGRESS, and you should be proud of it! Working with your own body weight (push ups etc) as you noticed improved drastically, so maybe focus more on that as well?
About calories, I don't try to advice people on that, because that is tailored to an individual person and their lifestyle...
If you don't want to count calories etc, there is a way that I practiced as I was bulking on the beginning of my journey, you might be better off trying that brother...
Try like this: Eat 6 times a day with approx same time breaks between the meals, eat small meals (preferably chicken, rice, fish, rice, broc****) ... These 3 products have magical effect on our bodies... as long they are not fried hehe ... For breakfast have one day eggs, the other porridge with blueberries...
I know that sounds very linear and boring... but if you would try to stick just to that for at least 3 weeks and be consistent, you wouldn't recognise yourself in the mirror... I say it based on my experience, I know everyone is different, but why not trying that for a change bro? everything is worth trying to learn if it works for us or no ... apart from steroids, never touch that... its is made for people that compete to push themselves further than we can imagine...
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04-11-2017, 05:27 AM #9
I can do 2 pull up & 5 chin ups(I'm happy about that, back then I could never imagine lifting my own bodyweight, I always was last in sport lesson at school)
Muscle up not possible right now but it's one of my goal
I can try the way you suggested but 6 meals would be tought for my stomach which is very weak. I did tried on the past 6 meal but it was a total disaster & I ended up looking for a doctor since my stomach was bloated 24/24 with pain.
4 meals could work with calorie dense food for breakfast ?
it can sounds weird to say that but the way you speak gives me more motivation ! so thanks ^^
And I had a question, I do "Fierce 5" but since sports is the only thing I actually do in my day, I'm bored when I don't train. Could I put some calisthenics workout on rest day ?
Monday : Fierce 5, Tuesday : calistenics, Wednesday : Fierce 5, Thursday : Calistenics, Friday : Fierce 5, weekends : rest
So i could workout & try to reach the muscle up goal
Or it would be bad for recovery ?
Don't worry, I know musculation is a very linear thing, I just wish I didn't "wasted" 1 and half year with the mistakes & trial. Guess it can be helped it's done anyway. But yeah, I have this fear in mind sometimes: "what if the next year I still have no better shape ?"
I'm really impatient to get the reward someday ha ha maybe too much impatient.
I took a look at your pictures, damn impressives gains !
I wish I could have a body like yours even the one in the before picture lol
Damn no steroids, there is no ****in way I put a needle in my ass xD
That's the only thing I'm sure will never gonna happen even if it was the only way to make gainzLast edited by tong3; 04-11-2017 at 05:33 AM.
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04-11-2017, 06:25 AM #10
thats great brother! Happy to hear I can motivate you... I used to get motivated by Watching Steve Cook on youtube... it always helped me he is a bright soul, and if you want to be motivated on daily basis, you have to be surrounded by the ones that motivate you!
About breakfast, I think it is the most important meal in the day, if you eat right in the morning your whole day will get set in a good way
Hmm you know what, I am bored too when it comes to having days off, so on every day off, I am still on the gym, I do abs, I learn how to use other free weights, stretch and work on my flexibility... Trust me we should be doing that everyday, yet if we would, we would end up doing our exercises for over 3hours hehe.. so its good to actually work on these departments! try it brother, it might work for you
About thing you said @WASTED@ you didn't waste a single day out of this 1.5 year brother!... you learned about your body, you learned about the way it reacts to exercise, food, etc... So that isn't wasted time! in fact people that never did what you went through, are way behind! Fundamental part of fitness is nutrition! and you already got 1.5y of experience in this field so be happy!!
hahaha you made me laugh with this "before picture" lol... my before picture was great example on how to put lean mass on skinny person, most of us have great frames to carry weight, we just chose to gain weight in a very stupid way... For past year I learned how to do it clean and how to focus on feeding my muscle the right way... but thanks for the compliment bro
People take enhancers all over the world, some are in forms of pills, some are injections, I would highly discourage everyone to do it, as long they are not pro... Steroids were invented to save people lives, they are not bad thing, they are just badly abused by idiots thats my opinion hehe
The best way to make gains is FOOOD, stuff yourself with the right macros
If there is anything else I can help with just buzz me here or on pm bro
PEACE
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04-11-2017, 06:49 AM #11
Damn I should learn from your constant happiness ha ha
But you're right I shouldn't be too harsh on my 1.5year of trying ^^
I'm gonna add calisthenics in rest days.
I agree on enhancers, I think they should serve life saving purposes instead of destroying them. Didn't know steroids could save lifes tho
Internet really likes to show only the bad sides ^^
I'll try to post there when I will make progress !
My goal for the incoming month : going to 10 pull ups (damn it's gonna take times ha ha)
What do you think about this :
07 - 200g cottage cheese + 2 fruits
12 - carbs + meat + vegies
16 - 200g cottage cheese + 2 fruits
19 - carbs + meat + vegies
22 - carbs + meat + vegies
No snacking. I don't use to snack anyway so it's not tought or something.
No protein shake, this thing kills me lol
Can I lose fat with this (i mean even with cottage cheese) ?
Thanks for taking your time ! I'm bothering you again with more questions xDLast edited by tong3; 04-13-2017 at 12:20 AM.
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04-13-2017, 08:32 AM #12
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04-14-2017, 09:57 AM #13
What are your toughts on this meal plan ?
(portions control)
07 - a tea spoon of peanut butter + some bread + 200g cottage cheese + 20g muesli + 2 fruits
12 - carbs + meat + 1 egg + vegies + 1 tea spoon of olive oil
04 - carbs + meat + 1 egg +vegies + 1 tea spoon of olive oil
07 - carbs + meat + 1 egg + vegies + 1 tea spoon of olive oil
10 - carbs + meat + 1 egg +vegies + 1 tea spoon of olive oil
I want to take a lot calorie in the morning because I like to not force myself to eat for all other meals (my stomach does too)
I don't have that much money so meat is essentially chicken & carbs is pasta or rice in a moderate amount.
Does carbs at night can make you fat or it doesn't matter at all ?
I calculated a minimum of 2000kcal. I'll check my weight for a week & see how it goes.Last edited by tong3; 04-15-2017 at 02:13 AM.
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04-14-2017, 03:55 PM #14
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04-15-2017, 02:21 AM #15
I'm gonna go for that, I'm not a fan of counting calories, what do you think about my meal plan above guyz ?
Workouts, I always do them. Even when I was sick I tried not to do them but I felt so bad to not train so I trained (& it was a very bad idea xD).
Edit : I also noticed that I have very uneven sides and my friend noticed that while I was doing pull ups, it was really showing.
Is there anyway to fix that ?Last edited by tong3; 04-15-2017 at 12:06 PM.
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04-16-2017, 07:16 AM #16
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04-25-2017, 08:11 AM #17
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04-25-2017, 08:39 AM #18
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04-25-2017, 09:17 AM #19
I gain about 1kg in a week and a half.
I do make progress in terms of strenght. I feel pull ups a bit easier and gained a rep. Same for chin ups. I did make progress following fierce 5.
I'v been truly bulking at the begining of this month approximativly.
But when I look in the mirror, I see no progress. I see fat.
My belly is driving me crazy. It gets bigger & bigger... I don't understand why. I look like santa cross lol
It's soft. I feel abs only when I contract them.
Even If I can't get abs, at least no belly..
I do not necessarly expect to be hulk in very little time. But it's been a while I started all this journey and I'm going nowhere.Last edited by tong3; 04-25-2017 at 09:52 AM.
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04-29-2017, 02:07 PM #20
Huge progress made with chin ups. I was able to do 3 of them but it was very hard. Now I can do it 6 times & it's kinda easy.
Pull ups felt easier too but no reps increase.
I made progress on weight with other lift BUT.. Shoulders not progressing, I lost form now :/
And here is a picture of my body(took this morning)
What do you think I should do ? Continue bulking & gain fat (sadly :'( )Last edited by tong3; 04-29-2017 at 02:53 PM.
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04-29-2017, 03:25 PM #21
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You don't have anywhere to cut down too. Lower your calories slightly and try to gain 1kg/month.
You can't help the hopeless.
Fat Girl Gets Fit: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168690083&page=1
Best Gym lifts: 375/225/445
Best Meet lifts: 358/220.7/441,
Best Wilks=415 (Old Wilks)
Best Dots=429.01
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04-29-2017, 03:46 PM #22
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04-30-2017, 12:41 AM #23
But it doesn't
I follow fierce5 religiously ! Never missed one day
I just do some pull ups when rest days
You don't have anywhere to cut down too. Lower your calories slightly and try to gain 1kg/month.
I'll try to slow the weight gainzLast edited by tong3; 04-30-2017 at 10:47 AM.
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