Any brahs want to hop on PSMF with me? Lets get shredded srs

[Jacobcapra]

-literally not once did I say it's for those with no discipline, I said, and still claim, that a little slower cut is much better fit for most. Obviously damn near starving yourself takes discipline. quote:
''brb suffering on 800 cals a day instead of having the discipline to cut over a little longer period. just some stupid fad diet nobody can stick to for very long''. Nowhere did I say PSMF doesn't take discipline, it does, more than a traditional cut, in the short term. But nobody lifts short term. And GL sticking to this for long.
-BBers, most of them anyhow, don't use this, you're ridiculous if you believe serious competitors eat 400-1000 calories/day and only lift 2x a week because their diet doesn't allow for more. there's a reason most preps take weeks
-I claimed, and still do, obese people are unfit to stick to this, because it's too damn hard. Obviously the higher the deficit, the faster they'll lose weight.
-what even

185cm, ~78-81kg. It is a good amount of mass for a lean natty 20 year old, your misc/instagram standards don't bother me much, I know I look good IRL and when I compare myself to damn near anyone I see, it's not even close.

So you have a FFMI if anywhere from high 19’s to maybe 21. Which is average to above average.

Meanwhile I have an FFMI of 22.7.... please tell me more about your superior physique and how I don’t know about dieting??

And let’s not even talk about strength lmao

[katya422]

-I claimed, and still do, obese people are unfit to stick to this, because it's too damn hard. Obviously the higher the deficit, the faster they'll lose weight.

It is a form of Very Low Calorie Diet. VLCDs were developed specifically for obese people.

http://clinicalnutrition.ucla.edu/vlcd

Eighty five percent of patients successfully achieved their weight loss goals, and three years later sixty percent of them had maintained all or most of their lost weight.

[ZZdenka]

what's the latest you take caffeine or fat burner?

Before going to the gym, around 3:30pm. So it should not have an effect.
For today I only took a fat burner before 2pm and got a coffee without caffeine. Now it is midnight and here I am, checking BB forum. I guess I will just have to suck it up. Could be worse, at least I am not hungry

[WorldClassDBag]

People are still doing this diet? Props to you guys. I couldn't do it past 2 weeks

[nosirrahx]

originally started responding when I saw posts on godknowswhich page of bros putting down bros over ''lmao you're not even in ketosis'' with the undertone that their cut is then just a regular cut, when responding to posts saying they ate 1200-1600 calories/day, got rustled over lack of common sense because of this since caloric deficit=95% of fat loss, and because everyone was surprised a large ass calorie deficit resulted in rapid fat loss, proclaiming it like they found something groundbreaking, when it's beyond obvious. then got called out with some ridiculous statements.

Ketosis is the only way I can be in a massive deficit and still crush it at the gym. Just going low calories makes me hungry and angry all the time. Keto and IF is way easier, if you have the discipline to get over the hump. That first week is hell but after that it was kind of easy.

I was in the "a calorie is a calorie" camp until I tired something else. The only part I didn't like was the 0 pump, that kind of sucked but whatever, I lost more than 40 lbs in 10 weeks.

[arn710]

-literally not once did I say it's for those with no discipline, I said, and still claim, that a little slower cut is much better fit for most. Obviously damn near starving yourself takes discipline. quote:
''brb suffering on 800 cals a day instead of having the discipline to cut over a little longer period. just some stupid fad diet nobody can stick to for very long''. Nowhere did I say PSMF doesn't take discipline, it does, more than a traditional cut, in the short term. But nobody lifts short term. And GL sticking to this for long. the bro equivalent of a fat chick going on a pickle and tuna diet, works, is hard, isn't anything near optimal.
-BBers, most of them anyhow, don't use this, you're ridiculous if you believe serious competitors eat 400-1000 calories/day and only lift 2x a week because their diet doesn't allow for more. there's a reason most preps take weeks
-I claimed, and still do, obese people are unfit to stick to this, because it's too damn hard. Obviously the higher the deficit, the faster they'll lose weight.
-what even

I agree with all of this FWIW

So you have a FFMI if anywhere from high 19’s to maybe 21. Which is average to above average.

Meanwhile I have an FFMI of 22.7.... please tell me more about your superior physique and how I don’t know about dieting??

And let’s not even talk about strength lmao

My FFMI is much higher than yours so I guess we win then

I'm not trying to be an ass here man but you really don't seem to know much about dieting from what I have read

Maybe everyone can just take a breather and get back to helping each other.

[WorldClassDBag]

So you have a FFMI if anywhere from high 19’s to maybe 21. Which is average to above average.

Meanwhile I have an FFMI of 22.7.... please tell me more about your superior physique and how I don’t know about dieting??

And let’s not even talk about strength lmao

well mine's 24.75 do i win?

[Jacobcapra]

well mine's 24.75 do i win?

Damn son, stats?

That’s pretty much maxed out natty

[WorldClassDBag]

Damn son, stats?

That’s pretty much maxed out natty

Lol it's only because my body fat is pretty high
5'6, 180lbs, 15%

But if you plug in my stats from when I was lean from wrestling 165lbs, 10ish% bf it gives me like 23.75

[Brozef]

People are still doing this diet? Props to you guys. I couldn't do it past 2 weeks

I thought it wasn't to tough.

Only reason I gave up was because I had a hell of a time pooping. Was like chitting gravel when I could. Turns out my body really needs fats for proper digestion (bile trigger).

Eating more fiber literally didn't do chit.

[Jacobcapra]

Lol it's only because my body fat is pretty high
5'6, 180lbs, 15%

But if you plug in my stats from when I was lean from wrestling 165lbs, 10ish% bf it gives me like 23.75

W0t 5'6" and 180 lb. at 15%? That's ridiculous, I'm 5'9" 180 lb. and 18% you must be ****ing joocy

[WorldClassDBag]

W0t 5'6" and 180 lb. at 15%? That's ridiculous, I'm 5'9" 180 lb. and 18% you must be ****ing joocy

might be underestimating my bf a bit since I don't hold that much fat in my midsection. my legs, ass and arms are where I hold alot of my fat. I'm might be around 17-18% if I'm pushing it

[Jacobcapra]

might be underestimating my bf a bit since I don't hold that much fat in my midsection. my legs, ass and arms are where I hold alot of my fat. I'm might be around 17-18% if I'm pushing it

Still if you're <20% at that weight and height u be aight, myron

[ZZdenka]

Good morning from Europe, guys!

Starting day 4, so I am leaving stats...
Yesterday, I did my weightlifting and a little bit of cardio, it went well Also, I slept almost like a normal human being today.

Height: 163 cm/5'3
SW: 74 kg
Day 2 morning: 72.3 kg
Day 3 morning: 72.1 kg
Day 4 morning: 71.8 kg

--------> 2.2 kg (4.9 lbs) down so far

Yaaaay

[DeusExTerra]

Ended up having a Chipotle burrito and chips for lunch yesterday but ready to kick back into high gear starting today. will do another five days and have a sunday cheat meal, then 5 more days leading up to St. Patty's day. Come at me brah!!

I dropped 10 lbs in my first five day stint on this. Obvs a lot of water but a decent amount of fat too. Even after myweekend binge, skin feels way tighter.

[ZZdenka]

Ended up having a Chipotle burrito and chips for lunch yesterday but ready to kick back into high gear starting today. will do another five days and have a sunday cheat meal, then 5 more days leading up to St. Patty's day. Come at me brah!!

I dropped 10 lbs in my first five day stint on this. Obvs a lot of water but a decent amount of fat too. Even after myweekend binge, skin feels way tighter.

Hahaha, good job. I had a dream about burrito this night. So it is deffinitely going in for my Sunday cheat/refeed

[Pigler]

So you have a FFMI if anywhere from high 19’s to maybe 21. Which is average to above average.

Meanwhile I have an FFMI of 22.7.... please tell me more about your superior physique and how I don’t know about dieting??

And let’s not even talk about strength lmao

people still try to describe aesthetics/physiques with actual numbers?

''oh no im not gonna fuk him, his FFMI is below 23, and he weighs less than 90kg''. just go.

[Jax05]

Before going to the gym, around 3:30pm. So it should not have an effect.
For today I only took a fat burner before 2pm and got a coffee without caffeine. Now it is midnight and here I am, checking BB forum. I guess I will just have to suck it up. Could be worse, at least I am not hungry

Try not taking it any of it after 12pm or so.

Few years ago I had similar problems with sleeping, but I was chugging at least one energy drink every day. I started to cut that out and stopped taking fat burners past 2pm.

[ZZdenka]

Try not taking it any of it after 12pm or so.

Few years ago I had similar problems with sleeping, but I was chugging at least one energy drink every day. I started to cut that out and stopped taking fat burners past 2pm.

Thanks Jax

[Jacobcapra]

Try not taking it any of it after 12pm or so.

Few years ago I had similar problems with sleeping, but I was chugging at least one energy drink every day. I started to cut that out and stopped taking fat burners past 2pm.

What is in a fat burner that keeps you up? Don't know chit about them, figured they were kinda bs tbh, like natural T boosters and whatnot. But I have read about thermogenics that try to do what an EC stack does, like yohimbe and synephrine (in Lyle's handbook of course, lol). I'm guessing that's what is in a fat burner?

[Zuggie]

Any brahs have a grocery list for the program? Will rep for assistance

[Beerculez]

Ketosis is the only way I can be in a massive deficit and still crush it at the gym. Just going low calories makes me hungry and angry all the time. Keto and IF is way easier, if you have the discipline to get over the hump. That first week is hell but after that it was kind of easy.

I was in the "a calorie is a calorie" camp until I tired something else. The only part I didn't like was the 0 pump, that kind of sucked but whatever, I lost more than 40 lbs in 10 weeks.

How long does it take to get into ketosis? I've also heard 50g carbs cited as sort of the upper threshold for staying in ketosis, that sound about right?

[Xinroth]

if you think this rustles me, think again, son



why is it always boyos that have hardly any mass on me that talk the most ****? never see the true aesthetic mofos act smart because they know what progress looks like. if it's an old pic, I welcome newer ones. 7 years older, should easily blow me out the fukking water right now.

Man, please post here because you look like chit and anyone with any sort of mass at 25% will still look better than you.

You have the body of a 17 year old kid that does pushups and situps everyday for 'aesthetics'.. just stop.

[ZZdenka]

What is in a fat burner that keeps you up? Don't know chit about them, figured they were kinda bs tbh, like natural T boosters and whatnot. But I have read about thermogenics that try to do what an EC stack does, like yohimbe and synephrine (in Lyle's handbook of course, lol). I'm guessing that's what is in a fat burner?

EC is not legal in my country . The one I take right now is without synephrine and has a strong thermogenic effect I can feel (probable because all that pepper extracts inside ). However, after I finish the bottle I am going back to the one I used before with synephrine.

I had no issues with sleeping before so it might be the bigger deficit or a various other factors I haven´t thought of and might not have a connection whatsoever. So I will see.

[ZZdenka]

How long does it take to get into ketosis? I've also heard 50g carbs cited as sort of the upper threshold for staying in ketosis, that sound about right?

When I tested it before, it took me a day or two with zero carbs and a huge depletion workout with cardio (ketosis confirmed with sticks you pee on). But I am a small girl so for anyone bigger with bigger amount of glycogen etc might take longer.

Also the amount of carbs that kick you out of it vary. I haven´t tested that and managed to stay around 20 g max per day but some people take some carbs (even 40g from what I´ve heard) before workout and still manage to stay in ketosis anyway. You should test it on yourself and see what works for you

[ZZdenka]

Any brahs have a grocery list for the program? Will rep for assistance

Well, not so many options here.

Lean protein and some low carb (=green) veggie (such as a lettuce, cucumber etc.), if you have to.
Multivitamin and omega 3 (very important!)

Trying to eat as little calories as possible while getting enough protein.
So for me it is chicken and rapunzel and super low fat cheese on top (less than a gram of fat per 100g).

Did you read the book?

[Jacobcapra]

How long does it take to get into ketosis? I've also heard 50g carbs cited as sort of the upper threshold for staying in ketosis, that sound about right?

It took me like 3-4 days to get in ketosis when I first started the diet (also checked with sticks). During the diet, after my refeeds I would get back to ketosis in like 1 day though. I didn't check with sticks, but you can sort of tell because you stop feeling so sluggish and your mouth and breath taste and smell kinda weird.

[Jacobcapra]

Any brahs have a grocery list for the program? Will rep for assistance

Egg whites
Canned tuna
Tuna creation packs (flavored tuna basically)
98% lean ground turkey
shrimp
cod/tilapia
Tuna steaks
hand-trimmed chicken breast
spicy dill pickles
cucumber
broc****
spinach
celery
grape tomatoes
white onion
low-carb whey isolate
bone broth ---> this chit is goat. 10g protein no fat no carbs and tastes pretty good
fat-free cheese
0 calorie non-stick spray
stevia (for coffee)
mustard
sugar-free ketchup


This is what my diet consisted of mostly, on top of a multi, 6g of omega-3, potassium, magnesium, and calcium supps. I had to get creative and found/made some very good recipes in my opinion. If you're interested I can share.

[arn710]

How long does it take to get into ketosis? I've also heard 50g carbs cited as sort of the upper threshold for staying in ketosis, that sound about right?

Can vary by quite a bit depending on a few different factors. I doubt you'd be able to stay in ketosis with 50g of carbs per day.

I'm not really sure why you're worried about ketosis anyway. Nothing magical happens when you're in ketosis and PSMF is not a ketogenic diet anyway

When I tested it before, it took me a day or two with zero carbs and a huge depletion workout with cardio (ketosis confirmed with sticks you pee on). But I am a small girl so for anyone bigger with bigger amount of glycogen etc might take longer.

Also the amount of carbs that kick you out of it vary. I haven´t tested that and managed to stay around 20 g max per day but some people take some carbs (even 40g from what I´ve heard) before workout and still manage to stay in ketosis anyway. You should test it on yourself and see what works for you

That's a very short amount of time. Was this in between spurts of PSMF? How much of a carb up did you do before that? How much experience did you have with ketogenic type diets? Approximate BF%?

[ZZdenka]

That's a very short amount of time. Was this in between spurts of PSMF? How much of a carb up did you do before that? How much experience did you have with ketogenic type diets? Approximate BF%?

Yeah, I was surprised it went so smoothly. You have good questions!
I am doing PSMF first time now. Did not have much experience with ketosis when I first tried but I read a ton of articles about it and since I love more meat and veggies, avocados, nuts than rice or potatoes etc... it sure did sound like a perfect kind of a diet for me so I gave it a try
Can´t tell you how much carb or BF I had before as I don´t really remember. My estimate on what I ate - cca 150g of carbs and BF perhaps 30%? I am sure that all things combined (short female, preference of proteins and fat and a long depletion workout) helped to speed the process.