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    Buy a head of cauliflower, cut/break into smaller florets. Put them into a blender and pulse until they're small and grain-like like rice. Profit.
    then you boil it or sautee?

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    then you boil it or sautee?

    Lowest weigh in this yeat, 66.6 3: )
    Sauté them. Congrats! Glad to see some progress. Hoping I'll move the scales as well when it's time to get up in a few.
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    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    Ye sure.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    Lol,

    Anyway, 169 on the dot this morning.
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    a good protein pancake/ waffle mix is 1 scoop protein, 1 egg, some baking powder, and water
    Originally Posted by IH8RICE View Post
    Mine calls for:
    1 Scoop whey
    1/2 cup egg whites
    Some baking powder
    1/2 tsp vanilla extract
    1/4 tsp cinnamon
    Spray

    After a little blending, it makes for some awesome tasting pancakes.

    Wat are the macros? Are they worth the effort?


    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    1.Its not suppose to be long term or sustainable
    2. You will not damage your metabolism by short term extreme diets
    3. A PSMF increases the size of the deficit which means more fat lost
    4. Jeff Nippard won a natty pro card and did a PSMF at the end of his prep https://www.instagram.com/jeffnippard/
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    Originally Posted by Hancock1994 View Post
    What did you weigh this morning? Did you go diet break over the weekend or did you Stay at 1900. I went diet break on sun and mon prior my beginning. The weight ensued over the next couple of days was satisfying and I dropped to a lower weight prior to what I was before my little break.
    I usually weigh myself in the evenings. For ****s and giggles I weighed myself last night, I was down a pound. Not counting it though. I usually weigh in fridays so that's what I'm going to continue to do.

    I had a small break Saturday. I ate some of the stuff I hadn't had in forever without going over maintenance.
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    Originally Posted by SeymourGains View Post
    Wat are the macros? Are they worth the effort?




    1.Its not suppose to be long term or sustainable
    2. You will not damage your metabolism by short term extreme diets
    3. A PSMF increases the size of the deficit which means more fat lost
    4. Jeff Nippard won a natty pro card and did a PSMF at the end of his prep https://www.instagram.com/jeffnippard/
    32.4g protein
    1.1g fat
    2.4g carbs
    164 calories

    Each batch I make is enough for two servings and I normally eat both with 4-8oz of fat free turkey sausage. I forgot to add 1/2 cup of fat free cottage cheese to the ingredient list.
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    Originally Posted by IH8RICE View Post
    32.4g protein
    1.1g fat
    2.4g carbs
    164 calories

    Each batch I make is enough for two servings and I normally eat both with 4-8oz of fat free turkey sausage. I forgot to add 1/2 cup of fat free cottage cheese to the ingredient list.
    Where did you find fat free sausage? ****. I'd eat the hell out of that.

    Breakfast was broc****, 1/2 lb of shrimp, 230g of egg whites and fat free mozzarella. Not feeling too bad. Definitely have the cravings for some carbs though haha.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    let them guinea pig it for us. they aren't hurting anyone
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    did a refeed yesterday, crazy how as soon as I start eating more carbs and closer to or slightly above maintenance my libido sky rockets and i start hitting up all the girls in my phone tryna smash lmao them fluctuating hormone levels hngggggg
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    This hungry yet not hungry feeling is almost infuriating... stomach is full but my body's like.... "brah... we need more than this!!"
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    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    Where did you find fat free sausage? ****. I'd eat the hell out of that.

    Breakfast was broc****, 1/2 lb of shrimp, 230g of egg whites and fat free mozzarella. Not feeling too bad. Definitely have the cravings for some carbs though haha.
    I made it. Grab a pound of 99% fat free turkey and combine it with some spices salt and pepper and you're golden. I'll find it and send it to you.

    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    This hungry yet not hungry feeling is almost infuriating... stomach is full but my body's like.... "brah... we need more than this!!"
    So many feels. Doesn't matter how big the meal is. A half hour later it feels like I ate nothing.
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    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    Where did you find fat free sausage? ****. I'd eat the hell out of that.

    Breakfast was broc****, 1/2 lb of shrimp, 230g of egg whites and fat free mozzarella. Not feeling too bad. Definitely have the cravings for some carbs though haha.
    start skipping breakfast bruh, it's way easier.

    After not eating until 1pm, it's easy mode for me, i am usually hungry in the mornings and if i eat, then i'm hungry all day.
    But if i don't eat, I stop being hungry And after training, my appetite vanishes. Then i eat loads of egg whites, chicken, vegs and prots in the evening hnnng.
    Gjdm, another transformation pic from last year.

    I'm starting to look lean af. I wonder what my parent's are gonna say after 2 weeks of not seeing me.

    It's still hard for me to fall asleep though. Maybe caffeine is affecting me more now
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    Originally Posted by IH8RICE View Post
    I made it. Grab a pound of 99% fat free turkey and combine it with some spices salt and pepper and you're golden. I'll find it and send it to you.



    So many feels. Doesn't matter how big the meal is. A half hour later it feels like I ate nothing.
    Much appreciated. Yesterday wasn't too bad, after I ate the half pound of turkey I felt full until the evening. Had to drink that double protein shake to get my protein up higher. I did note I had a little trouble sleeping last night. Nothing too bad but noticeable non the less. I also have a slight head ache as of right now but I'm downing water/bcaa

    I'm already thinking ahead to when I'm done. Can't decide on what to eat... thinking mashed potatoes and some spare ribs.

    Originally Posted by Pungiish View Post
    start skipping breakfast bruh, it's way easier.

    After not eating until 1pm, it's easy mode for me, i am usually hungry in the mornings and if i eat, then i'm hungry all day.
    But if i don't eat, I stop being hungry And after training, my appetite vanishes. Then i eat loads of egg whites, chicken, vegs and prots in the evening hnnng.
    Gjdm, another transformation pic from last year.

    I'm starting to look lean af. I wonder what my parent's are gonna say after 2 weeks of not seeing me.
    I can't do it. I'm not skipping breakfast. I would rather eat a gigantic breakfast and ride it out, then not eat until the afternoon. I just have to get something in my stomach when I wake up.
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    Originally Posted by Pungiish View Post
    start skipping breakfast bruh, it's way easier.

    After not eating until 1pm, it's easy mode for me, i am usually hungry in the mornings and if i eat, then i'm hungry all day.
    But if i don't eat, I stop being hungry And after training, my appetite vanishes. Then i eat loads of egg whites, chicken, vegs and prots in the evening hnnng.
    Gjdm, another transformation pic from last year.

    I'm starting to look lean af. I wonder what my parent's are gonna say after 2 weeks of not seeing me.
    I normally only make breakfast on my days off.during the work week I don't eat actual food until afternoon time. A couple of shakes during work and caffeine is all.

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    I'm already thinking ahead to when I'm done. Can't decide on what to eat... thinking mashed potatoes and some spare ribs.
    A porterhouse, loaded baked potato and asparagus for me. Don't know about the drink just yet.
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    PSMF is the GOAT way to cut, currently on day 8 and things have been going well

    However, I think I'm gonna start eating normally starting tomorrow again and was wondering how do you guys reverse out of this? Just hop on back to maintanance calories?

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    Originally Posted by SeymourGains View Post
    1.Its not suppose to be long term or sustainable
    2. You will not damage your metabolism by short term extreme diets
    3. A PSMF increases the size of the deficit which means more fat lost
    4. Jeff Nippard won a natty pro card and did a PSMF at the end of his prep https://www.instagram.com/jeffnippard/
    Is it an appropriate tool for an expirenced bodybuilder looking to get his pro card to use as the final steps of his prep? Sure - I won't argue with that. Dude is surely miles ahead of me in both practical and theoretical knowledge on the subject and is prepared to deal with the negatives and rebound.

    Is it appropriate for the average gym bro / miscer who hops on here looking for a "quick" way to cut? **** no.

    In addition to all the other stuff, you are messing with hormonal levels as evidenced by you guys complaining about libido drop. Why are you even in a rush? Are you seriously going to mess with your metabolism and hormonal levels so you can get abs for bitches on the beach this summer?

    Of course a big deficit is going to mean weight loss. Looks like protein is kept high so it will mostly be fat, but how are you 1-2 months after finishing "a cycle" of this? If you have done it a few times and manged to maintain the fat loss and not re-gain it then w/e ignore me and keep doing it as it obviously works for you.

    I'm just saying you guys are doing the worst part of a real contest prep (suffering the metabolism and hormonal drop) when you could achieve the same results in 2-3x the time with a more moderate cut without the downsides. What are you rushing for?

    Just tryin to warn the average bro that hops on and actually thinks this is even remotely a good idea. At least before trying it read up a bit about post-contest recovery / reverse dieting so you don't yo-yo immediately after.

    Heres a vid by Eric Helms talking about some of the challenges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dJdfzkixA
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    Is it an appropriate tool for an expirenced bodybuilder looking to get his pro card to use as the final steps of his prep? Sure - I won't argue with that. Dude is surely miles ahead of me in both practical and theoretical knowledge on the subject and is prepared to deal with the negatives and rebound.

    Is it appropriate for the average gym bro / miscer who hops on here looking for a "quick" way to cut? **** no.

    In addition to all the other stuff, you are messing with hormonal levels as evidenced by you guys complaining about libido drop. Why are you even in a rush? Are you seriously going to mess with your metabolism and hormonal levels so you can get abs for bitches on the beach this summer?

    Of course a big deficit is going to mean weight loss. Looks like protein is kept high so it will mostly be fat, but how are you 1-2 months after finishing "a cycle" of this? If you have done it a few times and manged to maintain the fat loss and not re-gain it then w/e ignore me and keep doing it as it obviously works for you.

    I'm just saying you guys are doing the worst part of a real contest prep (suffering the metabolism and hormonal drop) when you could achieve the same results in 2-3x the time with a more moderate cut without the downsides. What are you rushing for?

    Just tryin to warn the average bro that hops on and actually thinks this is even remotely a good idea. At least before trying it read up a bit about post-contest recovery / reverse dieting so you don't yo-yo immediately after.

    Heres a vid by Eric Helms talking about some of the challenges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dJdfzkixA
    Anyone considering this should read the book as it will answer any and all questions, as well as goes into reasoning for things and why you must do it as prescribed. If you have an eating disorder or unhealthy relationship with food, then you shouldn't be attempting this. You should be attempting this if you're strong willed and are able to follow this through to the end, then not gorge on food so you over eat.
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    Much appreciated. Yesterday wasn't too bad, after I ate the half pound of turkey I felt full until the evening. Had to drink that double protein shake to get my protein up higher. I did note I had a little trouble sleeping last night. Nothing too bad but noticeable non the less. I also have a slight head ache as of right now but I'm downing water/bcaa

    I'm already thinking ahead to when I'm done. Can't decide on what to eat... thinking mashed potatoes and some spare ribs.



    I can't do it. I'm not skipping breakfast. I would rather eat a gigantic breakfast and ride it out, then not eat until the afternoon. I just have to get something in my stomach when I wake up.
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food, not because they actually need it. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other daily challenges, otherwise, your fixation on food will drive you insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signals to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving to death in the beginning, but you're far, far, from that state.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other challenges otherwise, you'll fixate on food and go insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signal to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving in the beginning, but you're far, far, from it.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
    phuck that chit bro. But yea coffee/caffeine helps a bunch, especially with the whole "i have no energy and dont wanna move" feeling.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food, not because they actually need it. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other daily challenges, otherwise, your fixation on food will drive you insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signals to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving to death in the beginning, but you're far, far, from that state.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
    Maybe as time goes on I'll transition away from eating breakfast and hold out, but at this time I'm not doing it. I'm going to do what's comfortable for me and that's eating a big breakfast. It's my absolute favorite meal of the deal!
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    I doubt 5-6 days of this would cause me any harm.

    That being said, I find it lolworthy that most people trying this diet have no business doing it. But, you can't circumvent human nature (looking for shortcuts).

    I feel that most people may succeed on the diet, only to gain the weight back in a short period of time. But for me, it's used to circumvent having to diet for a long time to get rid of stubborn fat. I think this diet is perfect for that stubborn fat.
    what have you found the best way to reverse diet after PSMF to be?
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    Originally Posted by achillesbruh View Post
    what have you found the best way to reverse diet after PSMF to be?
    I want to know this too
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    I doubt 5-6 days of this would cause me any harm.

    That being said, I find it lolworthy that most people trying this diet have no business doing it. But, you can't circumvent human nature (looking for shortcuts).

    I feel that most people may succeed on the diet, only to gain the weight back in a short period of time. But for me, it's used to circumvent having to diet for a long time to get rid of stubborn fat. I think this diet is perfect for that stubborn fat.
    This is exactly why I decided to give it a try. I've been steadily losing but that little bit on my lower abs isn't doing anything at all. I'm running it exactly as explained in the book, for the time period recommended while taking all the supplements he recommends. I don't think anyone should be doing it who doesn't follow it the way it's recommended, but as Tug said: human nature is to take the shortcut regardless. I've been cutting for 6 weeks now, after bulking for over a year, so I have a good feel of my calories and how my body responds to it.
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    Maybe as time goes on I'll transition away from eating breakfast and hold out, but at this time I'm not doing it. I'm going to do what's comfortable for me and that's eating a big breakfast. It's my absolute favorite meal of the deal!
    Yes, yes I know all about the ordeal. After all, if this was easy everybody would be in shape. And the transition should come slowly. Otherwise, you'd change one direction as quickly as your changed the first.
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    phuck that chit bro. But yea coffee/caffeine helps a bunch, especially with the whole "i have no energy and dont wanna move" feeling.
    Its not bad as long as its used in moderation. When I was at the height of my fat loss I'd use a couple packs of the yellow stuff every other day when I was up and about.

    If you're able to workout first thing in the morning, you get to do your feeding window right after and the challenge is a lot easier. At this point I'm able to go 18 hours (workout included) without issue.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    stopped reading at "natural bodybuilders" fukin lol
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    Yes, yes I know all about the ordeal. After all, if this was easy everybody would be in shape. And the transition should come slowly. Otherwise, you'd change one direction as quickly as your changed the first.Its not bad as long as its used in moderation. When I was at the height of my fat loss I'd use a couple packs of the yellow stuff every other day when I was up and about.

    If you're able to workout first thing in the morning, you get to do your feeding window right after and the challenge is a lot easier. At this point I'm able to go 18 hours (workout included) without issue.
    It's better to workout afternoon/in the evening if i do if right? Sometimes i like going to the gym early but ik it's not really optimal
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