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    Originally Posted by Pungiish View Post
    start skipping breakfast bruh, it's way easier.

    After not eating until 1pm, it's easy mode for me, i am usually hungry in the mornings and if i eat, then i'm hungry all day.
    But if i don't eat, I stop being hungry And after training, my appetite vanishes. Then i eat loads of egg whites, chicken, vegs and prots in the evening hnnng.
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    I'm starting to look lean af. I wonder what my parent's are gonna say after 2 weeks of not seeing me.
    I normally only make breakfast on my days off.during the work week I don't eat actual food until afternoon time. A couple of shakes during work and caffeine is all.

    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    I'm already thinking ahead to when I'm done. Can't decide on what to eat... thinking mashed potatoes and some spare ribs.
    A porterhouse, loaded baked potato and asparagus for me. Don't know about the drink just yet.
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    PSMF is the GOAT way to cut, currently on day 8 and things have been going well

    However, I think I'm gonna start eating normally starting tomorrow again and was wondering how do you guys reverse out of this? Just hop on back to maintanance calories?

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    Originally Posted by SeymourGains View Post
    1.Its not suppose to be long term or sustainable
    2. You will not damage your metabolism by short term extreme diets
    3. A PSMF increases the size of the deficit which means more fat lost
    4. Jeff Nippard won a natty pro card and did a PSMF at the end of his prep https://www.instagram.com/jeffnippard/
    Is it an appropriate tool for an expirenced bodybuilder looking to get his pro card to use as the final steps of his prep? Sure - I won't argue with that. Dude is surely miles ahead of me in both practical and theoretical knowledge on the subject and is prepared to deal with the negatives and rebound.

    Is it appropriate for the average gym bro / miscer who hops on here looking for a "quick" way to cut? **** no.

    In addition to all the other stuff, you are messing with hormonal levels as evidenced by you guys complaining about libido drop. Why are you even in a rush? Are you seriously going to mess with your metabolism and hormonal levels so you can get abs for bitches on the beach this summer?

    Of course a big deficit is going to mean weight loss. Looks like protein is kept high so it will mostly be fat, but how are you 1-2 months after finishing "a cycle" of this? If you have done it a few times and manged to maintain the fat loss and not re-gain it then w/e ignore me and keep doing it as it obviously works for you.

    I'm just saying you guys are doing the worst part of a real contest prep (suffering the metabolism and hormonal drop) when you could achieve the same results in 2-3x the time with a more moderate cut without the downsides. What are you rushing for?

    Just tryin to warn the average bro that hops on and actually thinks this is even remotely a good idea. At least before trying it read up a bit about post-contest recovery / reverse dieting so you don't yo-yo immediately after.

    Heres a vid by Eric Helms talking about some of the challenges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dJdfzkixA
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Is it an appropriate tool for an expirenced bodybuilder looking to get his pro card to use as the final steps of his prep? Sure - I won't argue with that. Dude is surely miles ahead of me in both practical and theoretical knowledge on the subject and is prepared to deal with the negatives and rebound.

    Is it appropriate for the average gym bro / miscer who hops on here looking for a "quick" way to cut? **** no.

    In addition to all the other stuff, you are messing with hormonal levels as evidenced by you guys complaining about libido drop. Why are you even in a rush? Are you seriously going to mess with your metabolism and hormonal levels so you can get abs for bitches on the beach this summer?

    Of course a big deficit is going to mean weight loss. Looks like protein is kept high so it will mostly be fat, but how are you 1-2 months after finishing "a cycle" of this? If you have done it a few times and manged to maintain the fat loss and not re-gain it then w/e ignore me and keep doing it as it obviously works for you.

    I'm just saying you guys are doing the worst part of a real contest prep (suffering the metabolism and hormonal drop) when you could achieve the same results in 2-3x the time with a more moderate cut without the downsides. What are you rushing for?

    Just tryin to warn the average bro that hops on and actually thinks this is even remotely a good idea. At least before trying it read up a bit about post-contest recovery / reverse dieting so you don't yo-yo immediately after.

    Heres a vid by Eric Helms talking about some of the challenges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dJdfzkixA
    Anyone considering this should read the book as it will answer any and all questions, as well as goes into reasoning for things and why you must do it as prescribed. If you have an eating disorder or unhealthy relationship with food, then you shouldn't be attempting this. You should be attempting this if you're strong willed and are able to follow this through to the end, then not gorge on food so you over eat.
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    Originally Posted by Jammer02xd View Post
    Much appreciated. Yesterday wasn't too bad, after I ate the half pound of turkey I felt full until the evening. Had to drink that double protein shake to get my protein up higher. I did note I had a little trouble sleeping last night. Nothing too bad but noticeable non the less. I also have a slight head ache as of right now but I'm downing water/bcaa

    I'm already thinking ahead to when I'm done. Can't decide on what to eat... thinking mashed potatoes and some spare ribs.



    I can't do it. I'm not skipping breakfast. I would rather eat a gigantic breakfast and ride it out, then not eat until the afternoon. I just have to get something in my stomach when I wake up.
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food, not because they actually need it. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other daily challenges, otherwise, your fixation on food will drive you insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signals to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving to death in the beginning, but you're far, far, from that state.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other challenges otherwise, you'll fixate on food and go insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signal to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving in the beginning, but you're far, far, from it.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
    phuck that chit bro. But yea coffee/caffeine helps a bunch, especially with the whole "i have no energy and dont wanna move" feeling.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Is it an appropriate tool for an expirenced bodybuilder looking to get his pro card to use as the final steps of his prep? Sure - I won't argue with that. Dude is surely miles ahead of me in both practical and theoretical knowledge on the subject and is prepared to deal with the negatives and rebound.

    Is it appropriate for the average gym bro / miscer who hops on here looking for a "quick" way to cut? **** no.

    In addition to all the other stuff, you are messing with hormonal levels as evidenced by you guys complaining about libido drop. Why are you even in a rush? Are you seriously going to mess with your metabolism and hormonal levels so you can get abs for bitches on the beach this summer?

    Of course a big deficit is going to mean weight loss. Looks like protein is kept high so it will mostly be fat, but how are you 1-2 months after finishing "a cycle" of this? If you have done it a few times and manged to maintain the fat loss and not re-gain it then w/e ignore me and keep doing it as it obviously works for you.

    I'm just saying you guys are doing the worst part of a real contest prep (suffering the metabolism and hormonal drop) when you could achieve the same results in 2-3x the time with a more moderate cut without the downsides. What are you rushing for?

    Just tryin to warn the average bro that hops on and actually thinks this is even remotely a good idea. At least before trying it read up a bit about post-contest recovery / reverse dieting so you don't yo-yo immediately after.

    Heres a vid by Eric Helms talking about some of the challenges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dJdfzkixA
    I doubt 5-6 days of this would cause me any harm.

    That being said, I find it lolworthy that most people trying this diet have no business doing it. But, you can't circumvent human nature (looking for shortcuts).

    I feel that most people may succeed on the diet, only to gain the weight back in a short period of time. But for me, it's used to circumvent having to diet for a long time to get rid of stubborn fat. I think this diet is perfect for that stubborn fat.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food, not because they actually need it. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other daily challenges, otherwise, your fixation on food will drive you insane.

    That said, Intermittent fasting (IF) is real. The hunger you experience is all in you mind. Once you break the cycle of eating frequency, your body will stop sending signals to your brain telling you that its time to eat again. You may feel like you're starving to death in the beginning, but you're far, far, from that state.

    On more thing, coffee along with a calorie free sweetener also helps resolve your hunger as you transition away from your eating frequency.
    Maybe as time goes on I'll transition away from eating breakfast and hold out, but at this time I'm not doing it. I'm going to do what's comfortable for me and that's eating a big breakfast. It's my absolute favorite meal of the deal!
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    I doubt 5-6 days of this would cause me any harm.

    That being said, I find it lolworthy that most people trying this diet have no business doing it. But, you can't circumvent human nature (looking for shortcuts).

    I feel that most people may succeed on the diet, only to gain the weight back in a short period of time. But for me, it's used to circumvent having to diet for a long time to get rid of stubborn fat. I think this diet is perfect for that stubborn fat.
    what have you found the best way to reverse diet after PSMF to be?
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    what have you found the best way to reverse diet after PSMF to be?
    I want to know this too
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    I doubt 5-6 days of this would cause me any harm.

    That being said, I find it lolworthy that most people trying this diet have no business doing it. But, you can't circumvent human nature (looking for shortcuts).

    I feel that most people may succeed on the diet, only to gain the weight back in a short period of time. But for me, it's used to circumvent having to diet for a long time to get rid of stubborn fat. I think this diet is perfect for that stubborn fat.
    This is exactly why I decided to give it a try. I've been steadily losing but that little bit on my lower abs isn't doing anything at all. I'm running it exactly as explained in the book, for the time period recommended while taking all the supplements he recommends. I don't think anyone should be doing it who doesn't follow it the way it's recommended, but as Tug said: human nature is to take the shortcut regardless. I've been cutting for 6 weeks now, after bulking for over a year, so I have a good feel of my calories and how my body responds to it.
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    Maybe as time goes on I'll transition away from eating breakfast and hold out, but at this time I'm not doing it. I'm going to do what's comfortable for me and that's eating a big breakfast. It's my absolute favorite meal of the deal!
    Yes, yes I know all about the ordeal. After all, if this was easy everybody would be in shape. And the transition should come slowly. Otherwise, you'd change one direction as quickly as your changed the first.
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    phuck that chit bro. But yea coffee/caffeine helps a bunch, especially with the whole "i have no energy and dont wanna move" feeling.
    Its not bad as long as its used in moderation. When I was at the height of my fat loss I'd use a couple packs of the yellow stuff every other day when I was up and about.

    If you're able to workout first thing in the morning, you get to do your feeding window right after and the challenge is a lot easier. At this point I'm able to go 18 hours (workout included) without issue.
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    Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    You guys really think natural bodybuilders would do like 5 months of cutting prep for a show if this PSMF **** was in any way long term sustainable or beneficial?

    There are no shortcuts, all you guys are doing is glycogen and water depletion and screwing with your metabolism.
    stopped reading at "natural bodybuilders" fukin lol
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Yes, yes I know all about the ordeal. After all, if this was easy everybody would be in shape. And the transition should come slowly. Otherwise, you'd change one direction as quickly as your changed the first.Its not bad as long as its used in moderation. When I was at the height of my fat loss I'd use a couple packs of the yellow stuff every other day when I was up and about.

    If you're able to workout first thing in the morning, you get to do your feeding window right after and the challenge is a lot easier. At this point I'm able to go 18 hours (workout included) without issue.
    It's better to workout afternoon/in the evening if i do if right? Sometimes i like going to the gym early but ik it's not really optimal
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    Day 8 weighed 179. I droppped a little, I just want to hit maybe 176 or 175 by sat morning. Leg day yesterday felt great, no drop in strength just a drop in endurance.
    It was the third day lifting, I should consider it 4 cause Saturday's furniture hauling. By the end of Friday I will have lifted 5-6 times.
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    It's better to workout afternoon/in the evening if i do if right? Sometimes i like going to the gym early but ik it's not really optimal
    It's best to workout first thing in the morning. That's when your body is most primed to get 100% of the optimal fat burning mechanism and bio-utilization of nutrients post-workout.
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    Originally Posted by achillesbruh View Post
    what have you found the best way to reverse diet after PSMF to be?
    I know in the book they have a guideline.. but personally I do PSMF on 800ish calories, maintain my bodyweight at 2000. I think the fact that people "reverse diet" from an 11 day diet is hilarious. Just have a refeed with mostly whole foods (minimal sugar) and lowish fat. I had 3500 for two days after 5 days of psmf and all that happened was a regaining of glycogen. Measurements around the waist were still low.

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    It best to workout first thing in the morning. That's when your body is most primed to get 100% of the optimal fat burning mechanism and bio-utilization of nutrients post-workout
    As a guy living in a crowded city, 4AM workouts are the GOAT. the temperature is cool, no humidity, and no lines to wait for stuff. less idiots around too because they don't have the motivation to lift that early
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    I know in the book they have a guideline.. but personally I do PSMF on 800ish calories, maintain my bodyweight at 2000. I think the fact that people "reverse diet" from an 11 day diet is hilarious. Just have a refeed with mostly whole foods (minimal sugar) and lowish fat. I had 3500 for two days after 5 days of psmf and all that happened was a regaining of glycogen. Measurements around the waist were still low.



    As a guy living in a crowded city, 4AM workouts are the GOAT. the temperature is cool, no humidity, and no lines to wait for stuff. less idiots around too because they don't have the motivation to lift that early
    wow thats crazy because i think i maintain my weight at like 2000-2200 calories, i got a rmr and it said my true rmr was about 1880 calories or something.

    but yea i definitely agree with everyone saying working out first thing in the morning is best, i get into the gym at about 2:45 am and its beautiful, dont have to deal with bullchit or waiting for machines or anything. plus you definitely hit the weights harder since you just woke and your fully rested/ testosterone is highest its gonna be that day.
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    Day 1 for me. I used the psmf calculater and for my weight and measurement its recommending 267g of protonz. That seems excessive for me. Im thinking of just hitting 1 to 1.2 grams of protein per lb of weight. This way my calories are around 900 instead of 1350. What do you guys think?
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    Originally Posted by blueb7 View Post
    Day 1 for me. I used the psmf calculater and for my weight and measurement its recommending 267g of protonz. That seems excessive for me. Im thinking of just hitting 1 to 1.2 grams of protein per lb of weight. This way my calories are around 900 instead of 1350. What do you guys think?
    For you I think that would be good protein amount. It is possible to go to high on protein during a deficit, you don't want to start oxidizing it. During a bulk, I don't anyone would be consuming a protein to carb ratio that would enable protein oxidation.
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    Originally Posted by blueb7 View Post
    Day 1 for me. I used the psmf calculater and for my weight and measurement its recommending 267g of protonz. That seems excessive for me. Im thinking of just hitting 1 to 1.2 grams of protein per lb of weight. This way my calories are around 900 instead of 1350. What do you guys think?
    Sounds good to me. Should be able to get rid of a little more weight with the lower calories per day.
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    Would not recommend this diet if you:

    1. are depressed
    2. have poor discipline
    3. have a very mundane life
    4. are sedentary
    5. dont socialize
    6. are chasing PRs or trying to be strongman/powerlifter (obvs)
    7. can't plan your meals consistently

    Seriously, I did this a couple years ago when 1-5 were true. Felt like I wanted to shoot myself. As soon as I got back on a maintenance + a slight deficit I felt like a god.

    I would only do this again if I made money off my physique and fuked up my dieting, like for a photo shoot.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    It's best to workout first thing in the morning. That's when your body is most primed to get 100% of the optimal fat burning mechanism and bio-utilization of nutrients post-workout.
    Whaat. Thought that was bro science..
    So it's ok to not eat till like 5-7 pm after training at 6am?
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    Originally Posted by Pungiish View Post
    Whaat. Thought that was bro science..
    So it's ok to not eat till like 5-7 pm after training at 6am?
    It is. No difference than training fasted at any time of the day,
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I think if you keep talking about food you're going to make things significantly harder. People typically eat when they see (have access to) food, not because they actually need it. Recall the old adage: out of sight, out of mind. Occupy your brain with other daily challenges, otherwise, your fixation on food will drive you insane.
    This. Put me in a room with a breakfast buffet (esp. post workout), and I'm in serious trouble.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    I know in the book they have a guideline.. but personally I do PSMF on 800ish calories, maintain my bodyweight at 2000. I think the fact that people "reverse diet" from an 11 day diet is hilarious. Just have a refeed with mostly whole foods (minimal sugar) and lowish fat. I had 3500 for two days after 5 days of psmf and all that happened was a regaining of glycogen. Measurements around the waist were .
    That's nuts. I'm currently 172.4 (or was on Friday rather) and have been cutting on 1,900 calories for about 6 weeks now at a very steady rate of 1-1.5lbs a week. My maintenance is around 2,400 calories or somewhere about there. It took me over a year at 3,000+ to gain 25lbs.
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    Originally Posted by CaliSuperSport View Post
    Would not recommend this diet if you:

    1. are depressed
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    3. have a very mundane life
    4. are sedentary
    5. dont socialize
    6. are chasing PRs or trying to be strongman/powerlifter (obvs)
    7. can't plan your meals consistently

    Seriously, I did this a couple years ago when 1-5 were true. Felt like I wanted to shoot myself. As soon as I got back on a maintenance + a slight deficit I felt like a god.

    I would only do this again if I made money off my physique and fuked up my dieting, like for a photo shoot.
    This cannot be said enough.

    As I've stated before in threads such as these: diet can dramatically affect your mood and disposition. So be aware and do not attempt a radically change in diet unless the conditions around you are favorable.

    Dramatic diets are not for the faint of heart. Even better, having a support system to catch the subtle changes you may not.
    Originally Posted by Pungiish View Post
    Whaat. Thought that was bro science..
    So it's ok to not eat till like 5-7 pm after training at 6am?
    If you say so. But I wouldn't recommend anything I haven't tried myself. Do what you think is best for you.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    This cannot be said enough.

    As I've stated before in threads such as these: diet can dramatically affect your mood and disposition. So be aware and do not attempt a radically change in diet unless the conditions around you are favorable.

    Dramatic diets are not for the faint of heart. Even better, having a support system to catch the subtle changes you may not.If you say so. But I wouldn't recommend anything I haven't tried myself. Do what you think is best for you.
    I was just asking, 100% read that yes, you burn more fat if you train fasted, but it evens out compared to non fasted training. Like a study mrpb posted on nut section about how drinking a shake pre morning cardio is better than drinking/eating nothing.
    As i said, i was just asking, wasn't trying to imply you are wrong
    In fact, i am going to train in the mornings more frequently now because i like it better.

    Great! The one day I'd need to look good, and I'm not vascular at all. Veins are playing hide and seek -.' gonna lift and hope for them to stay after. Posting new progress pics today with a new haircut which i dont really like
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    This. Put me in a room with a breakfast buffet (esp. post workout), and I'm in serious trouble.
    Now how do I properly get out of this without gaining back all the fat?

    I was thinking about adding 1000 kcals daily to get back to around 4000 and then maintain over summer and then switch to lean bulk, thoughts?
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